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Ann Williams

05-08-00, 04:29 PM (GMT)
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"What would you have done?"
 
  
I found this delicious little titbit in the news section of today's Telegraph:-


FOUR ballet lovers asked by the Royal Opera House to give up seats for Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother's 100th birthday treat last night agreed. Two refused

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/et?ac=003239860319722&rtmo=kNL3kYop&atmo=HHHHHH8L&pg=/et/00/8/5/nmum705.html


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  Subject     Author     Message Date     ID  
  RE: What would you have done? Helen 05-08-00 1
  RE: What would you have done? Bruce Madmin 05-08-00 2
  RE: What would you have done? Jane N 05-08-00 3
     RE: What would you have done? eugene merrett 05-08-00 4
  RE: What would you have done? Bruce Madmin 06-08-00 5
     RE: What would you have done? Jane N 06-08-00 6
         RE: What would you have done? eugene merrett 06-08-00 7
             RE: What would you have done? patricia m 06-08-00 8
                 I would never give up my seat! Stephanie Wragg 06-08-00 9
             RE: What would you have done? Bruce Madmin 06-08-00 11
  RE: What would you have done? Carole 06-08-00 10
  RE: What would you have done? newcombe 06-08-00 12
     RE: What would you have done? Caz 06-08-00 13

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Helen

05-08-00, 05:11 PM (GMT)
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1. "RE: What would you have done?"
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   My son, who, unlike me, lives in London, told me he saw some of the people concerned on a local TV news programme, and I was about to post something about it. I hope I'd have refused, but I would have been so amazed to be asked that it's difficult to know what I would have done. Moral: don't sit in expensive seats!


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Bruce Madmin

05-08-00, 05:25 PM (GMT)
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2. "RE: What would you have done?"
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   LAST EDITED ON 05-08-00 AT 05:26 PM (GMT)

It's the ROH negotiating stance that I love. The thought of a 'Seafood platter' as one's final negotiating card is priceless.


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Jane N

05-08-00, 09:30 PM (GMT)
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   To quote the piece: "Mrs Hochhauser said that the Queen Mother, the Queen and Princess Margaret, with their ladies in waiting, wanted to occupy the grand tier. The royal box had a "slightly restricted view"." I don't understand the restricted view comment - surely the Royal Box is supposed to have the best view in the place? I agree with the people who refused. I certainly wouldn't have willingly given up my seat for the odd flunky to get a better view. Mind you, let's hope the Kirov were better doing the Ballets of Folkine Prog 1 (Petrushka/Le Spectre de la Rose/Polovtsian Dances/Scheherazade) than they were doing Swan Lake, otherwise I might have regretted the decision. Anyone there who could say what the performance was actually like? I'd love to know how the orchestra coped with both the Stravinsky and the Rimsky-Korsakov, as there are some pretty hairy moments in both scores, much more so than the Tchaikovsky they had such a bad time with on Wednesday night.


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eugene merrett

05-08-00, 09:37 PM (GMT)
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4. "RE: What would you have done?"
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   Good for those who refused to move!! I would refuse to move on principal and I would let the Queen Mother and the Queen know what I think of their out of date attitude.

The Royal Family can book ahead like anyone else. In fact they get more then enough priveleges when it comes to seats at opera, Wimbledon etc.


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Bruce Madmin

06-08-00, 08:42 AM (GMT)
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   I'm not sure why but I do keep thinking about what is the great moral issue of the summer...

Actually I think I would move seats for the Queen Mum. And no need for a sweetner particularly though the Champagne would be appreciated.

But what I would have great difficulty with is moving for one of the flunkies. If I read correctly the entire party seemed to need 6 seats in the Grand Tier and 6 or 8 in the Royal Box. Given that people were being asked to make sacrifices it would have been nice for some of the Royal hangers-on to forgo the pleasure of ballet that night and disturb others less.

The alternative is for ROH to understand that one wants more than a sip of Champagne and a seafood platter in order to move for some rich hanger-on. Besides seats on the night planned they ought to offer another night out at ROH as well - with good tickets, travel and dinner all covered. That seems an offer that the recipient doesn't have to think twice about and doesn't seek to trade on good will which might not be there.

I have to say I feel sorry for those who did give up their seats for the Queen Mum only to find them filled by hangers-on they don't know from Adam.


