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Sharon

16-07-02, 12:17 PM (GMT)
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"Disapointing Onegin"
 
   What a sad show, the the corps looked as though they wished to be at home, Cooper,had a bad case of the wobbles, Mara held the performance together, while Putrov was as interesting as a wet fish, Burn proberly would have made Olga into a character with more rehersal time.
The audience seemed to be mainly once a year ballet people, who loved the performance, but to us who know the ballet a disaster.


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  Subject     Author     Message Date     ID  
  RE: Disapointing Onegin - NOT! Bruceadmin 16-07-02 1
     RE: Disapointing Onegin - NOT! Justin 16-07-02 2
         RE: Disapointing Onegin - NOT! PhilipBadmin 16-07-02 3
             RE: Disapointing Onegin - NOT! Judith 16-07-02 7
  RE: Disapointing Onegin alison 16-07-02 4
     RE: Disapointing Onegin Patricia 16-07-02 5
         RE: Disapointing Onegin Robert 16-07-02 6
             RE: Disapointing Onegin alison 17-07-02 10
         RE: Disapointing Onegin Bruceadmin 17-07-02 8
             RE: Disappointing Onegin eugdog 17-07-02 9
                 RE: Disappointing Onegin Robert 17-07-02 11
                     RE: Disappointing Onegin Paul A 24-07-02 12
                     RE: Disappointing Onegin Madoldbat 24-07-02 13

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Bruceadmin

16-07-02, 12:33 PM (GMT)
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1. "RE: Disapointing Onegin - NOT!"
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Well I'm glad somebody started a thread, but I'm not entirely sure I agree with the summary! I've had better ballet and nights and far worse - I thought it a 'standard night' - competent and assured. There were a few wobbles but overall I loved it and nice to see an opening night opportunity (or be it because of injury) for soloists 'coming through'.

I thought Mara was just delightful and very moving. Jane Burn, whom some thing I have it in for, I thought danced and acted strongly (and after a horrid year too). Putrov has good technique to watch... put not an RB actor at all. But then most principal boy imports struggle with the dramatic works - to my eyes anyway. Cooper is the opposite - terrific stage presence and acting that brings the story alive... to the point where I don't notice imperfections that I know others do.

It takes me a long time to get to grips with full length ballets and I'm still finding my way around Onegin if truth be told. I'm not so grabbed by the music, though I thought the BRB orchestra played well for Barker. What say others...


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Justin

16-07-02, 12:42 PM (GMT)
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2. "RE: Disapointing Onegin - NOT!"
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   LAST EDITED ON 16-07-02 AT 12:44 PM (GMT)

From where I was sitting, not the best 'Onegin' I have seen, but very good, and certianly not a disappointment.
I thought Ivan Putrov much better dancing alone than with Jane Burn - their first act pdd really looked a bit too tentative and he seems to me to be unhappy in partnering generally. Jane Burn I thought a delight, though in Act II she seemsd less convincing than Marianela had as the flirtatious Olga.
Adam Cooper was splendid, and looked really harrowed and haunting in the final moments. The bedroom pdd was strong and assured, and Mara seemed, to me at least, really delighted at the end, and particularly to have enjoyed dancing with Adam.


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PhilipBadmin

16-07-02, 01:04 PM (GMT)
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3. "RE: Disapointing Onegin - NOT!"
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   Opening Night of Onegin Summer Run.

I had lost track of how many cast line-ups there have been for this opening night - considering there are only 4 named roles, to make it onto the fourth or fifth line-up is quite an achievement. We were so close to a "dream cast" of Cooper, Putrov, Cojocaru and Rojo, which may have been an evening to tell the grandkids about in years to come - the first major night for the great Ivan and Alina?
But in the end we started this summer run of Onegin with three soloists and a guest - Adam Cooper played Onegin, Mara Galeazzi was Tatiana, Ivan Putrov was Lensky and Jane Burn played Olga. A supposedly commercial-minded AD will not want to repeat this feat, I would assume. I expect Adam Cooper will be getting a big thank-you this morning.

There was still a sense of occasion as the popular Adam Cooper was making his triumphant RB return and his adoring fans would make themselves heard at the curtain calls and with a flower throw from the right balcony.

The first scene was a bit messy, the eight girls quite ragged and Ivan and even Adam missing spins. It was Ivan's big night and it didn't go very well overall - he looked distinctly uncomfortable with Jane Burn, presumably due to lack of rehearsal time rather than anything else. His solo lament before the duel in Act 2 was much better and all night his acting seemed much improved.

