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Fuzzyface, 22-05-00, (1)
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Marie, 22-05-00, (2)
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Kevin Ng, 22-05-00, (3)
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Ella, 22-05-00, (5)
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Fuzzyface, 22-05-00, (6)
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Phil Belfield, 23-05-00, (11)
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Bruce M, 22-05-00, (7)
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alison, 22-05-00, (4)
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Lynette H, 23-05-00, (8)
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eugene merrett, 23-05-00, (9)
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alison, 23-05-00, (10)
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Anna, 24-05-00, (12)
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Bruce M, 24-05-00, (13)
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eugene merrett, 25-05-00, (14)
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alison, 26-05-00, (15)
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eugene , 26-05-00, (16)
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grace, 27-05-00, (17)
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Karen, 28-05-00, (18)
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EUGENE, 28-05-00, (19)
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Fuzzyface   |
22-05-00, 11:51 AM (GMT)
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1. "RE: For comments on RB 2000/2001 Season deatils" |
For those interested, the casts in Swan Lake are:
Bussell/Bolle, Yoshida/Acosta, Rojo/Kobborg, Guillem/Cope, Bull/Urlezage, Yanowsky/Cope, Benjamin/Sansom.Guillem does all the M&A's with Le Riche or Cope. New Corder will be Busell/Cope, Benjamin/Kobborg. Shadowplay will be Acosta, Putrov, Watson Ondine's cast is Wildor/Cope, Yoshida/Sansom, Rojo/Urlezaga.
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Marie |
22-05-00, 12:29 PM (GMT)
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2. "RE: For comments on RB 2000/2001 Season deatils" |
Guillem will also do Romeo and Juliet with Le Riche.
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Kevin Ng |
22-05-00, 12:34 PM (GMT)
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3. "RE: For comments on RB 2000/2001 Season deatils" |
LAST EDITED ON 22-May-00 AT 05:15 PM (GMT)Yes, that's what I heard in Paris last month, that Le Riche will dance in the MacMillan "Romeo and Juliet" with Guillem.
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Ella |
22-05-00, 02:07 PM (GMT)
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5. "RE: For comments on RB 2000/2001 Season deatils" |
Does this mean that Durante is definitely out for the whole season ?
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Fuzzyface |
22-05-00, 02:16 PM (GMT)
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6. "RE: For comments on RB 2000/2001 Season deatils" |
Durante is listed as a guest artist for the season, but it looks like she isn't scheduled to perform in the autumn period. R&J comes back into the repertoire in the new year. Bolle, Mukhamedov, & Stiefel are also listed as guest artists, but Corella isn't.There will also be a 2 week season in the summer promoted by the Hochausers.
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Phil Belfield |
23-05-00, 01:02 PM (GMT)
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11. "RE: For comments on RB 2000/2001 Season deatils" |
Isn't Viviana doing CARMEN for Kumakawa's K-Company in Japan (the Roland Petit version - currently rehearsing in London) ??
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Bruce M  |
22-05-00, 09:09 PM (GMT)
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7. "RE: For comments on RB 2000/2001 Season deatils" |
It's what she wanted I think...
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alison |
22-05-00, 01:10 PM (GMT)
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4. "RE: For comments on RB 2000/2001 Season deatils" |
Ballet prices *look* to be better, although I think I'll reserve judgement until I find out precisely where the £8 "mid-price range" seats are. I find it slightly worrying that there's still a big jump between them and the next price up, and wonder if the £8 ones will turn out to be right at the back of the amphitheatre, rather than row L upwards.
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Lynette H |
23-05-00, 09:15 AM (GMT)
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8. "RE: Price Increases in 2000/2001 season !" |
The ROH’s announcement included the following on prices:• In order to better reflect the sight-lines and seat-characteristics in particular in the Stalls Circle, Balcony and Amphitheatre a large number of seats throughout the main auditorium have been reclassified into new price bands.
• To offer a greater range of choice of prices, particularly at the mid and lower prices in the Stalls Circle, Balcony and Amphitheatre a number of new price breaks have been created. Lower prices have been introduced in these areas.
