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Tomoko.A

24-10-99, 03:49 PM (GMT)
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"Marguerite and Armand"
 
   According to the booklet for the RB's period 2 season, which I received last week, Guillem is the only one who is casted for Marguerite. I cannot imagine her in this role. Why have RB decided on her ? I just wondered.


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  Subject     Author     Message Date     ID  
  RE: Marguerite and Armand Kevin Ng 24-10-99 1
     RE: Marguerite and Armand Tomoko.A 24-10-99 2
  RE: Marguerite and Armand Anneliese 25-10-99 3
     RE: Marguerite and Armand fuzzy face 26-10-99 4
         RE: Marguerite and Armand Susy 27-10-99 5
             RE: Marguerite and Armand Anneliese 27-10-99 6
                 RE: Marguerite and Armand fuzzy face 28-10-99 7
                     RE: Marguerite and Armand Karen 29-10-99 8
                         RE: Marguerite and Armand Susy 29-10-99 9
  RE: Marguerite and Armand Guido 04-11-99 10
     RE: Marguerite and Armand Anneliese 04-11-99 11
         RE: Marguerite and Armand Runcible 05-11-99 12
             RE: Marguerite and Armand Jan 05-11-99 13
                 RE: Marguerite and Armand Eugene 05-11-99 14
                     RE: Marguerite and Armand alison 12-11-99 15
                         RE: Marguerite and Armand Eugene 12-11-99 16
                             RE: Marguerite and Armand timpow 13-11-99 17
                             RE: Marguerite and Armand Eugene 13-11-99 18
                             RE: Marguerite and Armand Stephanie Wragg 15-11-99 19
                             RE: Marguerite and Armand timpow 15-11-99 20
  RE: Marguerite and Armand Marie 20-12-99 21
     RE: Marguerite and Armand Bruce Madmin 21-12-99 22
         RE: Marguerite and Armand Dale 21-12-99 23
             RE: Marguerite and Armand Catherine 21-12-99 24
  RE: Marguerite and Armand Marie 22-12-99 25
     RE: Marguerite and Armand alison 24-12-99 26

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Kevin Ng

24-10-99, 04:07 PM (GMT)
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1. "RE: Marguerite and Armand"
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   May I ask when next year those performances of M and A are?


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Tomoko.A

24-10-99, 09:01 PM (GMT)
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2. "RE: Marguerite and Armand"
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   There will be only 4 performances of the "Ashton Revisited" programme, which includes "Marguerite and Armand". The dates scheduled are 15,16,18 and 22 March. Guillem will be partnered by Le Riche on 18th and 22nd and the cast for Armand on 15th and 16th is to be advised.


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Anneliese

25-10-99, 06:33 PM (GMT)
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3. "RE: Marguerite and Armand"
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   I would have said that this ballet was one for Viv'n'Irek (but then I would, wouldn't I?). Sylvie, however is a great actress, and that's probably why they cast her.


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fuzzy face

26-10-99, 09:17 AM (GMT)
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4. "RE: Marguerite and Armand"
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   This ballet was meant to be for no one except Fonteyn & Nureyev. The idea of Guillem in it is just absurd. There are countless other Ashton ballets they could have revived.


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Susy

27-10-99, 08:24 AM (GMT)
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5. "RE: Marguerite and Armand"
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   I saw M&A in London in 1977 and these are my opinions about the cast of the next revival:

- Guillem is probably the last diva in ballet, so I can easily understand why she'll be dancing this role

- Irek would have been a wonderful Armand, but ten years ago and definitely not with Durante as Armand must look younger than Marguerite

- Le Riche is the last (youngest) dancer who worked with Nureyev on stage, all the following guys have only videos for schooling and anybody can perceive this

Last but not least I wonder why there will be a second Armand and I'll be grateful to anyone who will tell me his name as soon as it is known.


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Anneliese

27-10-99, 09:55 PM (GMT)
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6. "RE: Marguerite and Armand"
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   I don't believe that Armand has to look younger than Marguerite - yes, Armand should be young, but I don't recall that Marguerite was middle-aged... I think Viviana would do consumptive better than Sylvie.


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fuzzy face

28-10-99, 10:43 AM (GMT)
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7. "RE: Marguerite and Armand"
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   If they wanted to cast it really well they should have asked Asylmuratova. I still think they shouldn't be doing it at all.


