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sylvia

07-06-02, 11:18 AM (GMT)
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"New poll: Does watching dance and ballet make you want to be a dancer?"
 
   ...and how many of us here actually take ballet/dance classes?

More interestingly, did anyone start taking classes as an adult since they started watching ballet/dance?

Responses please!


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  Subject     Author     Message Date     ID  
  RE: New poll: Does watching dance and ballet make you want t... sugar plum fairy 07-06-02 1
  RE: New poll: Does watching dance and ballet make you want t... MAB 07-06-02 2
     RE: New poll: Does watching dance and ballet make you want t... trogadmin 07-06-02 3
     RE: New poll: Does watching dance and ballet make you want t... Helen 07-06-02 4
     RE: New poll: Does watching dance and ballet make you want t... alison 07-06-02 5
  RE: New poll: Does watching dance and ballet make you want t... Annelieseagain 07-06-02 6
     RE: New poll: Does watching dance and ballet make you want t... Brendan McCarthymoderator 07-06-02 7
         RE: New poll: Does watching dance and ballet make you want t... Annelieseagain 07-06-02 8
     RE: New poll: Does watching dance and ballet make you want t... Caz 07-06-02 9
         RE: New poll: Does watching dance and ballet make you want t... Annelieseagain 07-06-02 10
             RE: New poll: Does watching dance and ballet make you want t... Brendan McCarthymoderator 07-06-02 11
                 RE: New poll: Does watching dance and ballet make you want t... Annelieseagain 07-06-02 12
                     RE: New poll: Does watching dance and ballet make you want t... Caz 07-06-02 13
                         RE: New poll: Does watching dance and ballet make you want t... cc 07-06-02 14
                             RE: New poll: Does watching dance and ballet make you want t... Flight 08-06-02 15
                             RE: New poll: Does watching dance and ballet make you want t... alison 13-06-02 20
                     RE: New poll: Does watching dance and ballet make you want t... vantienj 24-06-02 26
                 RE: New poll: Does watching dance and ballet make you want t... BlackRose 12-06-02 18
  RE: New poll: Does watching dance and ballet make you want t... suki 12-06-02 16
     RE: New poll: Does watching dance and ballet make you want t... BlackRose 12-06-02 17
         RE: New poll: Does watching dance and ballet make you want t... emma 13-06-02 19
             RE: New poll: Does watching dance and ballet make you want t... rym 16-06-02 21
                 RE: New poll: Does watching dance and ballet make you want t... Robert 16-06-02 22
                     RE: New poll: Does watching dance and ballet make you want t... Flight 17-06-02 23
                         RE: New poll: Does watching dance and ballet make you want t... sylvia 20-06-02 24
  RE: New poll: Does watching dance and ballet make you want t... vantienj 24-06-02 25

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sugar plum fairy

07-06-02, 11:50 AM (GMT)
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1. "RE: New poll: Does watching dance and ballet make you want to be a dancer?"
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   Sylvia ..i started taking classes about 4 months ago , i can't get to them all as i have other thingss i have to do...but i have always wanted to dance , but as you know my other love was science especially medicine so i couldn't do both..but now i'm nearing the end of the course i find i can ...i wish i had started earlier , but since i'm still very flexible that doesn't matter..i love it.. and like most people who watch ballet i wish i could dance everything , and who knows maybe i will ( not in a professional way!).


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MAB

07-06-02, 12:02 PM (GMT)
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2. "RE: New poll: Does watching dance and ballet make you want to be a dancer?"
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   Quite emphatically - No. Not many people enjoy working unsociable hours and there are far easier ways of earning a living. I suspect that most people who would reply otherwise aren't aware of the sheer slog that goes into being a classical dancer nor are they aware of the restrictions the profession imposes on a personal life.

However I DID once take up classes (Graham Technique) as an adult. I was working as an administrator with a contemporary group at the time and was coaxed into the classes by my dancer colleagues. Fine as a keep fit measure but not something I would relish doing every day for life. I must admit though that I would love to try my hand as a choreographer. I am so dance besotted that I can "see" dancing to almost every piece of music I hear. Its something I do unconsciously, but that isn't the same as actually dancing.

Ask dancers what they like doing when they are off stage and a large number will reply, "sleeping". That's not a life I could envy.


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trogadmin

07-06-02, 12:23 PM (GMT)
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3. "RE: New poll: Does watching dance and ballet make you want to be a dancer?"
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   LAST EDITED ON 07-06-02 AT 12:23 PM (GMT)

Watching doesn't make be want to be a professional dancer, but it does inspire me to try harder in the ballet classes that I do.
Actually that is a lie; I love doing my classes, so I don't need inspiration. They are my escape from the drudgery of work. Class is something to look forward to at the end of they day. I take four per week. I took it up about 8 years ago at the at the age of 37. My only regret is that there aren't more chaps there with me.


