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Jim

06-10-00, 07:23 AM (GMT)
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"ballet.co Poll Fraud Exposed"
 
   It has been suggested to me (by Caz - Ooooops!) that the current ballet.co poll (relating to the frequency of visits to the site) has exposed the fraudulent and biased nature of the polls. As a Fellow of the Royal Statistical Society, I felt an obligation to investigate the verisimilitude of this serious allegation.

Voters who claim to visit the site daily should have all been registered on the first day the poll went up, and there ought to be no subsequent registrations in this category after the first day. Likewise, after a week, the only new registrations should be in categories of less than a week. However, this is patently not the case. New registrations in all categories are appearing the longer the poll is available.

How much credence can be placed, therefore, in previous polls? To what extent have the polls been biased by, for example, mutliple hits for "favourite ballerina", and the like? I feel that there might be no alternative to report this revelation to OFFBALL, the watchdog for ballet internet sites.


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  RE: ballet.co Poll Fraud Exposed Bruce Madmin 06-10-00 1
     RE: ballet.co Poll Fraud Exposed - the next poll? Jim 06-10-00 2
         RE: ballet.co Poll Fraud Exposed - the next poll? cf 06-10-00 3

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Bruce Madmin

06-10-00, 09:39 AM (GMT)
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1. "RE: ballet.co Poll Fraud Exposed"
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   Gulp!

We await the OFFBALL committee visit with both trepidation and interest! Our Barristers - Throbknuckle Hoskiss Burke - have been instructed accordingly and are preparing the excuses defence.

While we have never made serious claims about the accuracy of Mini-polls I think I have only detected serious abuse once and, perhaps surprisingly, that was not one or two people seeking to vote repeatedly but rather an orchestrated campaign of many people voting once each.

The results we see this time are also explicable in terms of Internet growth and the hurley burley of life. For example if somebody is normally a daily visitor but goes on holiday for 2 weeks when they come back they might well vote that they visit daily - that would be the right thing to do. We also pick up many new, and regular visitors each week. So 2 weeks into the poll somebody stumbles across the site for the first time, starts visiting us twice a day and then votes accordingly.

We could actually put in a lot of protection to try and stop people voting inappropriately, but we've found technology to be very off-putting to some since it's very difficult to get it to work realisably in all circumstances. Its also actually totally impossible to stop a determined multiple voter since they would just use different machines - one at home, one at work, several visits to Internet Cafe etc. While I don't think I'm exactly typical I don't think I'm unusual in probably using 3 to 5 machines in a typical week. All that being the case it seems crazy to chase the Holy Grail. We do however have some protection but essentially there is a trust thing here and personally i think the results are not a million miles off the reality. Of course that's the 'reality' for visitors to our site - or rather those who choose to vote. If voters represent some kind of dance audience norm or not is an interesting point - worthy of debate in itself sometime.

All this reminds me that I need to change the poll...


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Jim

06-10-00, 10:25 AM (GMT)
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2. "RE: ballet.co Poll Fraud Exposed - the next poll?"
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   Ha! Therein lies your next poll, Bruce:

How many computers to you use each week to access ballet.co?


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06-10-00, 12:39 PM (GMT)
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3. "RE: ballet.co Poll Fraud Exposed - the next poll?"
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   Gentlemen your talents are wasted!


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