I suppose all this is the trouble you get when you let riffraff in downstairs!


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Jane N

06-08-00, 11:37 AM (GMT)
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6. "RE: What would you have done?"
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   BRUCE: I agree - they should definitely keep riffraff like flunkies upstairs.


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eugene merrett

06-08-00, 11:51 AM (GMT)
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   It is the Royal Family entourage that should make an appeal to those who are occupying the seats they want. I think it is most undignified for the Royal Opera House to be toadying to the Royal Family.
It is also undiginified for the Royal Family to request special treatment. The Royal Opera would not do this for anyone else. It is so typical of their attitude towards priviledge!

I take certain pleasure in seeing the Royal Family flunkies gritting their teeth when they had to put a brave face on after their failure to get those people to move!

I would be willing to give my seat up for anyone BUT the Royal Family if I am compensated to my satisfaction,


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patricia m

06-08-00, 12:30 PM (GMT)
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   i would have willingly given up a seat for the queen or queen mother but not for a lady in waiting. perhaps a chance to meet them would have been a nicer 'carrot', in addition to another decent seat, rather than a seafood platter or some champagne. maybe the ladies in waiting should have done exactly that, and waited.


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Stephanie Wragg

06-08-00, 02:01 PM (GMT)
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9. "I would never give up my seat!"
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   I agree: good for those 2 ladies who stood their ground. Having their tickets since May shows they appreciate dance. And a seafood platter...what if they hate fish????what's the offer then? a complimentary Mars bar?

Anyway, the Queen could have given up her seat for one of her chums since it is a known fact she doesn't enjoy ballet.

What a story!!!


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Bruce Madmin

06-08-00, 04:59 PM (GMT)
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11. "RE: What would you have done?"
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   >It is the Royal Family entourage
>that should make an appeal
>to those who are occupying
>the seats they want.
>I think it is most
>undignified for the Royal Opera
> House to be toadying
>to the Royal Family.
>It is also undiginified for the
>Royal Family to request special
>treatment. The Royal Opera
>would not do this for
>anyone else. It is
>so typical of their attitude
>towards priviledge!

That's all too harsh I think. The reality is that a number of Royals have very publicly helped in fundraising over very many years. And I think they seriously helped and bothered rather then just turned up occasionally. And it is the ROYAL Opera House - on a world level is does add cachet and the organisation can't just not bother and forget all the things they have been brought by the association.

The reality is that many rich folks/organisations give to the place, as opposed to being a drain on it (which most of us are - consuming vast amounts of public subsidy!), and for that they expect some consideration at times... its human nature. In reality I think ROH would go a long way to please some benefactors because not to would put at risk much needed money. Crude but true.


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Carole

06-08-00, 02:41 PM (GMT)
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10. "RE: What would you have done?"
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   I was there on Friday night, up in the Amphi watching the toings and froings of the Grand Tier seats (and the ballet!). In fact, Princess Margaret and a male who she seemed to know were sitting in the front row of the Grand Tier (in seats adjacent to the right aisle). It did look rather odd with her mum and elder sister sitting in the Royal Box and her looking a little if she was out on a limb!

However, after the second interval she came to watch Scheherazade from the Royal Box and the guy who had been in the Royal Box on the right of the Queen Mother went and sat in Princess Margaret's seat in the Grand Tier. He was quite young and had the look of Special Branch about him, but I may be way off beam.

Anyway, they all looked as if they were enjoying the evening including the Queen, who sat bolt upright and looked very attentively at the stage the whole time. It was nice to see them together as a family and there was quite a lot of chat going on between the Queen and QM at the end of the interval - I even saw the Queen pick something which had dropped on the floor as the QM got up to leave. Normally she behaves so formally with the QM at public occasions - it was nice to see them being less starchy together.


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newcombe

06-08-00, 05:35 PM (GMT)
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12. "RE: What would you have done?"
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   No way. This was the first chance for me to see Asylmuratova this season. I booked very early for her performances and this was the first time she appeared as originally advertised. Don't the Opera House management realise that most of us go to see the performance and maybe our favourite dancers.


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Caz

06-08-00, 11:02 PM (GMT)
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13. "RE: What would you have done?"
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   Yup, I'd cheerfully give up my seat to anyone who offered me enough money... hehe...
And of course a seafood platter and champagne would be a nice bonus.


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