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Catherine

22-03-00, 03:27 PM (GMT)
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"POB XXI"
 
   I think it's time to open the new session of POB thread.
Subject : Eleonora Abbagnaton and Emilie Cozette.

Eleonora Abbagnato is very loved by POB direction. She's too many distribute as principal, she never makes corps de ballet since the beginning of year against older sujet and coryphée make all corps de ballet. She dances well but she's not a futur GUillem. I don't understand why a french critic compare her to Guillem.
Emilie Cozette is a beautiful dancer and I think she could make something great if she continues to work like that. She's really a good dancer more than Abbagnato.

Je ne comprends absolument pas l'engouement de la direction de l'Opéra pour Abbagnato, elle danse bien mais ce n'est pas LA danseuse du siècle. Je ne comprends pas du tout comment on apu la comparer à Guillem étant donné qu'elles n'ont strictement rien à voir ensemble.
Emilie Cozette est bien plus prometteuse et bien plus intéressante à mon avis, mais tout est tellement question de cotteries à l'Opéra que les meilleurs danseurs ne sont pas forcement récompensés


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  Subject     Author     Message Date     ID  
  RE: POB XXI Maxime 22-03-00 1
  RE: POB XXI Terry 23-03-00 2
     RE: POB XXI Catherine 24-03-00 4
     RE: POB XXI Jija 25-03-00 9
  RE: POB XXI Maxime 24-03-00 3
     RE: POB XXI Catherine 24-03-00 5
     RE: POB XXI Kevin Ng 25-03-00 8
  RE: POB XXI Terry 24-03-00 6
     RE: POB XXI Catherine 25-03-00 7
     RE: POB XXI Jija 25-03-00 10
         RE: POB XXI Maxime 25-03-00 11
             RE: POB XXI Jija 26-03-00 16
                 RE: POB XXI Maxime 26-03-00 18
         RE: POB XXI Stuart Sweeney 25-03-00 12
             RE: POB XXI - Next season Catherine 26-03-00 13
                 RE: POB XXI - Next season Catherine 26-03-00 14
                 RE: POB XXI - Next season Kevin Ng 26-03-00 15
                 RE: POB XXI - Next season Jija 26-03-00 17
             Use of POB Threads Bruce Madmin 26-03-00 19

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Maxime

22-03-00, 09:42 PM (GMT)
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1. "RE: POB XXI"
In response to message #0
 
   Pas seulement à l'Opéra de Paris Catherine... Dans chaque compagnie il y a des injustices, des favoris, des gens qui mériteraient plus que d'autre d'avoir des rôles intéressants et qui ne les ont pas. C'est quelque chose de tout à fait courant dans le monde de la danse et le monde du spectacle en général. L'Opéra de Paris n'est en rien, sur ce point tout au moins, différent des autres compagnies.


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Terry

23-03-00, 00:26 AM (GMT)
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2. "RE: POB XXI"
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   Thanks Catherine!
I must say that when I saw Abbagnato in "Daphnis and Chloe" during their school performance in 1994, I wasn't TOO impressed...so I was wondering how she was maturing as a dancer these days. I must say that I think she possesses a very good body proportion for a French dancer...Right now, I personally think the Paris Opera dancers are too tall (M.A. Gillot, Cozette, to name a few) but Abbagnato must have a easy time finding partners as opposed to others in the Opera. I guess their sizes are fine as corps de ballet members but sometimes, I just don't think they "fit" very well into the whole scenery of a ballet production. And as I did mention earlier, I did see Cozette in "Grand Pas Classique," which I thought was pretty satisfactory for a dancer her age. It would be interesting to see how she turns out in the future. Recently, I read in this one review that Miriam O. Brahaum (I don't know if I spelled her name right...sorry...) has some amazing talent. Do you know anything about her?


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Catherine

24-03-00, 09:19 PM (GMT)
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4. "RE: POB XXI"
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   Myriam Ould Braham enters in POB at last september. She pass her first concours at the 9 december and choose Giselle act 1 variation. She dances well, she's very young and very small. She danced in Les forains one of the siamese sisters.

J'ai assisté hier soir à la générale de la reprise de Cendrillon de Noureev. Gaïda, Hilaire, Martinez, Bart, Romoli, Moussin et Osta en étaient les principaux interprètes.
Gaïda est une jolie Cendrillon au premier acte, mais elle est trop éteinte, pas assez "star" au deuxième acte, elle est très poétique même si parfois il y a quelques fautes techniques. Hilaire est très bien en acteur vedette. MArtinez en mère s'amuse comme un fou, seul réserve sa coiffure qui ne lui sied pas vraiment. Bart est très bien en maître à danser. Romoli est un producteur quelque peu éteint, il manque de truculence. Quant à Moussin et Osta elles sont géniales en soeurs.
PAr contre le corps de ballet n'est pas vraiment au point. De plus, je ne sais quelle lubie leur a pris de changer les costumes des saisons qui sont absolument hideux surtout le printemps. L'hiver dansée par Aubin a une coiffure horrible. Je ne comprends pas pourquoi ils ont fait des changements là-dessus vu que les costumes originaux étaient superbes.
Enfin bref, je dirai que cette Cendrillon est quand même quelque peu décevante, le ballet est intéressant par sa chorégraphie, mais les danseurs semblent déjà fatigués par les répetitions et surtout le concours. Les blessés pleuvent, Thibault, Duquenne, Moreau, Ciaravola, Pech, Averty sont blessés.
A suivre


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Jija

25-03-00, 06:13 PM (GMT)
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9. "RE: POB XXI"
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   Hello.