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Karen

29-10-99, 00:26 AM (GMT)
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8. "RE: Marguerite and Armand"
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   I agree. Ashton didn't want anyone else to do it, although there WERE understudies (I think in case either Fonteyn or Nureyev had to pull out when it was too late to cancel the ballet.) It was choreographed so much with the personalities and particular abilities of Fonteyn & Nureyev in mind that I don't think anyone else could really do it anywhere near as well. It also isn't one of the world's great ballets - it wonderful to watch and it survived because of the relationship between Fonteyn & Nureyev. I can't think of another partnership or another cast out there now who can pull it off in a meaningful way.


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Susy

29-10-99, 07:50 AM (GMT)
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9. "RE: Marguerite and Armand"
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   Of course Marguerite is still very young when she dies. Anyway, before meeting Armand she was already an established courtesan and a mature woman. Armand's love is just a glimpse of youth for her, meant to finish too soon, as for Fonteyn the partnership with Nureyev.
OTOH Armand as a lover is inexperienced, selfish, blind, almost childish. IMO this is the reason why the interpreter must look very young, younger than his partner.
The revival of such a ballet is always a great puzzle: to do or not to do it? But for once I think that with the right cast it can be worth while. Guillem is Guillem, above categories and ranges. When I saw Le Riche creating the role of Love in Neumeier's "Sylvia" in Paris in 1997 I got mesmerized and if only for that he deserves to dance Armand.


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Guido

04-11-99, 05:40 PM (GMT)
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10. "RE: Marguerite and Armand"
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   Oh boys! At the end of the century, still complaining and discussing if a ballet is worth restaging or not! A forgotten ballet is a dead ballet. None of us, I think, wants this. Fonteyn and Nureyev will never be back. The emotions they gave us will remain for ever, BUT we still need emotions. History will say if the chosen dancers who will bring 'Marguerite and Armand' to life again, are the right ones. And believe me, if you lived in Italy, You'll be inclined to see a restaged ballet performed by the the box-office attendants too!
Some so-called 'Callas widowers' never went to theatre again after her farewell: would You do the same?


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Anneliese

04-11-99, 06:47 PM (GMT)
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11. "RE: Marguerite and Armand"
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   Well said, Guido!


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Runcible

05-11-99, 01:05 PM (GMT)
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12. "RE: Marguerite and Armand"
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   Quite right, Guido.


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Jan

05-11-99, 01:52 PM (GMT)
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13. "RE: Marguerite and Armand"
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   I absolutely agree. And Guillem seems to me to be the obvious choice. I can't wait (assuming I am able to get tickets). But there must surely be an 'understudy' cast ?


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Eugene

05-11-99, 02:17 PM (GMT)
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14. "RE: Marguerite and Armand"
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   I take your point Guido - but you have considered that Ashton himself did not want anyone else to perfrom this ballet. Given that it has been captured for posterity on film AND there are so many other Ashton ballets that should be revived I think there is a a very strong case for not reviving this ballet.


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alison

12-11-99, 01:15 PM (GMT)
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15. "RE: Marguerite and Armand"
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   LAST EDITED ON 16-Nov-99 AT 01:05 PM (GMT)

Except that I am given to understand that Ashton revised his opinion before he died.


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Eugene

12-11-99, 01:31 PM (GMT)
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16. "RE: Marguerite and Armand"
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   If that is true then I take back what I said about it should not be performed. But I would still prefer revival of other works before M and A.

Whatever our views on the ballet we have to admire the courage of Gulliem in taking on this role. Everyone will compare her to Fonteyn. I guarantee that no matter how good her performance there will be plenty of snobs who will always go on about how much better Fonteyn is!!


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timpow

13-11-99, 05:43 PM (GMT)
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17. "RE: Marguerite and Armand"
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   Why are those of us who remember how good Fonteyn was - called snobs by Eugene ?


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Eugene

13-11-99, 11:24 PM (GMT)
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18. "RE: Marguerite and Armand"
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   I am a huge admirer of Fonteyn - infact I think she is the greatest ballerina of all time.

Not ALL Fonteyn fans are snobs - but SOME are hard score and are guaranteed to pan Gulliem no matter how good her performance!


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Stephanie Wragg

15-11-99, 02:35 PM (GMT)
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19. "RE: Marguerite and Armand"
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   After reading all the previous messages, I am more than ever convinced that a revival of this ballet will be a good thing.

