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Eugene

16-06-00, 02:41 PM (GMT)
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" Darcey NOT in the Telegraph"
 
   It's true folks! She in the papers but not the Telegraph this time. Instead she is in the Evening giving her views of London (including abolishing the homeless - I suppose we can always house them in the Floral Hall).

But she WAS in the Telegraph last weekend!! Will she ever appear the Guardian!! That is about as likely as her appearing on Page 3 of the Sun.


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  Subject     Author     Message Date     ID  
  RE: Darcey NOT in the Telegraph Fuzzyface 16-06-00 1
     RE: Darcey NOT in the Telegraph Shirley 16-06-00 2
         RE: Darcey NOT in the Telegraph Isobel Houghton 17-07-01 3
  RE: Darcey NOT in the Telegraph robert 17-07-01 4
     RE: Darcey NOT in the Telegraph Isobel Houghton 17-07-01 5
         RE: Darcey NOT in the Telegraph Pete 17-07-01 6
         RE: Darcey NOT in the Telegraph Shirley 17-07-01 7
             RE: Darcey NOT in the Telegraph Eugene Merrett 17-07-01 8
                 RE: Darcey NOT in the Telegraph Isobel Houghton 17-07-01 9
                     RE: Darcey NOT in the Telegraph Pete 17-07-01 10
                         RE: Darcey NOT in the Telegraph Eugene Merrett 17-07-01 11
                             RE: Darcey NOT in the Telegraph Jonathan 17-07-01 12
                             RE: Darcey NOT in the Telegraph Isobel Houghton 18-07-01 13
                             RE: Darcey NOT in the Telegraph Sir Peppa Mint-Wrigley 18-07-01 14
                             RE: Darcey NOT in the Telegraph eugene merrett 18-07-01 15

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Fuzzyface

16-06-00, 02:56 PM (GMT)
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1. "RE: Darcey NOT in the Telegraph"
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   I thought she was a big pal of "The Guardian's " Judith Mackrell! Us lefties who read "The Guardian" probably wouldn't want to read about the famed tory dancer anyway. I bet her views on the homeless are really enlightened!


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Shirley

16-06-00, 04:34 PM (GMT)
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2. "RE: Darcey NOT in the Telegraph"
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   Shock Horror!!I do believe Darcey has been mentioned in all the newspapers (even the Sun!!!). Also had her picture in them as well!


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Isobel Houghton

17-07-01, 01:15 AM (GMT)
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3. "RE: Darcey NOT in the Telegraph"
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   I just read Bussell's comments on the Associated Newspapers site, it was throw away and one would hope abbreviated, slimmed down etc, I truly hope so. Otherwise Ms Bussell should feel deeply ashamed. Not only does it do her a disservice, it also does great damage to ballet, an art which increasingly (and not unjustifiably) is attacked for cultural and social elitism.

Firstly, an inhumane comment is inappropriate for an artist. A true artist's expression is full of humanity, naive perhaps but true.

Secondly Bussell is in a company which contains dancers from countries whose record of inhumanity to its countrymen includes atrocities which makes our own country's questionable attitudes to the homeless and other "Social pariahs" seem positively saintly. Perhaps she should explain her views about the homeless and the tragedy which ensues and leads to people becoming destitute and abandoned to the Romanians, Russians, Argentinians, Cubans etc etc in the RB.

Lastly and most importantly, an Opera House has always been associated with the elite, not just in terms of art, but also in a more generic view. The rich go to the opera, ballet while the poor starve outside. Indeed, in Pygmalion and My Fair Lady (probably one of the most repulsive allegories of the ruling classes callously destroying the identity and life of the working classes) Higgens meets Doolittle as he comes out of the Opera House. The high arts are vastly overpriced, indeed one could justifiably argue that the great sums spent on Covent Garden could far better have been spent on helping the homeless.
The homeless are composed of vast amounts of mentally ill people who have nowhere to go after the closure of hospitals, sexually abused children, and people for whom life has reached a place of despair and horror. Bussell's comment will confirm to many that the high arts has very little impact or relevance to very real social issues.

