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Eugene Merrett

20-03-00, 08:47 PM (GMT)
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"Dobson and Livingstone view on the ROH"
 
   I was listening to the radio today and I heared Frank Dobson announcing a possible London lottery to finance art projects around London. However he snidely remarked that "the Royal Opera House need not apply!". This remark comes as no surprise from someone who enjoyed seeing "toffs" queue up for hours for entrance to the dome!

But I am afraid Ken Livingstone is no lover of the opera house. I remember when he was the GLC leader he wanted the ROH grant to be used to finance "community art".

It seems that our beloved ROH is an unwanted orphan as far as the mayoral candidates are concern. Thank god they have no say over their budgets!


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  Subject     Author     Message Date     ID  
  RE: Dobson and Livingstone view on the ROH Stuart Sweeney 20-03-00 1
     RE: Dobson and Livingstone view on the ROH Bruce Madmin 20-03-00 2
         RE: Dobson and Livingstone view on the ROH jonathan 21-03-00 3
             RE: Dobson and Livingstone view on the ROH Bruce Madmin 21-03-00 4
                 RE: Dobson and Livingstone view on the ROH Eugene Merrett 21-03-00 5
             RE: Dobson and Livingstone view on the ROH Stuart Sweeney 21-03-00 6
                 RE: Dobson and Livingstone view on the ROH Eugene Merrett 22-03-00 7
                 RE: Dobson and Livingstone view on the ROH Susie 22-03-00 8

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Stuart Sweeney

20-03-00, 10:37 PM (GMT)
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1. "RE: Dobson and Livingstone view on the ROH"
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   An interesting point, Eugene, as the brief of the Mayor will include Arts and presumably some responsibility for London Arts Board, the primary funding body for London. The Regional Arts Boards have a much greater say in funding under the new arrangements devolving power from the Arts Council of England. You are right that LAB does not have responsibility for the ROH, which is funded directly by the ACE.

Let's hope that it works out ok for the premier dance venue in London - I mean Sadler's Wells, of course.


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Bruce Madmin

20-03-00, 11:09 PM (GMT)
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2. "RE: Dobson and Livingstone view on the ROH"
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>Let's hope that it works out ok
>for the premier dance venue in
>London - I mean Sadler's Wells,
>of course.

Nice one!

Having had 227m (or thereabouts) of capital spend and the largest AC funding, year on year, of any institution I really don't think that either the ROH or its patrons can really feel hard done by.

If there is money to spare for ballet and dance there are now more deserving causes I think. Or I suppose it could go into lessoning the cost of ROH sandwiches - a scandalous 6.50 I gather, though few have had the means to actually check this out...



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jonathan

21-03-00, 00:08 AM (GMT)
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   The term "community arts" makes my stomach turn. In any society where there is really such a thing as community, people have very little use for "art" as a commodity.


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Bruce Madmin

21-03-00, 00:23 AM (GMT)
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4. "RE: Dobson and Livingstone view on the ROH"
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   Sounds like we had better go for the sandwich subsidy then!


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Eugene Merrett

21-03-00, 10:14 AM (GMT)
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5. "RE: Dobson and Livingstone view on the ROH"
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   I confess that I rather like the sandwichs at the ROH. At least they are relatively fresh - unlike the Marks and Sparks ones that are made at least 12 hours ago. And its not just sandwiches - it does have a sprinkling of crisp!

As I never have time to eat before and I would not touch an English restaurant with a 10ten foot poll (they are bland and overpriced) I have become reliant on the rOH for my evening meal.


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Stuart Sweeney

21-03-00, 11:21 AM (GMT)
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6. "RE: Dobson and Livingstone view on the ROH"
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   >The term "community arts" makes my stomach
>turn. In any society where
>there is really such a thing
>as community, people have very little
>use for "art" as a commodity.

Not sure what point you are making here, jonathan. My limited experience of Community dance in this country has been uniformly positive - professional performers or teachers helping non-professionals to make dance works, which often resonate with feeling and commitment. In last year's 'Take me to the River' as part of Greenwich Festival, the opening community dance segment outshone the subsequent professional bits. But the real point is the stimulation that the opportunity to create generates.

To me this is so clearly an admirable activity that I think you must have been getting at something else. Elucidate if you wish.



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Eugene Merrett

22-03-00, 10:45 AM (GMT)
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7. "RE: Dobson and Livingstone view on the ROH"
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   I am not a legal expert but I do not think that a government can pass legislation but specifically exclude an institution/person from taking advantage of it.

Imagine if the government funded say extra child credit but specifically excluded a certain Ms Jones of 12 Wellington Gardens Bolton from taking advantage of it! Whether it is legal or not it is very undesirable and governments tend to avoid such legislation. It undermines the principle that every one is equal under the law.

If Dobson want to introduce a lottery then the ROH has as much right to apply (and get) grants from then any other institution.

But it just shows you Dobson's grasp of the basic principles of law.


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Susie

22-03-00, 11:18 AM (GMT)
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8. "RE: Dobson and Livingstone view on the ROH"
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   I join Stuart in asking for elucidation, Jonathan. In the first place what are you refering to when you say "art"? And can or should the arts or artworks or whatever it is you mean really be described as commodities? Is that the primary role the arts or "art" play in people's lives? And to what sorts of communities are you refering?


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