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eugene

18-10-99, 06:08 PM (GMT)
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"Ballet Boyz"
 
   Sometimes I think that ballet dancers are their own worst enemey. On Sunday I saw for the first time the TV series Ballet Boyz (the second episode). Whilst the program is interesting to us I cannot help feeling that to the average viewer, all the negative connotations about ballet are re-inforced!

The long drawn out scenes about Anthony Bourne dressing up as a ballerina on his last night was absolutely cringing!!! It was also laboured on for far too long. Due you think young boys are going to rush up to their local ballet schools after seeing this. Whatever ones views are about gay rights etc it is essential that ballet avoids any association with gays, transvetite etc otherwise it just drive people away - particulary young males! Ballet dancers should promote ballet, not civil liberties!

When seeing it with my father - he said quite bluntly that it is hard to take ballet seriously after seeing this film!!

I also found interesting the way the dismissal of Anthony Bourne was handled. Any one who has been in finance and banking in the 80s/90s can only dream of a one year notice of dismissal. Also there is no way of sacking someone nicely - if it was done any other way he would of found other grounds for feeling aggrieved! Most of my colleagues has given trying to soften the blow as it is impossible!


Before you respond in outrage to this posting please put yourself in the shoes of an ordinary person. Consider how he or she must think about ballet after seeing this program.


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  Subject     Author     Message Date     ID  
  RE: Ballet Boyz Bruce Madmin 18-10-99 1
  RE: Ballet Boyz Ann 18-10-99 2
     RE: Ballet Boyz Eugene 19-10-99 3
         RE: Ballet Boyz michael 19-10-99 4
         RE: Ballet Boyz jonathan 19-10-99 5
             RE: Ballet Boyz Eugene Merrett 19-10-99 6
                 RE: Ballet Boyz p.s.stammers 19-10-99 7
  RE: Ballet Boyz Ann WilliamsAnnn@sweetpea.screaming.net 19-10-99 8
     RE: Ballet Boyz gerald dowler 20-10-99 9
         RE: Ballet Boyz fuzzy face 20-10-99 10
     RE: Ballet Boyz Bruce Madmin 20-10-99 11
         RE: Ballet Boyz Eugene Merrett 20-10-99 12
             RE: Ballet Boyz Stephanie 20-10-99 13
             RE: Ballet Boyz jonathan 20-10-99 14
         RE: Ballet Boyz Stuart Sweeney 20-10-99 15
             RE: Ballet Boyz Stephanie Wragg 25-10-99 16
                 RE: Ballet Boyz Michael 25-10-99 17
                     RE: Ballet Boyz Terry Amos 25-10-99 18
                         RE: Ballet Boyz Bruce Madmin 26-10-99 19
                             RE: Ballet Boyz Marie Madelaine 26-10-99 20
                             RE: Ballet Boyz samantha 26-10-99 21
                             RE: Ballet Boyz cf 28-10-99 22
                             RE: Ballet Boyz alison 29-10-99 23
                             RE: Ballet Boyz Bruce Madmin 29-10-99 24
                             RE: Ballet Boyz alison 01-11-99 25
  RE: Ballet Boyz Bruce Madmin 01-11-99 26
     RE: Ballet Boyz Lynette 02-11-99 27
         RE: Ballet Boyz timpow 03-11-99 28
         RE: Ballet Boyz alison 03-11-99 29
  RE: Ballet Boyz Sandy R. Price 23-01-00 30
  RE: Ballet Boyz Lisa 27-03-00 31

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Bruce Madmin

18-10-99, 07:34 PM (GMT)
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1. "RE: Ballet Boyz"
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> When seeing it with my
>father - he said quite bluntly
>that it is hard to take
>ballet seriously after seeing this film!!
>

Then I feel sad for your dad. The thing which came over to me was just what crap they have to put up with for such a short life. Ballet Boyz is a bit laddish at times, but overall dancers work their nuts off and it's good to have a record of some of the things we don't normally see - there are too many sanitised views of ballet and dance as it is.

I recall you once talking about the embarrassment of declaring a liking for ballet when all acquaintances and cronies thought it a joke and not really an art. I see no need to be on the back foot here - definitely more fool them.


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Ann

18-10-99, 08:23 PM (GMT)
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2. "RE: Ballet Boyz"
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   Well, I know Ballet Boyz is a bit chaotic and amateurish but what came over strong to me was Tony Bourne's evident distress at being 'let go' and his rising to the occasion on his last night with great spirit and tongue in cheek. I, for one, don't detect any gay references - Trevitt and Nunn being at great pains to introduce their female partners at the very beginning of the series. Apart from that, I loved Irek's deadpan reaction to the silly cut-off tights notice!!