>I must say that I think she
>possesses a very good body proportion
>for a French dancer...

Excuse me? I think definitely French and Russian dancers are the most beautiful dancers of the world.
Anyway, Abbagnato is an Italian...
I, too, saw her dancing in "Daphnis and Chloe" at the POB school performance in Japan(Nicolas Paul was her partner, Daphnis), and I liked her vey much. Both Abbagnato and Paul were so lyric and expressive.
I don't think she is Guillem 2. She is not at all that type, but I think she's wonderful. (Sorry, Catherine...!)


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Maxime

24-03-00, 09:17 PM (GMT)
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3. "RE: POB XXI"
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   Mais Catherine où donc êtes-vous passée ? Vos messages manquent vraiment à ce thread


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Catherine

24-03-00, 09:20 PM (GMT)
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5. "RE: POB XXI"
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   Submergée de travail, je n'ai pu consulter beaucoup et écrire cette semaine, mais je viens juste de me rattraper


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Kevin Ng

25-03-00, 10:25 AM (GMT)
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8. "RE: POB XXI"
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   Oui, Catherine, Marie, vos messages nous manquent ici cette semaine!
Et Catherine, c'est dommage d'apprendre qu' il y a autant de danseurs blesses.


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Terry

24-03-00, 11:28 PM (GMT)
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6. "RE: POB XXI"
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   There's one question that I've always been wanting to ask...about Karin Averty... I know that she won the grand prix at Varna in 1980...although a grand prix at Varna does not guarantee a successful futre, one would expect that she had the potential to become an etoile...and usually, it is the case that they do become etoiles: look at Sylvie Guillem and Patrick Dupont. But whatever happened with her? She transferred to SFBallet in the late 1980's....Did she not get along with Nureyev? So do you think that she is not an etoile because the administration doesn't like her or is it because she really doesn't have the qualities of an etoile?


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Catherine

25-03-00, 09:18 AM (GMT)
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7. "RE: POB XXI"
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   I think Averty must be an etoile. But Opera's Direction didn't like her. Nureyev gave to him several rule as Kitri or Odette. She was a brilliant dancer. One moment, she was so deceived of her career in POB she left to San Francisco where she get etoile. She came back but it was not the same brilliant dancer. I remember when she danced Etudes, she was really deceiving, missing all in her variation. I know that Etudes' woman variation is really difficult but she miss evrything and I'm not unpleasant with her it was reality. I loved too many this dancer. She had several bad years and when she became fine in her private life, she began to dance new well.
The last year, she injuried her back on Neumeier's Sylvia and she began to take cursus just in november. She must dance Cendrillon, but she is new injuried, i don't know where.
It was not normal that Karin didn't become etoile. Now it's too late, but I think her pretty face seemed to a little girl, and it was difficult to cast her at her career's beginning. I think Nureyev liked her but not too to allow her to become an etoile.


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Jija

25-03-00, 06:18 PM (GMT)
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10. "RE: POB XXI"
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   >...about Karin Averty... I
>know that she won the grand
>prix at Varna in 1980...

She didn't win the grand prix, it's the gold medal that she won.


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Maxime

25-03-00, 07:44 PM (GMT)
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11. "RE: POB XXI"
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   Jija
Karin Averty a bien gagné le grand prix à Varna tout comme Patrick Dupond et Sylvie Guillem


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Jija

26-03-00, 02:53 PM (GMT)
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16. "RE: POB XXI"
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   >Jija Karin Averty a bien gagné le
>grand prix à Varna tout comme
>Patrick Dupond et Sylvie Guillem

Really? I've never heard of that, and, according to the list of awarded ex-students of POB school
at Varna in the (brochure) book "Ecole bu Ballet de l'Opera de Paris",published in 1993, it's like this:

1976 Patrick Dupond, Prix d'excellence,Medaille d'or

1978 Clothilde Vayer, Medaille d'or
Elisabeth Platel, Medaille d'argent

1980 Karin Averty, Medaille d'or
Eric Vu An, Medaille d'argent

1983 Sylvie Guillem, Prix d'excellence,Medaille d'or

(....)


But unfortunately, I don't have any official data
of Varna. Do you have it, Maxime?