• The price of tickets in the Stalls Circle and Amphitheatre and Balcony Boxes has been reduced. For premium operas, the seats in the Stalls Circle and Amphitheatre will be reduced in price by up to 54%. The cost of the top price tickets for Premium Opera has been held at 1999/2000 levels. You would think, from that, wouldn’t you that this was all good news ? Well only up to a point. A very small point. What they don’t tell you is that many prices - in areas like the amphi where there are a large number of seats - have been subject to some staggering increases. The ticket prices for a three act ballet this season (Coppelia) and a three act ballet next season (Swan Lake) for Mon - Thurs evenings have changed as follows (prices in pounds) Stalls / Grand Tier : was 60, now 63 (not so big an increase) Balcony Centre : was 40, now 57 (yes, you read that correctly ) Stalls Circle B/C: was 30, now 38 - 57 Amphi front row & lower slips: was 20, now 38 (front row centre), 22 (slips) Amphi centre: was 30, now 38 (rows A - H) , 22 (J-R) Amphi Rear : was 20, now 22 or 11 at the very back. I should say that some of the seats with very poor or no views (e.g. row B right by the stage) have been reduced, and the upper slips / amphi side standing have been reduced from 6 to 3 (though some of us remember they used to be 2 not so long ago). Overall, I’m just gobsmacked. How can they possibly justify this level of increases ?
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eugene merrett |
23-05-00, 11:46 AM (GMT)
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9. "RE: Price Increases in 2000/2001 season !" |
I think I would like to see an overall revenue data or wieghted average seat price to pass judgement.But it comes as no surprise that front of the amphtitheatre has gone up - £20 was the bargain of all ballet! Maybe there will come a time when all seats will have its own unique price based on sight lines and view from the the stage - rather like hotel rooms do. I splurge out for £47 to get a back of the stall seat for Ashton. Given the view I got it seems a nonsense that I had to pay the same price as a punter in the middle of the stalls - it was forced on me because of the cancellation of my original date. I think unique seat pricing is feasable for internet bookings but will run into problems for telephone bookings. But there will be a time when telephone bookings become obsolete (or will require a huge premium for personal service).
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alison |
23-05-00, 12:47 PM (GMT)
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10. "RE: Price Increases in 2000/2001 season !" |
It sounds as though you've confirmed my worst fears, Lynette. Row L backwards in the amphi used to be about £12 before the House closed.
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Anna |
24-05-00, 02:15 PM (GMT)
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12. "RE: Price Increases in 2000/2001 season !" |
I too was rather shocked. I noticed the £40 - £57 price increase in the balcony centre. It's a complete con that this is a fairer system. The best seats in the balcony should have been left at the same level and the remaining seat prices should have been decreased accordingly. That would have been fairer.
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Bruce M |
24-05-00, 09:06 PM (GMT)
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13. "RE: Price Increases in 2000/2001 season !" |
>I too was rather shocked. I
>noticed the £40 - £57 price
>increase in the balcony centre.
>It's a complete con that this
>is a fairer system. The
>best seats in the balcony should
>have been left at the
>same level and the remaining seat
>prices should have been decreased accordingly.
> That would have been fairer.
>
But who would have made up the lost revenue?! Sadly there is no fairy Godmother out there with a bag of fresh new money...
I don't want to pay more either but this is a case of adjusting prices in which there are winners and losers. The problem with the prices in this current season is that the expensive seats were made cheaper and the least expensive, restricted view seats particularly, were much more expensive then was the case pre-closure. The people most effected by this were those who used the cheaper seats, many of whom found they were missing performances for lack of money. By and large those paying £40-£50 a seat are not so effected - or I, for one, find it hard to believe that as a group they are impacted as much as those who use the cheaper seats. I'm sure that there are individual cases of £50 a seat hardship but its not really the same. Overall ballet seat prices have gone up in real terms. This must have been a policy decision taken at the highest levels and presumably based on a feeling that ballet prices were too cheap compared to Opera. Regardless of the rights or wrongs I doubt that this new overall balance will be changed for a while - they will want to see how it runs a bit more. A narrowing in prices has once major advantage I think - it means that the Opera House will have less of a predisposition to giving opera performances because it makes more money from them.
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eugene merrett |
25-05-00, 04:50 PM (GMT)
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14. "RE: Price Increases in 2000/2001 season !" |
Perhaps there should be larger increase in ticket prices for the stalls etc and correspondingly cheaper seats for everyone else. This could argued as a form of tax on the wealthier patrons to allow greater accessability to the not so well off. Call it Super seats and throw in a glass of champagne or other bauble!When it comes to pricing there is a lot of arbitrary decision making (or perhaps subjective judgement calls that need to be made). But I am still not clear exactly what are the prices of seats in the mid-amphi areas - that should be a good indication of any price increase. I do not think that focusing in on marginal seats is a very suitable method of analysis. I personally think that the future of seat pricing is unique seat prices. The further you go back the less you pay - a decrease in perhaps £1 per row in the stalls and say 50p per row in other areas. That WILL come eventually when the cost of electronic transactions falls furhter and furhter and box office bookings decline. I also look forward to the time when you can actually choose your seats from a seat map which shows occupied and unoccupied seats. You can do this on United Airlines if you book on line. This will come to theatre soon! Personally I welcome the day when there is no box office (except day seats only) and no human interaction when booking seats (like in banking today). It is the future and there will be big cost savings to made and that must be good thing!