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Eugene

19-10-99, 00:01 AM (GMT)
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3. "RE: Ballet Boyz"
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   The comparitively low popularity in ballet compared to opera is quite beneficial for us because it is easier to get tickets. Whilst Sylvie Gulliem tickets can be had on the day of performance, tickets to see Placido Domingo etc are so popular they are not available to the general public!

But would it not be nice if ballet was so popular London could support two resident companies. At the moment it struggles to support one (and bit) and only because it puts on wall to wall nutcrackers. London can support two opera companies but only one ballet company. There must be at least twice as many performances of opera then ballet in London despite the much higher ticket prices (the same can be said for New York as well).

One of the reason this is so is because ballet is not taken seriously by enough people. The series ballet boyz simply perpetuates that non serious image.

I can easily ignore my friends disdain for ballet - the trouble is that ballet cannot! Until ballet gets more respect it will always remain opera's poorer cousin in the number of performances and variety of works performed! It is my devotion to this art form that makes it impossible for me to ignore other people preconceptions about this art form. So I am very sorry to say this but the TV series has done a disservice to ballet. But I will still record it this weekend - it is very interesting!!!


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michael

19-10-99, 01:48 AM (GMT)
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4. "RE: Ballet Boyz"
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   I think that the second episode was awful compared to the first, not least because of the terrible amateur quality of pictures and sound, which really gives a poor impression. It is also rather a missed oportunity. Debbie Bulls book - esepcially the updated paperback, gives a clear and clever picture of the closure period for the outsider, and these films could have complemented it. Instead they make the company look superficial and not very committed - which we regulars know they are not. It was left to Beryl Grey to be the true professional on show - it was incredible that Trevitt and Nunn didnt even acknowledge Leslie Edwards, clearly seen in two scenes. The final credits are a real tease - if only we could see some of that footage at length.


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jonathan

19-10-99, 06:05 AM (GMT)
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5. "RE: Ballet Boyz"
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   >Until ballet gets more respect it will always
>remain opera's poorer cousin...

Not such a terrible position to be in, if you feel about opera and it's audiences the way that I do. It's Rose and Onslow that make Hyacinth look stupid, not the other way round.

On your other posting...

>>Before you respond in outrage to this posting please put yourself in the shoes of an ordinary person. Consider how he or she must think about ballet after seeing this program.
>>

The horrible part of it is, I rather agree with you, and can't help wondering why on earth the RB haven't jumped on the opportunity to counter popular assumptions about ballet (particularly the Royal one) by profiling someone hotbloodedly talented, non-white, non-middle-class and non-homosexual like Carlos Acosta, for example.

However, I wish you'd just have the guts to say "what a bunch of poofs" instead of invoking the imagined opinions of the proletariat to justify your own.



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Eugene Merrett

19-10-99, 11:59 AM (GMT)
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6. "RE: Ballet Boyz"
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   Jonathan, I should like to say that one of my business partners is gay and HIV positive. I admire his stoicism in the face of great difficulty. Likewise my godfather whom I am very close to is gay.

In the art world there can be no doubt that there is a disproportionate number of gays in the world of art but especially so in ballet. I think acceptance of gay people must come with ones love of ballet. Otherwise it would be remniscent of the 30s when white folks would flock to see black entertainers yet would always discriminate against them.

But when reaching out to casual ballet (which is the bulk of the audience) the flaunting of gayness is very bad PR! That is all I am saying!


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p.s.stammers

19-10-99, 03:28 PM (GMT)
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7. "RE: Ballet Boyz"
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   As the film showed Tony's wife in several shots I got the impression that RB was not celebrating gay rights, but tradition. In fact gay people may have been more upset than hetrosexuals.

I thought it was a tradition they needed to break, and break quickly as it seemed out of date and out of place.

It was a weaker programme than the first, but it interested the red blooded males I know who watched it, rather than putting them off ballet.

Taken with Deborah Bull's book it gives insight into the world of RB. They need to be taken together. Though Bull's book will stand alone.
Pauline


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Ann WilliamsAnnn@sweetpea.screaming.net

19-10-99, 11:50 PM (GMT)
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8. "RE: Ballet Boyz"
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Have just viewed the tape. Hmm. I take your point, Eugene, though I think you are over-reacting. I agree it's a shame that so much of the time was focussed on Anthony Bourne's drag act, which seemed to reduce him to a Troc. I also think that it was a shame that the series nailed it's colours so firmly to the 'we're all normal blokes here' mast right at the beginning of the first episode with the opening words:'I'm Billy Trevitt and I'm married with two children', which sounded disastrously defensive.

