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Bruce Madmin

16-02-00, 08:25 AM (GMT)
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"POB X"
 
   It had to happen - POB 10 is now open for business...


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  Subject     Author     Message Date     ID  
  RE: POB X Catherine 16-02-00 1
     RE: POB X Catherine 16-02-00 2
     RE: POB X Bruce Madmin 16-02-00 3
         RE: POB X Estelle 16-02-00 4
             RE: POB X Catherine 16-02-00 6
             RE: POB X Estelle 16-02-00 7
                 RE: POB X Catherine 16-02-00 8
             RE: POB X Bruce Madmin 16-02-00 27
         RE: POB X Catherine 16-02-00 5
             RE: POB X Estelle 16-02-00 9
                 RE: POB X Catherine 16-02-00 11
             RE: POB X Eugene 16-02-00 10
                 RE: POB X Catherine 16-02-00 12
                     RE: POB X Marie 16-02-00 19
                         RE: POB X Kevin Ng 16-02-00 24
                             RE: POB X Catherine 16-02-00 25
                             RE: POB X Marie 16-02-00 31
                 RE: POB X Estelle 16-02-00 13
                     RE: POB X Kevin Ng 16-02-00 14
                         RE: POB X Catherine 16-02-00 16
                             RE: POB X Kevin Ng 16-02-00 17
                             RE: POB X Catherine 16-02-00 21
                             RE: POB X Kevin Ng 16-02-00 23
                             RE: POB X Marie 16-02-00 20
                             RE: POB X Catherine 16-02-00 22
                             RE: POB X Marie 16-02-00 26
                     RE: POB X Catherine 16-02-00 15
                         RE: POB X Eugene Merrett 16-02-00 18
                             RE: POB X Terry 16-02-00 30
                 RE: POB X Bruce Madmin 16-02-00 28
                     RE: POB X Eugene Merrett 16-02-00 29
                         RE: POB X Bruce Madmin 17-02-00 33
             RE: POB X Bruce Madmin 17-02-00 32

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Catherine

16-02-00, 10:00 AM (GMT)
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1. "RE: POB X"
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   Bruce,

What do you think about POB ?


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Catherine

16-02-00, 12:33 PM (GMT)
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2. "RE: POB X"
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   Au fait c'est bien Abbagnato qui fera la mort aux côtés de Bélingard, dans le Jeune homme et ma mort, le 5 mars en matinée.

It will be Abbagnato in side of Bélingard the next 5 march in Jeune homme et la mort.


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Bruce Madmin

16-02-00, 12:53 PM (GMT)
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3. "RE: POB X"
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   That puts me on the spot! But thanks for asking....

Sadly I have only ever seen POB once - Sleeping B with Maurin and Legris. There is a review in the database I think. I was amazed and stunned by Legris and appalled by Maurin who seemed to have zero personality and to create no excitement whatsoever. I'm afarid that for me technique alone, no matter how good, just doesn't do it. It was the same with Agnes Letestu when she appeared in the ENB Nutcracker this Christmas. It was a terrible disappointment and I'm starting to think its my response to perhaps the style of some Paris ballerinas? It might be that I would appreciate it more if I saw it some more though!

I'm looking forward to seeing the Bayadere when they come over to the UK in May, but I keep thinking I really ought to get over to Paris some more. Talking of which what recommendations can people make for programmes coming up? And... where are good places to stay in central Paris!?


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Estelle

16-02-00, 01:38 PM (GMT)
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4. "RE: POB X"
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   Bruce, I think that Letestu can't be judged on only one performance, moreover in a ballet she's not familiar with and not with her home company...
She's often been blamed for some "coldness", but I think she's improved quite a lot in recent years.

Have you seen some POB videos? Most are Nureyev's productions ("Romeo and Juliet", "La Bayadere", "Cinderella",
"The Nutcracker"... and a video of his "Sleeping Beauty" should be released soon), and there are things that I don't like in his choreographies,
but they provide a good opportunity to see the dancers of the company (there also is a video of Burmeister's "Swan Lake", Petit's "Notre-Dame de Paris", and a "Paris dances Diaghilev" video with works by Fokine, Nijinsky and Nijinska). For example, have a look at Isabelle Guerin and Elisabeth Platel in "La Bayadere", or
at Manuel Legris and Monique Loudieres in "Romeo and Juliet", they're really worth seeing! Guerin can also be seen in the "Balanchine celebration" video (dancing Terpsichore in "Apollo").