I think that a vehicle for a star dancer is good, especially if this dancer is truly a star. Guillem has technique, but she has more importantly temperament, heart and soul. Many of these elements are lacking in a lot of dancers, they just don't go beyond the technique it seems. So if only 'M & A' is available to show her off, so be it. I find it a shame that Durante and Mukhamedov cannot appear in this...talk about heart and soul with them!!!!


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timpow

15-11-99, 03:57 PM (GMT)
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20. "RE: Marguerite and Armand"
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   Eugene, I am pleased to see the first sentence of your latest posting. I just still do not understand your use of the term snob. It seems to me that bigot would be a better word ?

It is my general belief that if a work is good enough it will withstand different interpretations and modernising although I am inclined to wonder whether M&A is outside this generalisation. For my part I did not really enjoy it at the time and was pleasantly surprised when watching the video which was included in the Bull/Sayle Christmas programme. I am sure that the new showing will give enjoment to many and generate postings by the handful on balletco.


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Marie

20-12-99, 11:25 PM (GMT)
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21. "RE: Marguerite and Armand"
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   Hello,
Does anybody know the exact cast for Margueritte and Armand?I know that Sylvie Guillem will be Margueritte and that her partner will be Nicolas LeRiche.What about the performances of the 15th and 16th of march?Is it still Guillem/LeRiche or is there an other male dancer?


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Bruce Madmin

21-12-99, 07:41 AM (GMT)
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22. "RE: Marguerite and Armand"
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   The desision is not yet announced - but clearly they would seem to prefer not to have LeRiche do them all.


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Dale

21-12-99, 10:05 AM (GMT)
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23. "RE: Marguerite and Armand"
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   All this reminds me of something Suzanne Farrell said recently when she staged the ballet "Meditations" for her small touring group. No other ballerina had ever performed this ballet other than Farrell, and it was a very personal statement of love by Balanchine. But she said that a ballet that isn't performed is dead and doesn't exist. And when she was worried that she might be upset at seeing the ballet on stage with other dancers, she realized that by giving it away, she got it back tenfold.

I'm not that schooled in Ashton and English ballet (one of the reasons I love to visit this site) but although Ashton didn't want any other cast, he might have, if he was alive today, have come to the same conclusion as Farrell. It's too beautiful ballet (the little I've seen in a documentary) to keep under wraps. Hopefully the new dancers will treat it well and dance it with love so that a new generation can enjoy it.

Dale

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Catherine

21-12-99, 12:05 PM (GMT)
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24. "RE: Marguerite and Armand"
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   Hello,

I saw by video Marguerite and Armand with Fonteyn and Nureyev and I can't imagine Guillem as consomptive girl, Le Riche is perfect to be Armand. I understand why they want to give again this ballet. it's not why a ballet was given for a dancer that is a dated piece. I think the story of Camilla or Traviata is always living. It's not because a choreographer is dead that ballet must fall in forgot. In this case we had no Petipa or Bournonville, and so on. I don't uderstand too the Choreographer's attitude like Bejart who doesn't want to give on stage his masterpiece as Rite of Spring, IX Symphony or too many others ballets. I think a ballet is like an opera or a symphony it's eternal it could be make updated. It's sure but it's the rule of the Ballet like Royal Ballet or Opera de Paris to give these pieces. I'm sorry that Opera doesn't give more often Lifar's ballet, they were perhaps updated but it's the dance's story. The problem is when you ask the young generation of dancers, they find these piece updated and aren't enjoyed to dance it. I thnik it's fine that people like Guillem or other want to dance these older piece like Fountain of Bakhisarai or Marguerite and Armand. She makes in a other side all the ballet modern an classic.


Catherine


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Marie

22-12-99, 03:32 PM (GMT)
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25. "RE: Marguerite and Armand"
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   Hello,

I phoned to the ROH box office but the line was "cut" because of too many calls.I saw on the ROH official website that there was a matinee performance(2pm) of Ashton Revisited on the 16th of march.Is it true?Could we know the cast of Marguerite and Armand before buying ticket?Do you know if there will still be tickets in january?


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alison

24-12-99, 12:53 PM (GMT)
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26. "RE: Marguerite and Armand"
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   Any matinee will be a schools' matinee, not open to the general public (except possibly if they have some tickets left over?). The lower prices were going fast, especially for the 19th - can't speak for the higher prices - but since they've cancelled one performance already I really wouldn't recommend hanging around on this one.


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