So far 'Boyz' is proving an amiable, if juvenile, waste of time.


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gerald dowler

20-10-99, 08:22 AM (GMT)
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9. "RE: Ballet Boyz"
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   For what its worth: Ballet Boyz is a piece of fluff - a great pity given the hours of footage that must exist. What we see is the immense pressure under which the dancers work and their 'games' are an understandable letting off of steam.
As for the 'gay' comments, I think they are offensive and very patronising. The femininity of dance in the eyes of the masses is not a perception that is going to be changed easily - why on earth should a piece like Ballet Boyz be censored to placate the bigots and the prudes.
The implied shame of 'gayness' in your comments Eugene is unhelpful. I feel no-one has the right to make these sort of comments. Remember that a fair proportion of dancers are gay (as to who they are, it is none of our business) and a good proportion of audiences too.
Also, does a female dancer being bossy or dressing in trousers automatically make her a lesbian ? Who cares ?
I don't feel that there is anything to be nervous or ashamed of in Ballet Boyz, but rather regret that there is not more substance to the footage chosen.


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fuzzy face

20-10-99, 09:09 AM (GMT)
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10. "RE: Ballet Boyz"
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   Well done Gerald, I absolutely agree with your statement. Does anyone seriously think that the unthinking masses will be watching Ballet Boyz when Coronation Street is on the other side at the same time? I know what I would rather watch. Corrie wins every time!


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Bruce Madmin

20-10-99, 09:16 AM (GMT)
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11. "RE: Ballet Boyz"
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>So far 'Boyz' is proving an amiable,
>if juvenile, waste of time.


I can see some of what you say but what fascinates me, and makes it all worthwhile, is that Ballet Boyz captures something of a reality.

Much of what we see of ballet and dance on TV is all the set piece stuff with everybody on their p and q's. Dancers smile sweetly, groomed appropriately, critics dispense suitably erudite views, directors try and give a high level perspective and administrators ooze smooth words. And all this against suitably nice backdrops. These are all great and interesting views but it's really nice to have a vernacular view for a change.

I actually think that in 100 years time Ballet Boyz will be a prime reference source about the reality of a ballet company at the turn of the millennium. Other sources will be needed as well of course, but I'm really glad some of this working life stuff is captured. Its not all about former ballerinas teaching young ballerinas clever steps in an empty studio. Nice, but captured hundreds of times before. (and I note that even Trevitt and Nunn could not resist including a clip of this essentially hackneyed stuff!).



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Eugene Merrett

20-10-99, 11:37 AM (GMT)
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12. "RE: Ballet Boyz"
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   Gerald, I think you have read far too much in to my postings. I have never made any judgement about gays either for or against. I do not even have an opinion about gays either for or against.

I am focusing on the PR aspects of ballet. The image ballet has as gay, uncool, affete etc may be more a reflexion of society then ballet. But I am not in the business of changing the views of society on such broad issues and nor should anyone else!

If you think that the image of ballet is better off with Ballet Boyz then I think you are allowing your love of ballet and political views to cloud your jugdement.

That might be a very harsh statement to make but as someone who has in the past worked on the promotion many gay party nights (and a few S/M nights) I think I can say it.


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Stephanie

20-10-99, 12:26 PM (GMT)
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13. "RE: Ballet Boyz"
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   Sorry Eugene - I think that you are wrong. My flatmate (never been to a ballet in her life) was surprised by how down to earth the dancers seemed, that many of them were straight and above all how hard they worked. She just presummed that they did nothing except turn up for the show in the evening.

Quick question - why did Billy T. shave all his hair off 1/2 way through?


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jonathan

20-10-99, 05:28 PM (GMT)
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14. "RE: Ballet Boyz"
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   >That might be a very harsh statement
>to make but as someone who
>has in the past worked on
>the promotion many gay party
> nights (and a few S/M
>nights) I think I can say
>it.

You can say it, but I don't know how the gay people who have helped line your pockets on these nights would appreciate you saying:

"Whatever ones views are about gay rights etc it is essential that ballet avoids any association with gays, transvetite etc otherwise it just drive people away - particulary young males!"

I don't disagree entirely with your point about PR - after all, PR is a hardnosed and "realistic" business. But I think the answer is balance and diversity of promotional material, not to just pretend that no-one's gay.

Beyond that, what really turns people like me off ballet is dull performances and bad choreography. And anyone can do that, whatever their orientation.