The end of the POB season will be quite rich. There will be a Roland Petit program very soon. It includes some early works by Petit, which are in my opinion his best works. (But it might be difficult to get seats now...)
The end of the season will include some classical works (Bart's production of "Giselle", Nureyev's production of "Cinderella" and "Raymonda") and some modern works (Carlson's "Signes", some new works by Mats Ek and Ohad Naharin), and the POB school's program.
Some productions are danced simultaneously ("Cinderella"/ "Signes", "Giselle"/ "Raymonda"), so you might be able to see two programs in the same week-end.


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Catherine

16-02-00, 01:45 PM (GMT)
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6. "RE: POB X"
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   Je pense que Bruce est quelque peu dur avec Agnès surtout que dans le style, Casse-Noisette n'est pas un ballet où l'on puisse vraiment exprimer quelque chose. Cela me semble évident surtout dans un pas de deux.
Bruce I think you must judge Letestu on other rule than Nutcraker plum sugar Fairy, because it's evident it's the kind of rule more technical than artistic.


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Estelle

16-02-00, 01:47 PM (GMT)
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7. "RE: POB X"
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   Catherine, savez-vous pourquoi c'est finalement Abbagnato qui dansera le 5? Est-ce un choix de la direction, ou est-ce Osta qui a refuse de danser ce role?

Et est-ce que les autres distributions seront v
bien celles qui avaient ete annoncees?

Catherine, do you know why it will be Abbagnato who will dance on March 5 in "Le jeune homme et la mort", instead of Osta? Was it the direction who chose Abbagnato, or was it because Osta finally refused to dance that role?

And will the other casts be those which were officially announced?


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Catherine

16-02-00, 01:51 PM (GMT)
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8. "RE: POB X"
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   C'est un choix de la direction car Osta était programmée, elle ne le savait pas et avait dit qu'elle aimerait faire la mort, ou même simplement être remplaçante sur Carmen.
De plus Roland PEtit devait revoir sa version du jeune homme pour en faire un duo amoureux, le jeune homme amoureux de la mort. Va-t'il le faire pour Abbagnato, Bélingard vu qu'ils sont aussi ensemble dans la vie.

Je ne pense pas qu'Osta aurait refusé un tel rôle.
Ceci étant sans doute pour une fois Le Riche n'a-t-il pas eu le poids nécessaire pour l'imposet. Je ne m'en plaindrai pas, je n'imagine en aucune sorte une mort petite, et je ne vois pas plus Abbagnato dans le rôle


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Bruce Madmin

16-02-00, 05:07 PM (GMT)
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27. "RE: POB X"
In response to message #4
 
   >Bruce, I think that Letestu can't be
>judged on only one performance, moreover
>in a ballet she's not familiar
>with and not with her home
>company... She's often been blamed for
>some "coldness", but I think she's
>improved quite a lot in recent
>years.

I should have said - I would of course love to see Agnes again and I didn't mean to imply she was no good at all based on a single viewing. But the coldness was a big surprise....

>Have you seen some POB videos? Most
>are Nureyev's productions ("Romeo and Juliet",
>"La Bayadere", "Cinderella", "The Nutcracker"... and
>a video of his "Sleeping Beauty"
>should be released soon), and there
>are things that I don't like
>in his choreographies, but they provide
>a good opportunity to see the
>dancers of the company (there also
>is a video of Burmeister's "Swan
>Lake", Petit's "Notre-Dame de Paris", and
> a "Paris dances Diaghilev" video
>with works by Fokine, Nijinsky and
>Nijinska). For example, have a look
>at Isabelle Guerin and Elisabeth Platel
>in "La Bayadere", or at Manuel
>Legris and Monique Loudieres in "Romeo
>and Juliet", they're really worth seeing!
>Guerin can also be seen in
>the "Balanchine celebration" video (dancing Terpsichore
>in "Apollo").


We have soem videos, but I find them a totaly different experience to seeing live ballet and I feel very ill at ease using them as points of reference. Does not mean I don't enjoy them of course.

>The end of the POB season will
>be quite rich. There will be
>a Roland Petit program very soon.
>It includes some early works by
>Petit, which are in my opinion
>his best works. (But it might
>be difficult to get seats now...)
>The end of the season will
>include some classical works (Bart's production
>of "Giselle", Nureyev's production of "Cinderella"
>and "Raymonda") and some modern works
>(Carlson's "Signes", some new works by
>Mats Ek and Ohad Naharin), and
>the POB school's program. Some productions
>are danced simultaneously ("Cinderella"/ "Signes", "Giselle"/
>"Raymonda"), so you might be able
>to see two programs in the
>same week-end.

