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Ana Claudia

01-11-99, 09:58 PM (GMT)
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"Manon Bits"
 
   I am desperately seeking the filmed version of the ballet Manon. Is there any?

Also, I believe that there aren't any recordings of the complete ballet but is there a way to find out which Massenet's concerts were orchestrated to the ballet? Most specifically the pas-de-deux of the bedroom?

Thank you for your attention!


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  Subject     Author     Message Date     ID  
  RE: Manon Bits Kate R 02-11-99 1
     RE: Manon Bits Eugene 02-11-99 2
         RE: Manon Bits Kate R 02-11-99 3
             RE: Manon Bits alison 03-11-99 4
                 RE: Manon Bits Kate R 03-11-99 6
             RE: Manon Bits Caitlyn 09-11-99 8
     RE: Manon Bits Jim 03-11-99 5
         RE: Manon Bits Stephanie 04-11-99 7
             RE: Manon Bits Tomoko.A 09-11-99 9
  RE: Manon Bits catherine 18-11-99 10

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Kate R

02-11-99, 09:39 AM (GMT)
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1. "RE: Manon Bits"
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   As to the music, part of the Act I scene II pas de deux is a song called "Open thy Blue Eyes", hence the trade nickname of the "Blue Eyes" pas de deux. I think that that is the second part of it. I believe, although I stand to be corrected, probably by Eugene, that the other part is a song from Cinderella.

There was a cd available of the music but it has been withdrawn. You can piece together the music but it is taken from a large number of sources and was heavily orchestrated for the ballet and therefore difficult to recognise in parts. Also Massenet's music is not widely available on cd.

A good starting point are the two cds from Naxos which have the orchestral suites. Another good one is entitled "The Last Song of the Virgin".


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Eugene

02-11-99, 12:03 PM (GMT)
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2. "RE: Manon Bits"
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   I think the the Blue is the main part of the pdd. The poignant music for the intro to the pdd when Manon tosses the pen aways is definitely from Cinderella.

There is a full lenght video with Dowell and Penny and David Wall as the baddie. It is no longer available in the shops I think but try the shop next to the Coliseum or Dance Books in Cecil Court. I think NVC are releasing many of these videos shot in the 80s


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Kate R

02-11-99, 05:10 PM (GMT)
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3. "RE: Manon Bits"
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   I had problems with posting earlier and only half of it hit the target. Here is what should have been the opening sentence.....

There are two videos of the ballet. One by the Royal Ballet and the other by Australian Ballet. The latter is released by ABC in Australia.


Thanks for the input Eugene. I knew you would know the answer. I have sent an email to Ana suggesting that she try David Leonard for the Royal Ballet version.


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alison

03-11-99, 01:12 PM (GMT)
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4. "RE: Manon Bits"
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   According to my clarinet book, the bit I keep whistling from Manon (bedroom pdd?) is called Elegie. More than that I can't say.


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Kate R

03-11-99, 08:19 PM (GMT)
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6. "RE: Manon Bits"
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   I think that Elegie is the Act I Scene I pdd.

Thank you for picking me up Jim. You are quite correct.


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Caitlyn

09-11-99, 01:28 AM (GMT)
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8. "RE: Manon Bits"
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   The Australian Ballet's production was filmed in 1994 and features Justine Summers as Manon, Stephen Heathcote as Des Grieux and Nigel Burley (now with the RB) as Lescaut. It's a good production and the first bedroom pdd is particularly terrific. The corps de ballet is good and many of the soloists are excellent. The pas de trois(?) for the three gentlemen in Act 2 is certainly much better than in the RB's production - the dancers actually manage to keep together which is more than can be said for the dancers in RB video. Personally I think the AB's production has a bit more pep than the RB's one - but then all of the above probably reeks of my Aussie bias. However, I would have to say that in the RB's version Dowell may have the edge over Heathcote in terms of technique.

Incidently, I read recently that Manon originally had an extra scene involving the Gaoler at the beginning of Act 3. Does anyone know anything about this? I got the impression it may have been dropped since it presented the Gaoler as a 'baddie' too overtly.


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Jim

03-11-99, 08:07 PM (GMT)
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5. "RE: Manon Bits"
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>A good starting point are the two
>cds from Naxos which have the
>orchestral suites. Another good one
>is entitled "The Last Song of
>the Virgin".

Kate, sorry if it sounds pernickerty, but it is actually "The last sleep of the Virgin (Le dernier sommeil de la Vierge)..



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Stephanie

04-11-99, 04:04 PM (GMT)
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7. "RE: Manon Bits"
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   I have kept a posting from Maria Zakreski from about this time last year - I'll copy what she wrote - sorry for any typos (I'm in a bit of a rush)
Manon - The Music

the music for Manon by Jules Massenet, arranged by Leighton Lucas and Hilda Gaunt is taken from the operas Le Cid, Griselda, Therese, Cinderella, Cleopatre, Don Quixote, Eve, Thais, Bacchus, Ariane, and Le Roi de Lahore, the orchestral works Secenes Alsacinnes, Scenes Pittoresques, Scens Dramatique, La navarrasi, Valse tres Lente, Chanson de Capri and Aubade de Cherubin.

The music for the Prelude to the ballet is from Le Dernier sommeil de las Vierge and the Cantata de la Vierge. The score for Act I, Scene I is derived from Aubade de Cherubin, Scenes Dramatique, Scenes Pittoresques, Le Cid, Creqpusculle, Pastorale from L'Esclaramonde, Frist Orchestral Suite, Scenes Dramatiques, Si to le Veux. Mognonne -- a song,Griselda, Thais, Ariange, Elegie, Menuet d'Amour from Therese. Act I Scene II: Cendrillon, Ouvre test Yexu Blues -- a song, Cendrillon, and a salon piece.

Act II, SCeneI: Sences Dramatique, Au Cabaret -- Scenes Alsacinnes, Arinae, Bacchus, a salon piece, Don QUixote, Cleopatre, Lo Roi de Lahore, Crepuscule, Air de Balelt, La Navarraise, Elegie Il Pluvait -- a song, Griselda, Cleopatre, SCENE II: Adam and Eve, Bacchus.

Act III, Scene I:Cendrillon, Griselda, Don Quixote, Cendrillon, Don Quixote, Don Quixote, Crepuscule, Sppho and Adam and Eve. SCENE II: Symposium of Hallucinations. SCENE III: La Vierge. La Vierge


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Tomoko.A

09-11-99, 11:16 PM (GMT)
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9. "RE: Manon Bits"
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   Another good one is a set of 2 CDs called simply
"MASSENET Suites for Orchestra" from ERATO.


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catherine

18-11-99, 12:07 PM (GMT)
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10. "RE: Manon Bits"
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   Hello,

It exist two offical version of Manon one by Covent Garden with Dowell and Penney and one by australian Ballet. The music was recorded by Lanchebrry and published by Decca. I have it on tape. It existed on CD but we don't find it.
I have also a private soirée from Paris Opera Ballet with Legris, Loudières, Belarbi and Pietragalla it was in 1990.

Catherine


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