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Stuart Sweeney

20-10-99, 06:39 PM (GMT)
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15. "RE: Ballet Boyz"
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   I agree with the thrust of Bruce's comments. I am enjoying Ballet Boyz warts and all. The DIY filming makes for a refreshing style, but sometimes results in an inevitable uneveness, as shown in the second half of the second programme.
What I am aware of is that 'the dynamic duo' are able to get shots and comments that others can't, including the Trocks sequence.

The first programme was spendid with the problems of getting into The Apollo and the Mary Allen saga. I hope that the rest of the series lives up to that standard, but I will find it rivetting in any case.

It is tricky for us ballet and dance junkies to put ourselves in the shoes of non-dance folks, but the good humour and unelitist style of the two protagonists and others will probably be good for the image of ballet. I take heart in the comments of those who have reported the positive views of their friends.


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Stephanie Wragg

25-10-99, 01:37 PM (GMT)
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16. "RE: Ballet Boyz"
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   I've just seen Episode three of Ballet Boyz and I was very disappointed with it. The nausea-cam work is getting worse and the climax of every point they are trying to make or get across is lost. For example, bad sound and abrupt end during what is supposed to be the crucial meeting to decide of the fate of the company(ies) or the festivities for Dame Ninette's birthday (see a walk through of the ballet then shift to sweaty guys stripping as opposed to seeing something like a final tableau and shift to smiling (or not) Dame Ninette and entourage).

I think the project was a good idea, but the result is uneven at best. As someone said, the footage on the editing room floor could make a better documentary, perhaps for Ballet Boyz-The sequel??


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Michael

25-10-99, 10:03 PM (GMT)
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17. "RE: Ballet Boyz"
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   Having hated episode 2, I thought 3 was better only because they have unique footage of Madam speaking on her 100th birthday, which makes it instant archive - she was amazingly clear. I hope that Ross MacGibbon edits more of the material recorded there into a whole tribute to Madam. However as to the moaning Nunn and sweaty Cope....


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Terry Amos

25-10-99, 10:45 PM (GMT)
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18. "RE: Ballet Boyz"
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   Apart from the de Valois party, I thought it quite as silly as the previous two episodes. Surely it has no competition for the award of worst ballet documentary of the decade.


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Bruce Madmin

26-10-99, 00:47 AM (GMT)
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19. "RE: Ballet Boyz"
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   Oh dear!

For what its worth I continue to find it fabulous viewing. I just don't see it as trivial or silly - though some of it is of course. Loved the telling of the Judith Mackrell story. And de Valois talking. Not to mention Chloe Davies limbering up! And all this against a back-drop of possible bankruptcy, a fact they might have dwelt on and which to their credit is not so centre stage.




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Marie Madelaine

26-10-99, 04:18 AM (GMT)
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20. "RE: Ballet Boyz"
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   I think you're all very lucky you're even getting to see it, because we don't have that opportunity here in the U.S. Anything that's generating such strong opinions must be pretty interesting.


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samantha

26-10-99, 06:17 PM (GMT)
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21. "RE: Ballet Boyz"
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   Why are we even talking about gay people here? As far as I am aware I never really noticed that the programme spoke openly about gay issues at all; if they were interpreted in that way then so be it.

I get annoyed with this macho image. Is it bad to portray somethign as being gay (or even possibly gay?). Think about it another way : if we said that young boys find ballet not only gay but also sissy, does this mean that we then not only have to hide that fact that quite a few ballet dancers (and artists in general) are gay, but also go so far as to present it in a 'macho' image aswell? Ridiculous ; perhaps we could get Arnold Schwartzenigger to host some lessons. I think really that people should be open-minded and like the art form for itself and stop using these labels of gay or feminine. I'd rather attract a young boy to dance with few ideas in his head and then ,ake up his own mind. Above all, if society does see ballet as 'gay' then I think that society should change and NOT ballet!!!!!!


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cf

28-10-99, 10:41 AM (GMT)
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22. "RE: Ballet Boyz"
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   I have loved every bit of it and look forward to the next programme!


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alison

29-10-99, 01:33 PM (GMT)
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23. "RE: Ballet Boyz"
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   I'm not quite sure where all this "gay" discussion has come from (or where it's going, for that matter), but under normal circumstances a dancer's sexual orientation should of course be entirely irrelevant. However, it does have to be said that there is still a widespread (and sometimes off-putting to potential audience members) misconception among the general public that being gay is part of the job description for a ballet dancer, and if Michael and Billy "coming out" as being heterosexual shook up a few people's perceptions then so much the better.