Thansk for that - 2 programes sounds like a nice thing to try for!


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Catherine

16-02-00, 01:41 PM (GMT)
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5. "RE: POB X"
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   I'm not surprised you don't find french opera etoile like Maurin or Letestu cold. It's the same thing for Dupont, even I love really her. But I thnik they put the POB dancers to be technical machine, they don't have any artistic. I thnik it's important but for female dancer I think it's the problem of Guillem which is at the beginning. I thnik it's the example of ballerina technically very strong but not acting at all at the beginning. She was absolutely wonderful in Bejart or Forsythe but when I saw her in Bayadère I found her not great. For me the better ballerina was Loudières she was a technical dancer but she was playing and when she danced with Legris, she made a couple absolutely wonderful. I never saw better Romeo and Juliet than the one they give in 1996 which were filmed. She had an emotion. when she creates Manon at Paris, she was absolutely exciting, she believed in the character and she feels so emotion.
An other good dancer but not technical is Fanny Gaida she comes to dance Bayadère in Salford, with Legris and Moussin as Gamzatti. Someone said she has no technic, but it's an other talent, she's artistic, lyric and we believe to the play with her. Platel was beautiful but she's not an actress and I think it's so important for Story ballet, to seem to say something.
Arbo is a technical dancer. At Salford the other cast is Letestu, Dupont, Hilaire, I know that Bart makes one performance but i don't know with which dancer perhaps Marie-Agnès Gillot as Gamzatti, she was great. Technically and acting. I think the twice are important.

In the following weeks, we must see the Roland Petit Programm because it's three short ballet but completely important for Dance story especially Jeune Homme et la mort. Carmen is interesting by the new cast than Aurélie Dupont with Manuel Legris which changes his repertory. I think he could "avoir marre" of the silly prince. He was wonderful in NOTRE DAME DE PARIS and l'arlésienne two pieces of PEtit.
The reprise of Cinderella was exciting too because which dancer could succeed to Guillem in principal rule. The ballet was create for her and it's interesting to look after Letestu, Pietragalla who will come for four dates, Arbo, Gaida, Moussin I don't imagine Maurin in this rule, she is too small, she doesn't rise legs. She is absolutely not the character.
Maurin was not ever cold. I remember her in Fall river legend or Juliet she was absolutely superb. And it could seem funny but when she makes Odette two years ago, she was absolutely wonderful because, she made things with her body, her arms absolutely wonderful in white swan and in Black Swan she was technical but she was a "garce" she was extraordinary. But in Sleeping Beauty, it's not at all an Aurora and she never was one.

After i don't know what could be the mondial creation by Ek and NAharin I don't know what's the matter of it. Giselle and Raymonda are ending the season. Guillem come for Giselle but I don't see her in this rule. And Platel will dance Raymonda.

I hope the next season was more interesting.
I know they must dance theorically Ladys of Camelias by Neumeier, Raymonda, and Nutcraker


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Estelle

16-02-00, 01:53 PM (GMT)
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9. "RE: POB X"
In response to message #5
 
   Catherine, vous qualifiez Arbo de "technique", mais je trouve que dans certains roles elle peut aussi faire preuve de bons talents d'actrice. Par exemple, l'an dernier je l'avais vue dans la meme soiree dans "In the Night", ou elle dansait le 3eme couple ("orageux") avec Romoli, et ensuite dans le role de la "reveuse" de "The Concert", et je l'avais trouvee tres brillante dans ces deux roles. (Et l'ami americain qui etait avec moi etait surpris par la force de leur interpretation dans "In the night", moins comique et plus tragique qu'au New York City Ballet).

Catherine, you wrote that Arbo is a "technical dancer", but I think she also has some acting talents. Last year, I saw her in the same program in Robbins's "In the night" dancing the "stormy" passionate third couple with Romoli, and in "The Concert", dancing the comical dreaming young women, and she was very good in both characters.


