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shag

01-11-99, 04:35 AM (GMT)
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"Mini-poll"
 
   What are the general parameters for salaries in the UK? If attorneys and executives regularly make 100k a year then I think dancers' renumeration should be similar but there is always a danger in economically quantifying art. Do we compare the dancer with a footballer or an Olympic athelete? or neither? Very different pay scales!


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  Subject     Author     Message Date     ID  
  RE: Mini-poll Eugene M 01-11-99 1
     RE: Mini-poll alison 03-11-99 2
         RE: Mini-poll Eugene 03-11-99 3
             RE: Mini-poll alison 04-11-99 4
                 RE: Mini-poll fuzzy face 04-11-99 5
                     RE: Mini-poll Eugene 04-11-99 6
                         RE: Mini-poll and dancers' salaries Susie 05-11-99 7

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Eugene M

01-11-99, 02:00 PM (GMT)
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1. "RE: Mini-poll"
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   I would think that in a competitive economy everyone gets paid what there worth. After the person who has to pay up is not doing out of the good of his/heart but because he/she has received valuable in return.

If someone can increase your profits by a million pounds you are going willing to pay him/her UP to that amount! Thats why athletes and show biz stars get paid big money. Think how much extra revenue Julia Roberts brings in in a film - that why she gets paid big money. To demand less money is charity on her behalf.

I do not think we should question the high salaries of anyone who works in a competitive free market. The exception is pay of directors of large corporations. Their renumeration is determined by a committee of their peers. It is their interest of these comittees to award big salaries.

Also there is a problem for those who work as NHS and teachers. Since the government is the only employer they have an unfair bargaining power. They drive nurses and teachers salaries down in order to meet spending targets and they cannot move to other jobs so easily.


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alison

03-11-99, 01:09 PM (GMT)
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   >I would think that in a competitive
>economy everyone gets paid what there
>worth. <

Dream on, Eugene!


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Eugene

03-11-99, 03:45 PM (GMT)
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3. "RE: Mini-poll"
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   The critical word is "competitive" ie lots of employers and workers.

If an a employer was paying less then they were worth they would loose them to other employers who recognize there true value. I know the feeling as I had to give pay rises to staff to prevent them from being poached by other night clubs in the area.

It is simply a matter of supply and demand. The demand for employees is determined by the profit they can contribute to the business. The supply is determined by the type of salaries that can be offered.


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alison

04-11-99, 01:15 PM (GMT)
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   That's fine, assuming that all other potential employers recognise their true value, which, believe me, many don't. (You should see the laughable salaries they offer in my field!)


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fuzzy face

04-11-99, 01:50 PM (GMT)
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   I am very intrigued. Is Eugene a night club owner or a DJ or something? I think we need an explanation


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Eugene

04-11-99, 04:26 PM (GMT)
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   I am in partnership with my brothers and parents in owning some bar night clubs. We have 2 at the moment but will expand to 6 next year. I am based in South London. I control all the financial aspects and have about 60 mostly partime employees. I take great pride in not have any staff working under me and therefore boast the lowest admin cost/turnover ratio in the business.


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Susie

05-11-99, 01:19 AM (GMT)
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7. "RE: Mini-poll and dancers' salaries"
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   If you want some interesting information about how much dancers earn outside the main large scale companies, you should refer to the Independent Dance Review Report commissioned by the Arts Council from Gill Clarke and Rachel Gibson. The case studies of some highly respected and experienced artists in the independent field put this debate into perspective. eg. Russell Maliphant, who estimated that he currently earns slightly less annually than he did when he left Sadler's Wells Royal Ballet in 1988. There is a dearth of detailed statistical evidence on incomes of dancers in small companies or working freelance on a portfolio of projects but it would appear that even top dancers in this area are earning around 10 or 12K a year - in a good year.


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