Ballet dancing is the only profession I can think of (well, legal one, anyway) where people tend to make assumptions about your sexuality solely on the basis of your job, and it must be hugely irritating to a heterosexual male dancer. Imagine the situation: you're talking quite normally to another male in a social situation, you're asked what your job is, and then find the other man suddenly reacting as if you've admitted to being a child molester or to having a seriously contagious disease! I am sure that some boys (and their parents) are put off becoming a ballet dancer because of the perceived gay image, and would hope that the implication, on national TV, that it is perfectly possible to be a successful dancer and heterosexual might encourage them to revise their opinions. (Incidentally, I don't know what the ratio of heterosexuals to homosexuals in the company is, but I've noticed a great preponderance of heterosexual dancers being shown - wonder whether that was intentional or not?).


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Bruce Madmin

29-10-99, 02:07 PM (GMT)
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24. "RE: Ballet Boyz"
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   Nice one Alison - sums up my thoughts on all the 'should we mention gay or not' postings. I've lost count of the number of dancers we have seen at the BA who talk about how difficult it was to take up dance given all the family and peer presures there seemed to be at times.


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alison

01-11-99, 01:21 PM (GMT)
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25. "RE: Ballet Boyz"
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   Yes, me too. And when you think that they're only the ones who made it ... makes me wonder how many possible stars we've lost along the way to parental/peer pressure.


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Bruce Madmin

01-11-99, 08:26 PM (GMT)
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26. "RE: Ballet Boyz"
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   I thought last nights final episode was a cracker especially all the contract hassles when they were dancing at Sadler's. Bruce Sansom and Deborah Bull in "discussion" with Anthony Dowell was a thing to behold.


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Lynette

02-11-99, 05:30 PM (GMT)
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27. "RE: Ballet Boyz"
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   I thought the opening ten minutes of the last programme were totally gripping. It's easy to forget now just how pressured the situation was and how close the company was to going under. I'm really pleased that Bruce Sansom's speech to the Sadler's audience was caught on camera: this was exactly the event that the video diary format was made for.


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timpow

03-11-99, 12:24 PM (GMT)
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28. "RE: Ballet Boyz"
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   This series did not aim to be a documentary nor did it claim to use skilled cameramen yet we have postings of criticism of these areas. We have also had a lot on gay issues which are quite outside the contentof these particular programmes.
In my view they did what they set out to do very well and I certainly enjoyed them.
Perhaps the most telling comment came from Willian Trevitt when he said "this is he first day of my adult life".
Tim Powell


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alison

03-11-99, 01:08 PM (GMT)
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29. "RE: Ballet Boyz"
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   I quite agree with Lynette. Wish the other programmes could have been as tautly edited - I did find them a bit self-indulgent in parts. This may have had something to do with the fact that I was expecting a documentary on the *RB* during the homeless period, when what we had tended to concentrate rather too much on Bill and Michael. I've been surprised at some of the content - some bits I'd have expected to see were omitted, and others expanded on rather too much. No mention of the Festival Hall season, which surprised me - I'd have thought backstage conditions might have merited recording - and at the very beginning of the series we got a view of the pregnant ballerinas, and yet they never cropped up in the programmes themselves. Also possibly a bit more explanation for the general public might have been useful. On the whole, though, enjoyable and an eye-opener for a lot of people, I've no doubt.


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Sandy R. Price

23-01-00, 05:59 PM (GMT)
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30. "RE: Ballet Boyz"
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   was this a TV SHOW OR A MOVIE WHAT WAS "bALLET boys"
I am in my 30's & now just now learing about the Ballet.
Can you e-mail me up date me
thanks Sandy Price


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Lisa

27-03-00, 02:04 AM (GMT)
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31. "RE: Ballet Boyz"
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   Hello,
I agree with your posting about Ballet boyz.
I am a ballet teacher/choreographer, and I have taught (still do) quite a few boys.

Ballet is NOT about a particular sexuality preference, but rather an art form. This art form utilizes motion, and the dancer is the medium.

Personally,I prefer to develop my young male dancers (including my son) into masculine, strong dancers. It is after all, an athletic endeavor, in which the form must be maintained, as well as the aesthetics).

Ballet has many expressions, but the one that is most popular with the less knowledgeable public, and most likely to attract a strong following, is the ballet "fairy tale" mode, and ballets written to popular themes of today, with modern stories attached.

Most people who love ballet already understand this, and seek other expressions as well. We have a responsibility as artists of our craft, to promote the development of more young artists, and to promote our art.

Standing up for rights is a great personal choice, but not one that promotes our field as a unifed profession.
I never saw a documentary on Male hairstylists, or interior decorators and the gay or straight lifestyle!

All people, whether gay or heterosexual, should not be identified by their preferences, but rather, their value as an individual, and dancers by their gift of performance to the audience.


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