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Catherine

16-02-00, 02:05 PM (GMT)
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11. "RE: POB X"
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   Si je qualifie Arbo de technique c'est qu'au départ elle s'est surtout illustrée dans des rôles comme Etudes, Palais de cristal, tous les Balanchine. Je dois dire que j'aime beaucoup la personnalité de Carole mais je pense si elle a un certain charisme, elle n'a pas le lyrisme et la poésie de certaines autres danseuses notamment Gaïda. Il est vrai que dans In the Night ou dans le concert, son côté femme la sert dans ce style de rôle, par contre il la dessert totalement pour d'autres rôles et je ne pense pas que Cendrillon soit un rôle pour elle. je la vois plus travailler dans un esprit technique les "rôles", son cygne était axé sur le parfait mouvement des bras et du dos, mais elle ne le jouait pas, ceci étant elle ne l'a fait qu'une fois l'an passé car Jean-Guillaume s'étant blessé, ils avaient donné ses deux autres dates à Letestu qui elle aussi accentue le côté technique, cela donne un côté bizarre à ces prestations c'est superbe, mais c'est froid, tout est trop étudié. Il n'y a aucune place pour la spontaneité. Mais je pense que c'est cela qui manque à toutes les étoiles de l'Opéra, elles sont parfaites, elles étudient tout merveilleusement mais je ne ressens plus ce que je ressentais avec une Loudières qui n'était jamais semblable, qui vivait tant ses rôles que c'était difficile pour toutes les autres danseuses de passer après.


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Eugene

16-02-00, 01:58 PM (GMT)
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10. "RE: POB X"
In response to message #5
 
   Finally someone has made a comment about Maurin. Judging from her Nutcracker technically she is nothing to write home about and has very average acting ability.

My personally view of the Paris Opera is that they were the worlds best in the early 90s but the new crop of principles are not as good as the previous bunch who are now retiring. The decline seems inevitable. I also thing that Nureyev production are mostly downright terrible except La Bayadere and Cinderella(I have not seen his Don Q).

It is amazing how ballet companies resemble Sports Teams in that they have great years and bad years. The RB is definitely in its bad years.

I should also point out that it is very easier for us Brits to go over to see the Paris Opera. Until the end of April Eurostar are offering £45 day returns on Monday. That is perfect for sunday matinees which the pob do alot of. But if you want to drive Le Shuttle are offering tickets at £31 for a Sunday Day trip (Book in advance and quote Kent Messenger). With two or more people in a car it will work out cheaper then going to London probably. The best tickets are £40


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Catherine

16-02-00, 02:12 PM (GMT)
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12. "RE: POB X"
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   I think Opera declines too and I continue to see them to hope to find the rare pearl.
Maurin was good some years ago, but she's too tall and if some rules are made for her, too many other don't be for her. or are not more for her.
Against, Maurin was a Noureev protected she danced with him Giselle, and he choosed her to interpret Clara in his Nutcracker.
I know that since I know Maurin, sometimes she was absolutely wonderful especially in playing rule as Fall river Legend, Juliet, but she has also pound problems and it's difficult to see her sometimes especially this year in Sleeping Beauty, she was bad. I prefer the coldest Dupont less have she the age of Aurora or even Letestu.
I think if Lefevre continues to manage the company like that, we don't have any good dancer before a long time and she doesn't cast them. I don't udnerstand why Gillot will dance just perhaps Raymonda at the end of the season.


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Marie

16-02-00, 03:19 PM (GMT)
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19. "RE: POB X"
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   <I think if Lefèvre continues to manage the company like that , we don't have any good dancer before a long time and she doesn't cast them.

I agree with you.Lefèvre is not a good manager.Catherine , which dancers do you like to see more in big roles?
I think that the future big talents are in the young coryphées and quadrilles.The problem is that there is too much of hierarchy , it is not good for the young talents.Let's take the case of Emilie Cozette.In 1998 she won the first prize of Concours international de Paris in junior category.The same year and in the same category , Yosvani Ramos from Jeune Ballet de France won also the first prize.Last spring he was surnuméraire at POB(not even quadrille).Today he is soloist at ENB and he can dance big roles.If he stayed at POB he would be today a member of corps de ballet.I think that Brigitte Lefèvre should do like Noureev , take a young talented and give her/him a chance , like he did with Sylvie Guillem ,Nicolas Le Riche and others.Lefèvre wants to do that with Bélingard and Abbagnato but she is wrong.Her intuitions , eyes are not very clever.She wants to make Abbagnato the future star of the Opéra just because of her looks.OK , Abbagnato resembles to Makarova and has long legs but her technique is not sure and she is not mature.I much prefer Emilie Cozette.With Bélingard , it's the same thing but the contrary.He doesn't look great but is very athletic-a bit like Cuban dancers.He is stocky ,too virile and savage.He is not elegant , he doesn't dance with elegance, he doesn't represent "école française" of Serge Peretti , Ricaux ,Vestris and so on.She should better have a look on Nicolas Paul , Hervé Moreau and so on.Is she blind or what?