The mirror pdd in Act 1 is one of ballet's great scenes, in my opinion, and this was a scintillating version. Cooper was masterful, passionate, attentive and romantic, all the things that Tatiana is so desperate to see from the cold and disinterested Onegin. A wonderful scene, beautifully danced.

The ill-judged flirting in Act 2 seemed less outrageous to me this time - last time I felt like slapping Olga's thighs for being so obtuse. This time it felt more like Lensky was being more moody and that maybe some past issues with Onegin were also motivating his fatal fit of pique. At the end of the scene, where the two woman implore Lensky to retract his challenge, I didn't feel the close work went very well - not at all smooth. The duel scene was then suitably dark and fatalistic, though I really think someone should check if Lensky is really dead after being shot just once - I mean, he might be just slight wounded instead! I though Mara's rejection of Onegin was reasonable but not as heart-chilling as in the past.

Act 3 then opens with a gorgeous pdd between Prince Gremin and his wife, Tatiana. Chris Saunders was Gremin and this pdd was quite lovely and very romantic. Quite a few female sighs were audible around me at the end. Finally, the great final scene, with Tatiana tempted by Onegin's passionate return, but finally sending him away despite her heart's torment. This is why the previous pdd with Gremin is so important, as I’m not sure everyone realises what that scene is there for - the relationship between husband and wife is genuine and long-lasting - she does not ultimately reject Onegin just because of social convention - she genuinely loves her husband, it's just that Onegin is her Number One, as most of us have somewhere in our heart.

Ivan is a rare talent, but young and I'm sure he has learned a lot from working with Cooper in recent weeks, a dancer who just radiates charisma and power, qualities perfectly matching the requirements of playing the aloof and arrogant Onegin. Despite being poorly lit all evening (Onegin dresses in black and dances a lot in dimly-lit rooms - could he use a spotlight you think?!) he dominates the stage and Mara seemed happy to trust him and to let herself be guided by a consummate performer. They embraced happily during the curtain calls and Adam appeared delighted with the audience response and the evening as a whole, as should he be.

Overall, one of the most injury-hit opening nights in a long time, turned out be an enjoyable evening - but one wonders just what might have been.


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Judith

16-07-02, 06:44 PM (GMT)
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7. "RE: Disapointing Onegin - NOT!"
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   Where I was (standing at the back of the amphitheatre), there were enough regulars there. Adam Cooper is amazing, it's the first time I've seen him in the flesh apart from at the Dowell Gala. I couldn't whistle loud enough for him in his curtain calls. Ivan Putrov is a bit of a wet fish I'm afraid when it comes to the acting and his partnering is a bit dodgy because he's so small! And please, someone tell him not to wear pink lipstick - it does not look good through opera glasses! (And did I spot Edward Watson in the group dancing in Act III...?)


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alison

16-07-02, 01:35 PM (GMT)
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4. "RE: Disapointing Onegin"
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   Well, I have to agree with Sharon to a fair extent - I was actually tempted, but not sorely, to leave at the end of the first act, but fortunately things picked up. Unfortunately, though, I felt it was another one of those cases where a Royal Ballet first night looked more like a dress rehearsal. Jane Burn and Ivan Putrov looked as though they hadn't had enough rehearsal time to be entirely comfortable with each other, as I suspect they hadn't, given what the dancers' schedules over the last week must have been, and I felt it was pretty tough on Burn, in her first major role back from injury, to dance the first night (as if that wasn't enough, replacing Alina Cojocaru as well). I was surprised that Marianela Nunez wasn't given it instead. The result was that instead of the ballet being a foursome, it became much more Onegin & Tatiana plus support, and I never feel it really works on that count.

Some more positive comments to come when I'm not running out of lunch-hour ...


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Patricia

16-07-02, 05:05 PM (GMT)
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5. "RE: Disapointing Onegin"
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   What bliss it is to be ignorant! I had a wonderful evening!
Certainly where I was sitting, I was surrounded by regulars, all
of whom seemed to be loving it too. I know I`ve said this before
but I feel maybe it`s a good thing not to know too much about
the technicalities and therefore to be able to enjoy the ballet
as an evening`s entertainment....at least, it works for me!
Patricia


