HomeMagazineListingsUpdateLinksContexts

 


 Ballet.co Postings Pages

 Some Special Threads:
  GPDTalk about George Piper Dances ! NEW !
  NBTTalk about Northern Ballet Theatre
  SBTalk about Scottish Ballet
  ENBTalk about English National Ballet
  BRBTalk about Birmingham Royal Ballet
  TodaysLinks - worldwide daily dance links
  Ballet.co GetTogethers - meetings and drinks...

  Help on New Postings


Subject: "cinderella video" Archived thread - Read only
 
  Previous Topic | Next Topic
Printer-friendly copy     Email this topic to a friend    
Conferences What's Happening Topic #2810
Reading Topic #2810
MICHAELT

13-06-02, 10:59 AM (GMT)
Click to EMail MICHAELT Click to send private message to MICHAELT Click to add this user to your buddy list  
"cinderella video"
 
   I've just been watching the RB's Cinderella video, taken from a 1969 tv recording. It is sensationally, dazzlingly good - Sibley and Dowell full of youth and ardour, Ashton and Helpmann matchless as the Ugly Sisters, etc. What really struck me, however, was the quality of the Fairy Variations - if anyone wants proof that the Ashton style has now been totally lost, they should watch Jenny Penney as Spring - the musicality, the phrasing, the footwork, the half-turns, the epaulement. Nowadays they just charge through it heedlessly, and all the detail is simply ignored. has anyone else got views on this?


  Printer-friendly page | Top

  Subject     Author     Message Date     ID  
  RE: cinderella video Helen 13-06-02 1
     RE: cinderella video Paul A 13-06-02 2
         RE: cinderella video AnnWilliams 13-06-02 3
             RE: cinderella video Shantrice 13-06-02 4
                 RE: cinderella video eugdog 13-06-02 5
             RE: cinderella video alison 13-06-02 6
                 RE: cinderella video Michael LL 14-06-02 7
                     RE: cinderella video Paul A 14-06-02 8

Conferences | Topics | Previous Topic | Next Topic
Helen

13-06-02, 11:16 AM (GMT)
Click to EMail Helen Click to send private message to Helen Click to view user profileClick to add this user to your buddy list  
1. "RE: cinderella video"
In response to message #0
 
   I agree that this is a marvellous video - I actually saw that cast, but only recently discovered the video. When I saw it, I remembered why I loved ballet so much - I was beginning to wonder.

I wish RB would occasionally do Cinderella at Christmas instead of Nutcracker. Even though it would be difficult to do it as well as the cast on the video, I can think of one or two dancers who should be given the chance to try.


  Printer-friendly page | Top
Paul A

13-06-02, 11:35 AM (GMT)
Click to EMail Paul%20A Click to send private message to Paul%20A Click to add this user to your buddy list  
2. "RE: cinderella video"
In response to message #1
 
   I'd never got on with seeing this on tv, in the late 70s I think, with Lesley Collier (?) - her debut, broadcast live. The first scene is a real turn off, gloomy, slow, unfunny.

So I was amazed when I saw it live for the first time in 1997 with Belinda Hatley. The second act particularly is a masterpiece in how the corps are moved on and off, like a real ball, great sense of movement. Hatley's entry down the stairs was excellent. The prince's cavaliers were spot on.

I remember the seasons and their attendants too as being very strong (sorry cannot recall the performers). They had real attack and crispness - real Ashton I thought. Mary Clarke wrote at the time that they were pretty good for the way in which Ashton is done now - so I guess there must be more nuance and detail than we get now. The midnight music and staging had real drama.

What I do not take to are the sisters. On another thread I suggested the pairing of Dowell and Mukhamedov, not completely in jest. At least they would create real characters.

Yes, let's see this again at Christmas. Or Fille.


  Printer-friendly page | Top
AnnWilliams

13-06-02, 12:04 PM (GMT)
Click to EMail AnnWilliams Click to send private message to AnnWilliams Click to view user profileClick to add this user to your buddy list  
3. "RE: cinderella video"
In response to message #2
 
   Helen/Paul: What a lovely idea - to have 'Cinderella' at Christmas instead of 'Nut'. Don't suppose it will happen, though (not this Christmas anyway).