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Kevin Ng

16-02-00, 03:51 PM (GMT)
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24. "RE: POB X"
In response to message #19
 
   Marie, mais peut-etre vous et Catherine veuillez considerer ecrire a Madame Lefevre pour lui recommender le talent unique de Nicolas Paul et des autres.


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Catherine

16-02-00, 04:57 PM (GMT)
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25. "RE: POB X"
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   Cher Kevin,

Vous savez cela ne sert pas à grand chose de parler à Lefèvre même pour évoquer les ballets qu'on aimerait voir les saisons d'après. elle s'en moque. Elle a l'air d'écouter, mais s'en moque sous des aspects très sympathiques, c'est quelqu'un de très désagréable.
C'est du style à demander "Elle était bien ma distribution", en montrant très bien qu'elle veut qu'on acquiesse même si on n'a pas l'air d'accord.
Je dois dire que je ne pense pas que la relève soit là même chez les coryphées et les quadrilles certes ils dansent bien, mais ce n'est pas comme en 1990, où on voyait danser Le Riche, MArtinez, Bart Bridart, et qu'on se disait ceux-là ils feront quelque chose. Personnellement j'espère plus que je ne pense qu'ils soient bons. Ils sont bons mais pas de là à faire des étoiles.
De toute façon à ce moment-là même si Bélingard est trapu, il danse très bien et cela on ne peut pas le nier, mais ce n'est pas le danseur dont l'Opéra a besoin tout comme Saiz d'ailleurs.


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Marie

16-02-00, 10:26 PM (GMT)
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31. "RE: POB X"
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   Alors , Catherine , quel est le danseur dont a besoin l'Opéra?


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Estelle

16-02-00, 02:15 PM (GMT)
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13. "RE: POB X"
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   Eugene, in which Nutcracker and when did you see Maurin? I find you very severe with her. All dancers can have bad days, or may be unsuited to some roles... Maurin isn't one of my favorite dancers, but I found her very good in some roles (for example in the recent new work by Kelemenis "Reversibilite").

About the POB dancers in general, well, one can't expect to see a new Elisabeth Platel every day, and also perhaps there are some coaching/ repertory problems, as in many companies (too many videos, not enough personal coaching, not enough rehearsal time, etc.) But it seems to me that there still are many excellent dancers, and for example Jean-Guillaume Bart could be a very bright principal dancer in the next years.


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Kevin Ng

16-02-00, 02:30 PM (GMT)
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14. "RE: POB X"
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   J'aime beaucoup Elisabeth Maurin, meme si elle n'est pas aussi celebree comme Isabelle Guerin par exemple. L'annee derniere je l'ai vue danser deux roles. D'abord Nikiya dans "La Bayadere", et j'etais impressionne par son interpretation. Elle a de jolis pieds bien cintres, et sa technique etait formidable. Et j'ai vu comme Odette-Odile dans la production de Noureev. Ici elle manquait pourtant un peu d'emotion riche.


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Catherine

16-02-00, 02:35 PM (GMT)
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16. "RE: POB X"
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   Guérin est le type même de la danseuse qui m'exaspère, belle technicienne je ne nie pas, elle est incapable de jouer réellement, tout le monde la trouve géniale, je n'arrive pas à comprendre, qu'elle danse Bayadère ou Juliette elle aura la même expression triste, compassée alors que si elle danse du contemporain elle aura le sourire plaqué aux lèvres.
Maurin est inégale, je dois dire que j'ai été horriblement déçue par sa Bayadère, il me semble qu'elle est trop petite pour le rôle sans critères de physique, il me semble que certains rôles d'adressent plus à des grandes danseuses style Lac (où c'est vrai elle a été magnifique, il y a deux ans, cette fois-ci, elle a été atroce), Bayadère, d'autres à des petites style Belle au bois dormant, Casse-Noisette. Raymonda convient aux deux mais là il faut être une super technicienne surtout dans la version Noureev car là Gaïda que pourtant j'adore m'a déçue


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Kevin Ng

16-02-00, 02:58 PM (GMT)
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17. "RE: POB X"
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   Catherine, mais avez vous vu Guerin comme la ballerine dans le ballet "The Concert" de Jerome Robbins? Elle etait tres convaincante dans le role. Je me souviens encore de son style chic et sa personalite vivante. Mais je ne l'ai pas vue en Nikiya dans La Bayadere.