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alison |
26-05-00, 01:01 PM (GMT)
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15. "RE: Price Increases in 2000/2001 season !" |
>Perhaps there should be larger increase in
>ticket prices for the stalls etc
>and correspondingly cheaper seats for everyone
>else. This could argued as
>a form of tax on the
>wealthier patrons to allow greater accessability
>to the not so well off.
>Call it Super seats and throw
>in a glass of champagne or
>other bauble! You'd have thought so, wouldn't you, especially for those stalls seats which now have a better view owing to improved raking. But what did they do when they reopened? Knocked off about £10 on the price of stalls/Grand Tier tickets, and made up the difference by adding it to the rear and restricted-view amphitheatre tickets.
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eugene |
26-05-00, 02:32 PM (GMT)
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16. "RE: Price Increases in 2000/2001 season !" |
As equitable as increasing the top seats is the major flaw is that it is bad PR. The press will only focus on the highest price. This is what they did with opera. The press whenever mentioning ticket prices always kept say "prices as high as £250". This was grossly misleading but it makes for a better eye-catching story. They will do the same for ballet making a well meaning move into a PR disaster. On a slightly different tack - it is incredible how the press have now attacked the dome with the same vociferousness as the ROH (except the Mirror- no surprise). Of cousre they have some justification because the dome took 4 times more lottery money then the ROH and will last only a year (if that).
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grace |
27-05-00, 11:01 AM (GMT)
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17. "RE: Price Increases in 2000/2001 season !" |
i have read all this - really i have...and i STILL can't see how the facts as presented by lynette (thank you so much for the detailed 'real' info!) can be tied together with THIS PR statement: "The price of tickets in the Stalls Circle and Amphitheatre and Balcony Boxes has been reduced." ! can someone explain that to me? am i just being really dense? also, eugene, thank you very much for your glimpse of ticketing in the future: i'd never thought of that sort of thing...but now i can imagine it easily, thanks to you. (p.s. sorry i seem to have caused your great-fun Fille thread to nosedive out of action!) 
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Karen |
28-05-00, 04:29 PM (GMT)
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18. "RE: Price Increases in 2000/2001 season !" |
There must be far more independently wealthy people in Britain that having lived in London for 13 years has led me to expect! The opera and ballet prices are so outrageous that one wonders what they are thinking. The ROH boards must have been in cahoots with that of ABT: who needs to ensure that young students will ever be able to afford to attend performances - after all, the opera and ballet may not be in existence in 10 years when these same students will be the CEOs of major corporations and have real money to spend - so why build up an audience for the future. Secondly, I know full well that average wages in New York are higher than in London, but the seat pricing here is much lower in comparison - and we don't have government contributions or a lottery either! Right now ABT is in full flight (yes, of swans - so, Eugene, where are your comments?) at the Met. Prices range from $15 (Family Circle boxes) - from which one has a somewhat limited and precipitous view of the stage even in the front row; $20 (Family Circle centre and ALL standing room) up to $75 for the Orchestra (stalls, to you). There may be higher pricing for the Parterre Boxes, but I seldom pay attention to that - sorry. Furthermore, there are over 3,000 seats at the Met. Opera pricing is higher than this, but there is something for everyone. Nevertheless, there is outrage here over the high price for standing room - and for the fact that even Family Circle Standing (all the way at the top - REALLY "the Gods") is the same as at the back of the Orchestra. Of course, to be honest, one of the reasons they did this was because many, many people buy standing room tickets and then go and sit down (there are often a lot of empty seats for ABT), and the management wish to discourage this evil practice. I think one of the problems is desiring to cater to the corporate sponsors. That is what happened here with sports events - the prices went out of control as did availability of seating.
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EUGENE |
28-05-00, 05:26 PM (GMT)
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19. "RE: Price Increases in 2000/2001 season !" |
Here are the prices for the ROH next season for Swan Lake (weekend prices in brackets)Orchestra or stalls £63 (53)
Stall circle 57 (48)
Balconey (equivelent to 2nd tier/ring) 38 (35)
Front part of amphi (equiv to 3 tier/ring) 38 (35)
Mid amphitheatre 22 (20)
Rear ampitheatre row s-w 11 (8) Deduct about 3-5 for the triple bill. These prices might shock our friends in New York but it should be argued that ROH is much smaller. In fact I am being harsh on the ROH when it give the equivalent seating area in New York. The rings in New York State Theatre are much further back. I would rate ROH balcony to be equivalent to second ring. The Rear amhitheatre equal to 4 ring (row c onwards). I think that the prices at the ABT are absurd given the huge barn they perform in!
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