An artist of Bussell's stature must be responsible for what she says, must think before she speaks. A one word comment from someone such as herself can do infinitely more damage to the state of the arts then any budget cut.


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robert

17-07-01, 03:09 PM (GMT)
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4. "RE: Darcey NOT in the Telegraph"
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   Ballet the most elite of art forms has survived both the French and the Russian Revolutions. I hope it will continue to survive. Periodically people state that Darcy Bussel is a Tory as if that was of any importance. I do not know what her politics are and I thought that in Britain political opinions were private. In my youth I campaigned to stop the imposition of rules to make schoolteachers state that they were not members of the Communist Party. I would hate to think that in our new national socialist state that peoples alleged political views were banded about, and that people could be persecuted for being a Tory.


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Isobel Houghton

17-07-01, 03:28 PM (GMT)
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5. "RE: Darcey NOT in the Telegraph"
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   Dear Robert

I agree with you utterly a person's political views are indeed private and their own, it is there absolute right to hold them. However, I do not attack Ms Bussell's political convictions or beliefs.

However, the problem of homelessness is endemic, tragic and widespread and an issue for whichever political party is in power.

A love of the arts is wonderful and ballet is wonderful, i love it. However, I did go through much soul-searching at one point in my life to reconcile my passion of this rarified and historically elitest art form to my burgeoning political views and consciousness.

You must remember though with the question of ballet under political regimes such as Communisim, that the reason why ballet was allowed to continue in the Soviet block was that Stalin believed that it was an inoffensive form of escapism which would allow the masses to go off into the drudgery of life under the tyranny of Communist regimes with a rosy glow in their hearts. And it did indeed work. The endings of many ballets were changed, Swan Lake most famously, so that the proles need not be confronted with unpleasant endings (As if the regime didn't confront them with such terrors!!!)
During the second half of the 20th century the plight of the great defectors became political sensations, because they proved (to the Cold War terrorised West at least) that the artist could not survive under tyranny. And one could argue that the golden age of Soviet Ballet extended the possibilities of technique to fabulous, undreamed of limits but how many world-class choreographers did it produce? An artists voice if constrained can never find its true potential.

However, as to Ms Bussell's comment what I think people take umbrage with, or should do, is not that she supports Conservative, but that as a public figure, especially a public figure who works in an area under constant attack and threat from budgeting, arts council cuts, and attacks as to the validity of ballet to the world at large, she has a duty not only to herself but to ballet to think before she speaks. Most definitely about subjects as difficult, horrific and tragic as homelessness


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Pete

17-07-01, 04:30 PM (GMT)
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6. "RE: Darcey NOT in the Telegraph"
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   Can anyone provide a link to this story? Unfortunately the search engine on the ES site appears to be down.


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Shirley

17-07-01, 04:55 PM (GMT)
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7. "RE: Darcey NOT in the Telegraph"
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   >However, as to Ms Bussell's comment
>what I think people take
>umbrage with, or should do,
>is not that she supports
>Conservative, but that as a
>public figure, especially a public
>figure who works in an
>area under constant attack and
>threat from budgeting, arts council
>cuts, and attacks as to
>the validity of ballet to
>the world at large, she
>has a duty not only
>to herself but to ballet
>to think before she speaks.
>Most definitely about subjects as
>difficult, horrific and tragic as
>homelessness

From the way I read the interview, which btw is not so much an interview but a quick 10 min Q&A session, is that Darcey would like all the homeless of the street into housing!

Perhaps you read it a different way, but it seems funny that you have picked this up over a year after it was published.


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Eugene Merrett

17-07-01, 06:42 PM (GMT)
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8. "RE: Darcey NOT in the Telegraph"
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   Well, it comes as a bit of surprise that a totally casual posting I put over a year ago has resurfaced as a deadly serious criticsm of Ms Bussell.

I cannot remember the original interview - but I never believed that she seriously believed in the forcible removal of homeless from the streets - I am sure she meant it like "abolishing poverty" which even I would consider to be a worthwhile goal!!!

But Ms Bussell has been exploited by the Tory party in 1995 - they used her as shining example of government sponsership of Art Schools. Then it turned out that her parents had to pay for her training. She then publically disassciated herself from the Tory claims (Through ROH press department I think)

John Prescott said "the ballerina does a pirouette and runs away"!!!