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Catherine

16-02-00, 03:33 PM (GMT)
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21. "RE: POB X"
In response to message #17
 
   J'ai vu Guérin dans The Concert effectivement, elle y est très bien comme dans In the Night, mais je pense que Robbins veut toujours voir le même travail sur tous les danseurs qu'ils emploient et qu'ils leur laissaient fort peu de liberté quand je vois The Concert par le NYCB ou ar l'Opéra je ne vois strictement aucune différence réelle artistiquement parlant. Les moues sont les mêmes.

Maurin était 1ère danseuse à l'époque de ce Casse-Noisette qui a été tourné en studio, elle a d'ailleurs été nommée dans les studios. Je ne vois pas comment on peut juge sur juste cette variation Maurin. Cette variation est d'une difficulté technique inouie et c'est plus ce que l'on attend de toute danseuse qui fait Clara qu'autre chose. Dans le reste du ballet, elle est changeante. Ceci étant ce document date de 1987 il a donc près de 13 ans. Maurin a évolué depuis.

You're hard Eugene because Maurin was again 1ère danseuse when they made Nutcraker. It was danced in Studios, not live on stage at all. You can dance in the same way when you are before a public or when you're just before a camera. She was nominated Etoile on the release of the ballet. I don't know if the ballet was dance in the order normal or in an other order. Against, it's a technical variation at the end,the Nureyev variation is very hard and I never see really very good Clara in this variation.
Did you see Maurin in other rule than this video, against it's different on stage live or in a studio where floor is not the same that on stage, rehearsal conditions are not the same.


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Kevin Ng

16-02-00, 03:44 PM (GMT)
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23. "RE: POB X"
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   Catherine, you are right. I forgot that Isabelle Guerin also danced in the third couple last April in Robbins' "In the Night" in the same programme as "The Concert". Guerin also guested with NYCB about 2 years ago, and I saw her in Balanchine's "Stravinsky Violin Concerto".


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Marie

16-02-00, 03:23 PM (GMT)
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20. "RE: POB X"
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   Tout à fait d'accord avec vous , Catherine! Je trouve que Guérin a toujours eu un sourire niais.


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Catherine

16-02-00, 03:39 PM (GMT)
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22. "RE: POB X"
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   Je suis contente Marie que vous soyez d'accord avec moi sur Guérin car quand j'entends tout le monde se pâmer devant elle, je ne comprends pas. Je ne peux pas dire que ce ne soit pas une bonne danseuse, mais elle m'a toujours énervée. De plus cette espère d'auréole qu'on lui a mise et qui en fait la soi-disant "Prima ballerina assoluta" m'a toujours semblé surfaite, je n'ai jamais cru une seule fois à une interprétation de Guérin.
Certains soir je me demande si je suis la seule à penser que Guérin n'est pas aussi divine qu'il y paraît où si d'autres personnes partagent mon point de vue. Je trouve que ce qu'elle fait est toujours fabriqué. Il n'y ajamais de place pour l'émotion, la seule fois où je l'ai trouvée vraiment sensationnelle en Nikya c'est quand elle l'a dansé avec LEgris à Bastille en juin 1994. Elle était différente, je crois que de toujours danser avec Hilaire l'atrophie, elle devrait changer de partenaire plus souvent. vous allez me dire qu'elle danse avec Nicolas mais là la différence d'âge joue en sa défaveur et sa Juliette n'est crédible qu'au 3e acte.


