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Bruce Madmin

02-02-00, 02:34 PM (GMT)
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"Next Mini-poll?"
 
   Ideas and possible answers please.... thanks muchly


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  Subject     Author     Message Date     ID  
  RE: Next Mini-poll? Bruce Madmin 03-02-00 1
     RE: Next Mini-poll? fuzzyface 03-02-00 2
         RE: Next Mini-poll? Eugene 03-02-00 3
             RE: Next Mini-poll? alison 04-02-00 15
                 RE: Next Mini-poll? Bruce Madmin 06-02-00 23
         Over-rated dancer Stephanie Wragg 03-02-00 5
             RE: Over-rated dancer Marie 03-02-00 7
             RE: Over-rated dancer Fuzzyface 03-02-00 9
                 RE: Over-rated dancer Eugene Merrett 03-02-00 10
                 RE: Over-rated dancer Anneliese 04-02-00 18
                     RE: Over-rated dancer Bruce Madmin 04-02-00 19
             RE: Over-rated dancer lucy joyce 03-02-00 12
         RE: Next Mini-poll? Bruce Madmin 06-02-00 22
     RE: Next Mini-poll? Jane S 03-02-00 4
         RE: Next Mini-poll? Eguene Merrett 03-02-00 6
         The next Poll will be... Bruce Madmin 07-02-00 26
  RE: Next Mini-poll? Terry 03-02-00 8
     RE: Next Mini-poll? Ann 03-02-00 11
         RE: Next Mini-poll? Lynette 04-02-00 13
             RE: Next Mini-poll? Anneliese 04-02-00 17
             RE: Next Mini-poll? Bruce Madmin 06-02-00 24
         RE: Next Mini-poll? Anneliese 04-02-00 16
     RE: Next Mini-poll? Bruce Madmin 07-02-00 25
  RE: Next Mini-poll? lucy joyce 04-02-00 14
  RE: Next Mini-poll? Catherine 05-02-00 20
     RE: Next Mini-poll? Bruce Madmin 06-02-00 21

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Bruce Madmin

03-02-00, 08:11 AM (GMT)
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1. "RE: Next Mini-poll?"
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   lets not be shy!


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fuzzyface

03-02-00, 09:19 AM (GMT)
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2. "RE: Next Mini-poll?"
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   How about most over-rated dancer? I can think of a few starting with Sylvie Guillem and Darcey Bussell!


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Eugene

03-02-00, 11:42 AM (GMT)
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3. "RE: Next Mini-poll?"
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   How about which well known work performed by other companies would you like see the RB perform

Suggestion

Sinfonietta
Western Symphony
La Sylphide
L'homme et la mort (sorry if that is not the exact name)
La Corsaire


etc


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alison

04-02-00, 05:50 PM (GMT)
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15. "RE: Next Mini-poll?"
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   ... and Onegin (desperate to see it *somewhere*!)


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Bruce Madmin

06-02-00, 11:55 PM (GMT)
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23. "RE: Next Mini-poll?"
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   Like this - must use at some point. However it is a bit London only and I'm keen for that *not* to be the case if possible.


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Stephanie Wragg

03-02-00, 02:33 PM (GMT)
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5. "Over-rated dancer"
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   Hi Fuzzy-face,

I don't think your suggestion will be accepted, as it is a bit negative....however I am glad to see someone else thinks Darcey Bussell is over-rated as a dancer (I disagree about Sylvie Guillem!).

I've seen her dance a couple of times and must admit that she leaves me cold. Her technique is good although not sensational (She is always wobbling and looking down at the floor in her balances) and her dramatic abilities limited. Apparently it is not wise to discuss this too loodly at the ROH as one could get attacked by a die-hard fan!!!

Let me know what you think and why Sylvie Guillem is over-rated!!


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Marie

03-02-00, 03:46 PM (GMT)
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7. "RE: Over-rated dancer"
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   I agree with you , Stephanie.Sorry for Darcey Bussell's english fans.It's often the case with quite a lot of dancers , for exemple Clairemarie Osta from POB.I don't think she deserves to be première danseuse , there are other better dancers than her .The fact is that she is the wife of Nicolas Le Riche (étoile) and that he supports her.


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Fuzzyface

03-02-00, 05:01 PM (GMT)
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9. "RE: Over-rated dancer"
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   Hello,
I think Bussell is very overated. She is fine in Balanchine, and other modern ballets where she can just dance. But she is no actress, and she is not really what I consider a true "classical" dancer. Her Beauty, Swan Queen & Bayadere were very unimpressive.

As for Guillem. Well, she has glamour and a rock solid technique, but I loathe the extreme way she uses her legs and body. She is like a one woman freak show, and if I wanted that, I would go to the circus!

Perhaps I could add Leanne Benjamin as well. But let's not be sexist! I think that Inaki Urlezaga is very over-rated too. He's just like a big lump!


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Eugene Merrett

03-02-00, 06:07 PM (GMT)
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10. "RE: Over-rated dancer"
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   The problems I have with Darcey is her lack of foot speed, precision and that rather terminally sweet look after a while becomes rather bland. But she has a great line, beautiful jumps and can look very good in many roles.

As for Gulliem I shall not say a word - some people believe that I MUST like her ultra leg extension or else. And that it her rather unconventianal interpretations of certain roles are beyond any critism whatsoever.