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Isobel Houghton

17-07-01, 07:17 PM (GMT)
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9. "RE: Darcey NOT in the Telegraph"
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   The ES website is indeed down, I came across the clipping in an advanced search (maybe it was me who broke it) and it was indeed a clipping. As I stated if this was indeed Ms Bussell's intentions, which I'm sure it was, I apologise for my vitriol, but you indeed raise an interesting point about her exploitation by the Conservative party and the facetious comment of Prescott's.
Perhaps that's why dancers like Deborah Bull are so vital nowadays, with their eloquent advocacy of the arts and their refusal to be misquoted.
The media is a horribly powerful beast, it reorganises the innocent remark to suit its own ends. Not least the Associated Newspaper group.
If I offended anyone I apologise.


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Pete

17-07-01, 08:47 PM (GMT)
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10. "RE: Darcey NOT in the Telegraph"
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   Eugene

Thanks for clarifying that the article is the one posted over a year ago -I had the link saved. For those interested in what all the fuss is about..... My London : Darcey Bussell.
I agree Eugene, that Darcey must have meant 'abolish homelessness' rather than 'the homeless' ...I expected to see the headline 'Homeless Death Squad : My Agenda by Bond Girl Darcey Bussell'

As for nailing her political colours to the wall, she seems to have been forced into doing so by the two leading parties in this country. As well as the Conservative party episode mentioned, Labour recently made a gaff in this arena, when the Blairs proudly proclaimed that the Bussell portrait adorns the corridors of No. 10. Refusing to be exploited, she declared her leaning towards the Tories.

Ultimately I think that Ms Bussell is trying to remain apolitical.
The media is indeed a powerful beast!


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Eugene Merrett

17-07-01, 09:18 PM (GMT)
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11. "RE: Darcey NOT in the Telegraph"
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   "Abolish homelessness" or "Abolish the homeless" - What a difference a few letters make!

No wonder why our language can be very confusing!


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Jonathan

17-07-01, 10:03 PM (GMT)
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12. "RE: Darcey NOT in the Telegraph"
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   Isobel/Robert: What a shame, I was beginning to really enjoy this thread, and the way it had got its teeth into some hearty political and social issues to do with the arts. Too bad that the source of all the fun turned out to be less inflammatory than at first sight. One could argue, of course, that she should have concentrated on getting the homeless off the streets before worrying about the chewing gum, but that's probably just splitting hairs.

Perhaps she should take the test at http://www.politicalcompass.org/ just to allay any fears...


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Isobel Houghton

18-07-01, 00:15 AM (GMT)
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13. "RE: Darcey NOT in the Telegraph"
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   Dear Jonathan

Just did that test, am libertarian left, no surprise there. What was shocking was that Blair is Authoritarian/Fascist right, more or less placed exactly where the graph showed Thatcher to be!!

Not really surprised actually, but a bit of a nasty taste left in the mouth all the same.

Isobel


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Sir Peppa Mint-Wrigley

18-07-01, 00:19 AM (GMT)
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14. "RE: Darcey NOT in the Telegraph"
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   >One could argue, of course,
>that she should have concentrated
>on getting the homeless off
>the streets before worrying about
>the chewing gum, but that's
>probably just splitting hairs.

No it's not! The rights of masticated substances has for far too long been neglected. Do refrain from stepping upon us, and from sitting upon us on tube seats, we should have the right to co-exist with you bipedal carbon based lifeforms in harmony, and not be shoved in the freezer and scraped off after we first meet. I demand a greater basis in democracy for all gum based products. All you seem to want to do is to chew us up and spit us out....


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eugene merrett

18-07-01, 10:25 AM (GMT)
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15. "RE: Darcey NOT in the Telegraph"
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   The blame for the misunderstanding must fall with the journalist who interviewed Darcey - he/she should not have used "abolish the homeless" when Darcey clearly meant "abolish homelessness".

At the risk of being accused as a hypocrite I would like to say that I found the polictical compass test a lot of fun and very informative.

I say this with caution as I did, in the past, lambast someone who suggest we should all take a racial test!


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