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Marie

16-02-00, 05:01 PM (GMT)
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26. "RE: POB X"
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   Avez-vous vu Guérin dans la vidéo de Cendrillon?A côté de Guillem elle était insignifiante.Il faut dire que le rôle s'y prête peu.Le peu de fois que j'ai vu Guérin danser je lui ai toujours trouvé un air artificiel , surfait voire hypocrite.Elle danse bien mais elle ne m'a pas vraiment touchée.Pour en revenir à la vidéo je trouve qu'elle a un buste trop épais un peu à la manière des joueurs de rugby.On dirait un mastodonte à côté de Guillem.Il faut dire qu'elle a amélioré ce physique de camionneur et il n'en paraît rien sur la vidéo de La bayadère.Guillem me semble incroyable sur cette vidéo et je regrette de ne pas l'avoir vue à cette époque.Elle avait l'air bien mieux que maintenant.Je ne dis pas qu'elle n'est pas bien mais en ayant vu sa Belle en janvier et préalablement DQ et le Lac , je trouve qu'elle danse trop en "professionnelle" , pas assez comme une artiste , elle fait un show à l'américaine.ce qui me paraît assez gênant , c'est qu'elle sourit trop et tout le temps.C'est peut-être parcequ'on lui a reproché d'être froide.Il me semble que tout est excessif mais peut-être est-ce un truc de pros parceque la salle est grande et que même ceux qui sont au dernier rang doivent pouvoir voir.Désolé pour nos amis anglais mais il me semble que sa période la plus féconde et la plus enrichissante pour elle était avec l'Opéra.Depuis , il me semble qu'elle ne fait que du "rabachage" de vieilles choses.Dommage parcequ'elle mériterait mieux que ça.Son problème est de vouloir tout faire soi-même et de croire que ses goûts artistiques sont excellents.Elle est partie de l'Opéra sur un coup de tête ,comme une forme de pied de nez à Noureev , elle s'est comportée en petite fille gâtée et capricieuse et elle a dû bien le regretter depuis.Par orgueil elle ne s'imagine pas revenir à l'Opéra car elle considèrerait cela comme un échec , l'aveu d'une erreur personnelle.En Angleterre elle a dû passer par des moments de doute et son intégration n'a pas dû être facile , peut-être est -elle devenue moins têtue.Dommage que Guillem ait été aussi têtue et Noureev aussi intransigeant et tyrannique.C'est tout de même navrant d'avoir laissé partir un tel joyau.N'y-avait-il personne pour s'opposer à Noureev?C'est incroyable!J'ai une impression mitigée de Noureev.Il a peut-être revigoré l'Opéra mais en même temps il s'en est servi pour monter ses versions de tous les grands classiques.Ses chorégraphies me semblent parfois inutilement trop difficiles et sans émotion.Je pense qu'il a fait de l'Opéra sa "chose" et des danseurs qu'il a nommés étoiles ses choses.Guillem a dû en avoir marre.Il me semble que Noureev a toujours travaillé pour sa propre gloire.


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Catherine

16-02-00, 02:31 PM (GMT)
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15. "RE: POB X"
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   I'm agree with Eugene about the side bad team and I find we don't have the personnality we have before. Especially in the girl side. in fact, Martinez or Bart are really very good dancer as Legris too even he can't dance all as before.
Hilaire is changing his repertory and it's a "reussite". To dance Montalvo, Preljocaj he is absolutely great.
I don't think we have again couple as LEgris and Loudières, the POB level is high certainly technically more high than RB but we don't have artistic dancer. They forget they have playing too in too many ballets.
I think for mixed bill they are the better troup because they can all dance, but i'm not sure for the great classical ballet than some personnality are more important than Opera.
Don't worry I stay a fidele POB's lover, and I continue to hope to see the next Loudières, perhaps Dupont with age could become a great artist because when we saw her at her beginning career and now she's completely different. She's less cold. I think Pina Bausch experience has mark french spirits of her interprets.
Wait and see


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Eugene Merrett

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18. "RE: POB X"
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   Estelle - I only saw her in the video of the Nutcracker - aweful Nureyev production with very charmless costumes. Her Sugar Plum Fairy Variation was not impressive at all.

The POB really flowered in the late 80s. No other company had dancers like Loudiers, Platel, Guerein. Jude, Hillaire etc in their line up. But no school can generate such talent on a continual basis. It is impossible for such high standards to be maintained. Dancers grow old and have to retired.


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Terry

16-02-00, 07:48 PM (GMT)
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30. "RE: POB X"
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   I agree with what many of you are saying...there was a wide range of wonderful dancers in the late 80s/early 90s with Guerin, Pietragalla, Platel, and Loudieres, who all possessed different qualities...but now, the young generation seems to be losing it all...for me, Letestu, Gillot, Dupont all seem to carry the "cold" attitude although they've got astounding techniques -- their personalities all look the same...no one excites the audience as Loudieres or Platel did with their charm. Compared to RB (Durante, Yoshida, etc.) and SFB (especially Lucia Lacarra, Tan Yuan Yuan), I do think many of them lack their own individuality/uniqueness...I do hope that the artistic level does go up...perhaps Emilie Cozette might be able to bring back the standards...=)


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Bruce Madmin

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28. "RE: POB X"
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   >My personally view of the Paris Opera
>is that they were the worlds
>best in the early 90s

No sweeping statements here then!


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29. "RE: POB X"
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   Bruce -I said it was my personal opinion - meaning that should not be seen as a absolute statment of fact buy my own judgemental view.

As long you put the proviso "personal opinion" the broad sweeping statements are perhaps permissable.


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Bruce Madmin

17-02-00, 08:21 AM (GMT)
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33. "RE: POB X"
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   >Bruce -I said it was my personal
>opinion - meaning that should not
>be seen as a absolute statment
>of fact buy my own judgemental
>view.
>As long you put the proviso "personal
>opinion" the broad sweeping statements
>are perhaps permissable.