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Maxime

26-03-00, 06:48 PM (GMT)
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18. "RE: POB XXI"
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   Jija
Il est possible que je me sois trompé... Je vais faire un peu plus de recherches


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Stuart Sweeney

25-03-00, 08:18 PM (GMT)
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12. "RE: POB XXI"
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   Twenty-one is an important number. It represents a coming of age, a sign of maturity. I am delighted that the excellent framework that Bruce has put in place has enabled an unfulfilled need for debate and exchange of information on Paris Opera Ballet, one of the foremost ballet companies in the world.

But just as we don't have Royal Ballet 748 or Birmingham Royal Ballet 267 etc., etc., perhaps we can now move to incorporate discussions on a whole range of subjects regarding POB into the mainstream of the site rather than a numerical ghetto.

The interesting discussion in this thread is about Eleonora Abbagnaton and Emilie Cozette. I can't help thinking that that would be a more useful heading.

I am delighted that ballet.co.uk has enabled POB I-XXI. But, perhaps when this thread has grown too long, the next thread will have a specific theme, rather than POB XXII.


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Catherine

26-03-00, 12:45 PM (GMT)
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13. "RE: POB XXI - Next season"
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   The fact to name the thread POB is more easy to recognize him.
It's just necessary to precise the theme of our intervention.

Programme de la prochaine saison :

La saison ouvre par une compagnie de Flamenco. Ensuite à partir du 5 octobre, reprise de Raymonda
Ensuite soirée Balanchine, Robbins, Preljocaj et Hoche qui comprend Apollon musagère, Suite of Dances, Annonciation et une création dont je ne me souviens plus le titre de Hoche.
Ensuite reprise de la soirée Forsythe avec In the Middle, Vertiginous thrill of exactitude, Woundworks, et Pas/Parts.
Pour les fêtes Casse- Noisette à Bastille de novembre au 24 décembre avec 25 représentations environ.
Création en France de Jewels, version intégrale à Garnier pour les fêtes et le réveillon du nouvel an.
Vient ensuite la re-création de Paquita version intégrale par Lacotte.
Venue du San Francisco Ballet avec Sandpaper et deux autres ballets.
Soirée Kylian avec Doux mensonges, une création à l'Opéra je ne me souviens plus le titre et une création mondiale
Reprise de l'Histoire de Manon de Mc Millan.
Soirée Robbins avec In the Night, Other Dances, The Concert et création de The cage.
Création mondiale de Gallotta.
Fin de saison avec Roméo et Juliette à Bastille en repère à Garnier Le songe d'une nuit d'été.
Il y également prévu une soirée jeunes danseurs ainsi que l'école de danse qui fera Coppélia version Aveline et Youndering, la création que Neumeier leur a fait il y a deux ans.

Pour Marie, dans Cendrillon Nicolas Paul est l'un des deux solistes masculins du printemps. Hervé Moreau par contre est blessé.
Phavorin devrait faire le Maître à danser car ils sont quatre à être blessés sur ce rôle et ne devraient pas le danser (Pech, Duquenne, Thibault et donc Moreau mais lui il n'était que remplaçant du rôle non titulaire comme les trois autres) - est-ce un rôle porte poisse ?


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Catherine

26-03-00, 12:47 PM (GMT)
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14. "RE: POB XXI - Next season"
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   Evidemment Jewels est celui de Balanchine avec des costumes signés Christian Lacroix.


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Kevin Ng

26-03-00, 02:09 PM (GMT)
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15. "RE: POB XXI - Next season"
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   >The fact to name the thread POB
>is more easy to recognize him.
> It's just necessary to precise
>the theme of our intervention.

Stuart, I agree with Catherine's remark about the naming of this POB thread, but if there is an interesting subject to discuss about POB, it can be a subject for the next thread.
Marie, vous serez sans doute heureuse d'apprendre de Catherine que Nicolas Paul est un des soloistes du printemps dans "Cendrillon".
Catherine, merci de nous donner rapidement le programme de la saison prochaine. Ce sont de bonnes nouvelles d'avoir la reprise du programme Forsythe, et aussi la premiere francaise de "Jewels" de Balanchine.


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Jija

26-03-00, 02:57 PM (GMT)
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17. "RE: POB XXI - Next season"
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   Catherine, merci pour le programme de la prochaine saison!
Ça a l'air plus intéressant que la saison actuelle...non?


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Bruce Madmin

26-03-00, 07:16 PM (GMT)
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19. "Use of POB Threads"
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On this issue I say let people come of age as they wish.

I think the POB threads are unusual in that they are mainly in French and as such are very different. I don't necessarily share a view that they should operate as other threads, though I wish they were shorter and thus a quicker download.

Its really for those who most use the threads to decide what best suits them and Catherine sums it well I think. If many others come along and actively contribute to them it might well be that such use becomes naturally re-assessed of course.



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