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Robert

16-07-02, 06:17 PM (GMT)
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6. "RE: Disapointing Onegin"
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   The people around me were not once a year ballet goers. One man I spoke to goes to Covent Garden three times a week! Others around were regular balletgoers and they appeared to like Onegin and last night’s cast. I thought Adam Cooper danced and acted superbly. I had seen Robert Tewsley in the part, and he dances well, but Adam Cooper brought something else to the part. Mara Galeazzi is very good in Onegin, she is able to act and dance the last scene so much better than the younger dancers. Putrov made a good Lensky, it is a slightly wimps part but he did well. Jane Burn and Christopher Saunders were also very good, a super evening and most people from the cheering at the end thought so too. I saw this ballet earlier and thought it good but had not intended to see it again, last nights performance changed my mind I now think Onegin a very good ballet. I like theatre and dramatic effect rather than abstract dance unless it is folk dance. Onegin is a good story with room for drama and dance, Adam Cooper supplies that as he is such a good actor. I suppose some ballet fans where disappointed that the new little girls were not dancing , but not all those cheering at the end were occasional visitors or corporate guests and it is disingenuous to say so.


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alison

17-07-02, 01:40 PM (GMT)
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10. "RE: Disapointing Onegin"
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   I think I'd have to take issue with your description of Lensky as a wimp's part, although I admit that Putrov's interpretation was closer to that than anyone else I've seen! (Can you imagine Tom Edur doing a wimp?! Or Ethan Stiefel? (Well, actually, *him* I can, but he doesn't!)).

I thought Adam and Mara were very good together, although lacking quite the desperation and physical recklessness that he showed with Rojo (shortage of rehearsal time?). Mara didn't impress me quite as much as last time, but I suspect that was because last time I was in the Stalls Circle, not halfway up the amphi. I thought Jane Burn improved a lot in the second act, and her interpretation looked to be coming on nicely. Funny what different people focus on, though, isn't it? My friend, a dance teacher, complained about Putrov's sometimes noisy landings in the first act, whereas I hadn't even noticed them. I did notice, however, that he looked distinctly insecure in his second-act solo, and come to think of it most of the duel scene didn't come off that well, I don't think. Oh dear, overshooting my lunch break again - oops ...


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Bruceadmin

17-07-02, 06:16 AM (GMT)
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8. "RE: Disapointing Onegin"
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   >What bliss it is to be
>ignorant!

Ah - a fellow sufferer!


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eugdog

17-07-02, 01:31 PM (GMT)
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9. "RE: Disappointing Onegin"
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   I generally avoid opening nights because it is always underehearsed - it is rather like avoiding buying a new car in its first year of sale - there always teething problems!!!

I would have thought there would be a much higher perportion of regular ballet goers at Onegin then at say Swan Lake!


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Robert

17-07-02, 02:05 PM (GMT)
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11. "RE: Disappointing Onegin"
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   What a relief, Ismene Brown in the Telegraph, who I do not always agree with, enjoyed Onegin. Following this “Disappointing Onegin” thread I wondered if yet again I was out of touch with the rest of the ballet world.. I really do think that Mara Galleazzi danced and acted Tatiana extremely well, better perhaps than anyone else available to the Royal Ballet except Sylvie who has been mysteriously barred from the part. Adam Cooper was extremely good and Putin was excellent Not a disappointing Onegin at all!


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Paul A

24-07-02, 02:13 PM (GMT)
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12. "RE: Disappointing Onegin"
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   >Putin was excellent

I don't see Putin as Lensky myself, maybe as Onegin, possibly Rudolf or in The Invitation.



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Madoldbat

24-07-02, 10:59 PM (GMT)
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13. "RE: Disappointing Onegin"
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   Dear Robert,

Just to say, if you're "out of touch with the rest of the ballet world", then I must be as well, because I agree with you. I saw the Thursday performance, and thought that Mara Galleazzi and Adam Cooper were very good together. She seemed more prepared to trust him than I felt Tamara Rojo was when I saw her partner Adam in January (I'm sorry if that's heresy, but there we go) - Mara appeared to be quite happy to fling herself at him or fall completely, absolutely confident that she'd be safely caught, whereas Tamara didn't totally relinquish her self-control. The upshot I felt was that Adam seemed to respond more to Mara's trust and their mutual confidence soared. I also liked Johannes Stepanek's portrayal of Lensky more than Ivan Putrov's - both very good dancers, but I think Johannes is the better actor for a tricky part like Lensky. It's easy for Lensky to come over as a bit of a whimp, but I thought that Johannes succeeded in making him a more rounded, sympathetic character, and his final solo before the duel was heart-rending.

Ah well, perhaps we'd better make ourselves a separate little world for the 'out-of-step'ers like us.


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