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SUE

01-07-02, 04:19 PM (GMT)
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"audition blues"
 
   At the beginning of June, hundreds of hopeful children (and their equally hopeful parents), trooped along on a very wet morning to the Royal Ballet school in the hope of being chosen for this year's associates programme. After changing and being ushered into a waiting room, we were greeted by the principal of the outreach programme who explained that although it was "wonderful to see all the children, who were no doubt going to enjoy the class, only a few children would be chosen for the programme".
Whilst I waited with the other parents in the canteen, I browsed through the R.B.S annual report and noted that last year, in London alone there were 189 children (160 girls and 29 boys) who auditioned. 23 girls and 12 boys were accepted.
There was then a three week wait to finally be told that my daughter had not been successful. No reason was given why she didn't get in, not even a hint which might help us to decide whether to bother going through the whole process next year.
In retrospect, I tend to be of the opinion that the outcome is somewhat decided even before the children step through the door, by that I mean by the application photos, teacher etc.
I am aware that at White Lodge, there have been instances where children have succeeded in auditions, due to their teacher's influence over the audition panel. one teacher in particular has five of her former pupils at white lodge, two girls in the same year, one who was accepted and the other was initially rejected until the teacher more or less ,insisted and she was then taken in.
I ask myself if it really is worth the effort in the long run. the worst thing is NOT being told why your child hasn't been given a place, especially when they achieve high marks in ballet exams. I think there should be some feedback from the auditions dept which might save a lot of parents and their children effort,time and money!


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  Subject     Author     Message Date     ID  
  RE: audition blues Flight 01-07-02 1
  RE: audition blues Avril 01-07-02 2
     RE: audition blues cjoddy 01-07-02 3
  RE: audition blues cc 02-07-02 4
     RE: audition blues SUE 03-07-02 7
         RE: audition blues Flight 04-07-02 8
  RE: audition blues cc 02-07-02 5
     RE: audition blues Flight 02-07-02 6

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Flight

01-07-02, 06:11 PM (GMT)
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1. "RE: audition blues"
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   Definitely there should be some feedback, and I always have mixed feelings about the fact that photos have to be sent in advance. Dancers can lose weight if necessary, but super-thin dancers can't develop the special quality that makes a truly beautiful dancer.


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Avril

01-07-02, 08:21 PM (GMT)
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2. "RE: audition blues"
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   I was surprised to read your comments on White Lodge auditions - I had always understood these to be on the childs performance on the audition weekend. It is always hard when not selected but tenacity is a key element of eventual success. I wish your daughter well.


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cjoddy

01-07-02, 09:40 PM (GMT)
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3. "RE: audition blues"
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   It used to be the case, and probably still is, that teachers could phone RBS to find out why their pupils were not accepted which would obviously give you some idea whether to re-audition.

We are veterans of this experience - my daughter was rejected for JAs once and for SAs once then accepted for SAs, which she thoroughly enjoyed for a year, and finally, this year, rejected for upper school. Nothing can prevent it from being pretty traumatic but I never really felt that the process was biased towards particular contacts although, possibly, some schools have a much better idea what RBS are looking for and therefore can tell their pupils what is important at the audition.

I think they put a lot of emphasis on flexibility and shape, especially for older children, but if being ultra-thin guaranteed a place then my daughter would have had no problem!


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02-07-02, 07:14 PM (GMT)
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4. "RE: audition blues"
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   I definately feel that some feedback should be given. Is the child been rejected on a purely shape basis?- in which case she will is never likely to be acepted. Or does she lack experience and technical accomplishment? (though not the latter not too relevant at JA stage)- and with improvement and experience could stand a chance at a later stage? One can only speculate, this can often lead to bad decisions being made.
I also agree with flight. Photos are tricky. I felt at some schools after the photo stage there was no point half the auditionees, includong myself, being present at the audition as the panel proceeded to watch only the the sckinny and willowy girls for its duration. I was not being paranoid either as the ignored ones all agreed on this.


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SUE

03-07-02, 09:55 AM (GMT)
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7. "RE: audition blues"
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   I am sure that the photos are examined in detail and certain ones are set aside as a preliminary choice. Take for example the summer school at White Lodge. The participants are chosen simply from photos as there is no audition. Last year, there were 427 applicants for the junior summer school, 113 were accepted, I guess the majority of those were J.A's from all th u.k. centres.
My daughter will try again next year. I wouldn't have put her through the audition if I didn't think she stood a chance, but it really bugs me that they don't tell you the reason. I understand that they don't want to get into arguments with stroppy parents who insist that a mistake has been made but the majority of parents just want to help their children achieve success the next time. If they were to tell me for example it's her posture that let her down, then we would work to correct that. The whole process is about flexibility first and foremost. That is why, on arrival, the first thing they were tested on was their bendy factor! forget musicality and technique. My daughter goes to ballet because she loves to dance. If she wanted to be a gymnast she'd go to gymnastics


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Flight

04-07-02, 06:09 AM (GMT)
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8. "RE: audition blues"
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   And then they get in to a company and critics and audiences complain bout the fact that they're hyperextended and are merely gymnasts.


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02-07-02, 07:18 PM (GMT)
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5. "RE: audition blues"
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   At the bottom of all audition application forms in a bold print is:

"Under no circumstances will corespondance be entered into if the outcome is unfavourable."

Beware the auditions secretaries! This is their favourite one liner!


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Flight

02-07-02, 07:24 PM (GMT)
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6. "RE: audition blues"
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   cc - my email has gone dodgy, but will reply! Sorry!!!

(Sorry to post this on a public page).


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