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Anneliese

04-02-00, 06:26 PM (GMT)
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18. "RE: Over-rated dancer"
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   I haven't seen Benjamin in much, but she's never really caught my eye at all. Any fans out there care to explain her good points to me?


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Bruce Madmin

04-02-00, 08:04 PM (GMT)
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19. "RE: Over-rated dancer"
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   Leanne is the consumate MacMillan dancer I think. Compare her to Durante in Judus Tree if you ever get a chance. Viviana, who created the role, is stunning but Leanne adds another dimension even. She is not so musical but what fun in seeing where she ends up at times - complete abandon to the drama of a piece.


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lucy joyce

03-02-00, 10:24 PM (GMT)
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12. "RE: Over-rated dancer"
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   I agree both Guillem and Bussell recieve to much media.
The R.B. have some wonderfull 1st soloists who are never metioned by the media i.e Valtat a beautifull lyrical dancer who handles the Big claaical beautifuly, but rarely gets the chance.
Hatley also can dance the classics, then we have principle dancer who so far has never danced in Swan Lake OR tHE Beauty
Wildor is a very nice dancer, but is she strong enough to dance the big ones? excluding Manon.
And why use so many male guest artists, lets give the Royal boys a chance.


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Bruce Madmin

06-02-00, 11:53 PM (GMT)
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22. "RE: Next Mini-poll?"
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   Well the thought appeals... but it is a tricky one to run I think!

Will leave for now unless everybody thinks its a real goody...


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Jane S

03-02-00, 01:20 PM (GMT)
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4. "RE: Next Mini-poll?"
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   How about: Which characteristic is most important to you in a dancer - technique/physique/personality/musicality/acting ability...?


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Eguene Merrett

03-02-00, 03:00 PM (GMT)
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6. "RE: Next Mini-poll?"
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   Sorry Jane but I do not think your suggestion is suitable for a poll. All dancers should have all these attributes. The only question is whether a dancer is stronger in one area then the other. It all about striking a balance between all those attributes. Some dancers strike a balance more in favour of technique then acting ability and vice versa. The issue is further complicated by what kind of ballet the dancers are peforming. For certain balliets such as RandJ acting abiltiy is more important then technique (again providing a certain level of technical competency is reach).

So I think that using a poll to vote on what attribute is more important oversimplifes an subtle and complex issue.


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Bruce Madmin

07-02-00, 00:03 AM (GMT)
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26. "The next Poll will be..."
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   Thanks Jane - lovely idea and I will set it up on Wednesday.

However does anybody have any more attributes they would like to suggest...


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Terry

03-02-00, 04:14 PM (GMT)
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8. "RE: Next Mini-poll?"
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   Who could possibly be the next "Guillem" / "Queen of Ballet"?
some possible choices....
-Tamara Rojo
-Tan Yuan Yuan
-Diana Vishneva
-Lucia Lacarra
-Paloma Herrera


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Ann

03-02-00, 06:53 PM (GMT)
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11. "RE: Next Mini-poll?"
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   I agree about Darcey (bit like a female version of 'Tim nice but dim'). Sylvie...well you have to take all her acrobatics, but.... those weird legs! Also agree about Inaki (stolid would be the word). Not many other male dancers suggested here. Any suggestions?


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Lynette

04-02-00, 09:03 AM (GMT)
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13. "RE: Next Mini-poll?"
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   How about

Who do you think is currently the best conductor for dance in the UK ?

There are some obvious names here from the Royal and BRB (Wordsworth, Twiner, Quinn), but there are probably a number of others that readers could suggest.


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Anneliese

04-02-00, 06:24 PM (GMT)
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17. "RE: Next Mini-poll?"
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   Lanchbery!


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Bruce Madmin

06-02-00, 11:57 PM (GMT)
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24. "RE: Next Mini-poll?"
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   Love this one and will return to it


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Anneliese

04-02-00, 06:23 PM (GMT)
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16. "RE: Next Mini-poll?"
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   Ann, you have said it all! Couldn't agree more! If you see Sylvie in a dress, her legs remind one of a newborn foal!


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Bruce Madmin

07-02-00, 00:01 AM (GMT)
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25. "RE: Next Mini-poll?"
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   Nice idea and I think we should do it sometime. The only prob is that this is world stage stuff and not so very many readers will have necessarily had the opportunity to see so many of the entrants...

(But I haven't called my Morgan Tamara for nothing!)


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lucy joyce

04-02-00, 09:53 AM (GMT)
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14. "RE: Next Mini-poll?"
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   balletomane of the year 2000, I am sure there are
enough names to put foreward,< Royal Ballet>
could be interesting, a lot of competition i,d imagin


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Catherine

05-02-00, 00:16 AM (GMT)
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20. "RE: Next Mini-poll?"
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   Bruce

Why don't you make a mini-poll about POB Dancer, which one of the etoile is the best. Don't put Guillem because she's "hors" competition.
I think english balletomanes know Legris, Hilaire, LE riche, Martinez it's less sure for Bart. For the ballerina, it's evident they are really unknown i think except perhaps Guérin or Letestu but you can try this sort of mini-poll


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Bruce Madmin

06-02-00, 11:51 PM (GMT)
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21. "RE: Next Mini-poll?"
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   Good idea - but I think we will leave until Le Riche has been over for M&A...


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