I don't know how I managed to miss Hatley's Cinderella - she's one of my favourite dancers, and she'd be my first choice for a revival. There are number of other soloists (whose names escape me now) who would also be excellent, but I fear it would probably go to Cojocaru again. Not that I don't love Cojocaru, it's just that she seems to be automatic choice for everything these days, whether or not she's particularly suited (but now I come to think of it, she probably is particularly suited to Cinderella!). And if we could put aside all our doubts about Watson's readiness, wouldn't he make a fabulous prince?

O.K. Take it away, Stretton...


  Printer-friendly page | Top
Shantrice

13-06-02, 02:15 PM (GMT)
Click to EMail Shantrice Click to send private message to Shantrice Click to view user profileClick to add this user to your buddy list  
4. "RE: cinderella video"
In response to message #3
 
   Oh, I love that video! The whole production seems splendidly perfect. The music is enchanting. Costumes and sets are gorgeously grand. Dancers are beautiful. Choreography is elegant with full of grace. The story has a humour. Everything is traditionally English. From my point of a view, this is what famous English Style should be.

The only disappointment is the bad quality of the picture. Of course this was recorded in 1969 but the way it was recorded has a problem. Somehow the stage was zoomed out for most of the time and it's difficult to see the detailed steps of the dancers. Is it because the filming intended to show the well-ordered corps de ballet? I must say the sound quality is not good either. These are my impression by watching the video. Is the quality of DVD much better than video?


  Printer-friendly page | Top
eugdog

13-06-02, 05:12 PM (GMT)
Click to EMail eugdog Click to send private message to eugdog Click to add this user to your buddy list  
5. "RE: cinderella video"
In response to message #4
 
   I made some brief comments on the video in my reviews. I like it very much - but by todays standards the dancing is probably not athletic enough for todays audience. There is no point in arguing what WE like - but what today audience expects. I think today audience are not so concerned with epaulment, port de bras and the finer points of Ashton technique etc but about jumps, leaps, ulta-high extensions (which we do not see very many in the 1969 Cinderella).

Do not misunderstand me - I think the dancing is GREAT but it is just not "in" at the momment


  Printer-friendly page | Top
alison

13-06-02, 05:31 PM (GMT)
Click to EMail alison Click to send private message to alison Click to view user profileClick to add this user to your buddy list  
6. "RE: cinderella video"
In response to message #3
 
   >Helen/Paul: What a lovely idea -
>to have 'Cinderella' at Christmas
>instead of 'Nut'. Don't
>suppose it will happen, though
>(not this Christmas anyway).
>
Oh, don't we wish ... in fact, I'd rather have just about anything than yet another year of RB Nut, especially as ENB will also be doing Nutcracker pretty solidly over Christmas in London. When's the Ashton centenary ...?


  Printer-friendly page | Top
Michael LL

14-06-02, 02:05 AM (GMT)
Click to EMail Michael%20LL Click to send private message to Michael%20LL Click to add this user to your buddy list  
7. "RE: cinderella video"
In response to message #6
 
   I agree it is wonderful performance, and the subtlety and underplaying of Helpmann and Ashton is a joy, and makes you realise how impossible the Sisters are to cast. The epaulement,and unforced rounded arms are so obvious in the soloists and corps. The Season Fairies were particularly strongly cast in the video. However to be fair, we have had some superb Spring Fairies more recently, in Nicola Roberts and Sara Gallie. Hopefully Cinderella will be back next but one season, but I believe they sold the latest production to Japan.


  Printer-friendly page | Top
Paul A

14-06-02, 08:33 AM (GMT)
Click to EMail Paul%20A Click to send private message to Paul%20A Click to add this user to your buddy list  
8. "RE: cinderella video"
In response to message #7
 
   >I believe they sold the latest
>production to Japan.

Interesting: hope then of a better designed (ie less flummered) production.


  Printer-friendly page | Top

Conferences | Topics | Previous Topic | Next Topic

 
Questions or problems regarding this bulletin board should be directed to Bruce Marriott