All true, but we discuss, debate and have fun with personal opinions here - or it would be a very dead place.

And I still can't even begin to comprehend how you get to such a conclusion (that POB were the best company in the world in the late 1980's). There are only a handful of critics that probably have the breadth of experience to make such judgements. Surely you need to have seen all the top companies many times in the late 80's and early 90's in order to draw such conclusions? I make points elsewhere about video - but in a nutshell I don't think it can be relied upon to sum up a company at a given time - especially given the magnitude of the conclusion you appear to draw.



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Bruce Madmin

17-02-00, 08:06 AM (GMT)
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32. "RE: POB X"
In response to message #5
 
   >I'm not surprised you don't find french
>opera etoile like Maurin or Letestu
>cold. It's the same thing for
>Dupont, even I love really her.
>But I thnik they put the
>POB dancers to be technical machine,
>they don't have any artistic. I
>thnik it's important but for female
>dancer I think it's the problem
>of Guillem which is at the
>beginning. I thnik it's the example
>of ballerina technically very strong but
>not acting at all at the
>beginning. She was absolutely wonderful in
>Bejart or Forsythe but when I
>saw her in Bayadère I found
>her not great.

I think Guillem has now learned much on the dramatic side of ballet. She also has amazing rapport with the audience - there is no feeling of 'distence' or coldness these days.


>For me the
>better ballerina was Loudières she was
>a technical dancer but she was
>playing and when she danced with
>Legris, she made a couple absolutely
>wonderful. I never saw better Romeo
>and Juliet than the one they
>give in 1996 which were filmed.
>She had an emotion. when she
>creates Manon at Paris, she was
>absolutely exciting, she believed in the
>character and she feels so emotion.
>An other good dancer but not
>technical is Fanny Gaida she comes
>to dance Bayadère in Salford, with
>Legris and Moussin as Gamzatti. Someone
>said she has no technic, but
>it's an other talent, she's artistic,
>lyric and we believe to the
>play with her. Platel was beautiful
>but she's not an actress and
>I think it's so important for
>Story ballet, to seem to say
>something.

yes, yes, yes!

I'm not sure on which date or dates I might be in Salford - but thank you for teh views on the casts. But whatever night(s) I go there will be things to learn I'm sure.


> Arbo is a technical dancer.
>At Salford the other cast is
>Letestu, Dupont, Hilaire, I know that
>Bart makes one performance but i
>don't know with which dancer perhaps
>Marie-Agnès Gillot as Gamzatti, she was
>great. Technically and acting. I think
>the twice are important.

>In the following weeks, we must see
>the Roland Petit Programm because it's
>three short ballet but completely important
>for Dance story especially Jeune Homme
>et la mort. Carmen is interesting
>by the new cast than Aurélie
>Dupont with Manuel Legris which changes
>his repertory. I think he could
>"avoir marre" of the silly prince.
>He was wonderful in NOTRE DAME
>DE PARIS and l'arlésienne two
>pieces of PEtit. The reprise
>of Cinderella was exciting too because
>which dancer could succeed to Guillem
>in principal rule. The ballet was
>create for her and it's interesting
>to look after Letestu, Pietragalla who
>will come for four dates, Arbo,
>Gaida, Moussin I don't imagine Maurin
>in this rule, she is too
>small, she doesn't rise legs. She
>is absolutely not the character. Maurin
>was not ever cold. I remember
>her in Fall river legend or
>Juliet she was absolutely superb. And
>it could seem funny but when
>she makes Odette two years ago,
>she was absolutely wonderful because, she
>made things with her body, her
>arms absolutely wonderful in white swan
>and in Black Swan she was
>technical but she was a "garce"
>she was extraordinary. But in Sleeping
>Beauty, it's not at all an
>Aurora and she never was one.
>
>After i don't know what could be
>the mondial creation by Ek and
>NAharin I don't know what's the
>matter of it. Giselle and Raymonda
>are ending the season. Guillem come
>for Giselle but I don't see
>her in this rule. And Platel
>will dance Raymonda.
>I hope the next season was more
>interesting. I know they must dance
>theorically Ladys of Camelias by Neumeier,
>Raymonda, and Nutcraker

Guillem in Giselle I like and its a very special ballet to her - hence her own production for FNB (which I think you see in Paris next year?).

Goodness knows what I will see(!), but thank you for your thoughts and suggestions. Hope that we are able to say hello sometime.


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