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Helen

07-06-02, 12:24 PM (GMT)
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4. "RE: New poll: Does watching dance and ballet make you want to be a dancer?"
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   I passionately wanted to be a dancer until I was about 15, when I realised that I was a) too tall and b) nowhere near good enough. I don't think I realised until quite recently what a very difficult career it is, so much a matter of chance as well as ability, so constantly threatened by injury, favouritism, and so many other things. I voted No - I wouldn't be a dancer for anything now. Couldn't stand the insecurity! But I still feel a pang of envy when I see those children from RBS onstage at Covent Garden.


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alison

07-06-02, 01:17 PM (GMT)
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5. "RE: New poll: Does watching dance and ballet make you want to be a dancer?"
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   >Quite emphatically - No. Not
>many people enjoy working unsociable
>hours and there are far
>easier ways of earning a
>living.

Not to mention better-paid ones! I've always thought you needed to be something of a masochist to go through all the pain and discomfort that dancers do. (Very glad they do, from my point of view, but just occasionally I feel guilty about it, especially when I discover that someone's dancing on an injury).

I suspect that
>most people who would reply
>otherwise aren't aware of the
>sheer slog that goes into
>being a classical dancer nor
>are they aware of the
>restrictions the profession imposes on
>a personal life.

Yes, the problems of forming a relationship and/or keeping it going when you are forever off round the country touring, not to mention not being able to go out in the evenings because you're always performing or rehearsing, and possibly having to cancel rare evenings out at the last minute because you're needed to replace someone else who's just been injured ... It's no wonder so many dancers take up with other people who're in a similar boat.

>However I DID once take up
>classes (Graham Technique) as an
>adult.

Me too, but "proper" ballet classes.


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Annelieseagain

07-06-02, 01:35 PM (GMT)
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6. "RE: New poll: Does watching dance and ballet make you want to be a dancer?"
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   I can't remember a time when I wouldn't have chucked my career in to be the fattest swan in the dodgiest middle european touring ballet company. Yes, all the uncertainty, the pain, the effort, the antisocial hours, the short career, the low pay, the abuse - if I had the talent to be a professional dancer I would do it. I come a lot closer to fulfilling the requts to be a professional musician - if I was as good a violist as I am a clarinettist then I reckon if I'd put my mind to it at about 15 I could have done it. But I knew I'd never be good enough as a wind player so didn't bother to put my mind to it. In truth, maybe I'm too innately risk-averse to take on a performing career, talent or not - but oh how passionately I would love to dance. What I DON'T know is what inspired me - it's always been there!


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Brendan McCarthymoderator

07-06-02, 03:15 PM (GMT)
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7. "RE: New poll: Does watching dance and ballet make you want to be a dancer?"
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   It has always been there for me too. And part of the pleasure of watching dance is rehearsing in your own mind, at some level, what it must be like to do it. I took contemporary classes when I was younger - stopped, and about a year and a half ago started to go to ballet classes. I go to two a week and am invariably the only man there. While I struggle with it, I'm terribly pleased to be doing it at all. It is much more fun than was going to the gym at Holmes Place (I gave up my membership) and a lot more meaningful.


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Annelieseagain

07-06-02, 03:25 PM (GMT)
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8. "RE: New poll: Does watching dance and ballet make you want to be a dancer?"
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It is
>much more fun than was
>going to the gym at
>Holmes Place (I gave up
>my membership) and a lot
>more meaningful.

I think you've probably expressed quite neatly why I consider dance and exercise as two very different things! A couple of years ago we were staying in a B&B in France where the owner's wife was a contemporary dance teacher. My husband, sort of conversationally, asked what people got out of the classes, did they go to get fit and lose weight. She - and I - looked baffled! That's a side effect, not the whole point!


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Caz

07-06-02, 03:36 PM (GMT)
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9. "RE: New poll: Does watching dance and ballet make you want to be a dancer?"
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   LAST EDITED ON 07-06-02 AT 03:38 PM (GMT)

I went to ballet classes 'til I was 17 and got completely bored with it, and then started again as an adult - starting to get bored with the classes again now. I don't think I've ever wanted to be a professional dancer though, so far as I remember. Far too much competition from other interests. Anyway, I really prefer jazz and modern to ballet, but my favourite to dance by a long way is flamenco and Latin american.

Come to think of it I wouldn't mind being a professional flamenco dancer


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Annelieseagain

07-06-02, 03:58 PM (GMT)
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10. "RE: New poll: Does watching dance and ballet make you want to be a dancer?"
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>Anyway, I really prefer jazz
>and modern to ballet, but
>my favourite to dance by
>a long way is flamenco
>and Latin american.
>
>Come to think of it I
>wouldn't mind being a professional
>flamenco dancer

I nearly took a flamenco course about 5 yrs ago but the prevailing view from family and friends was that I already stamped my foot and tossed my head quite enough!


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Brendan McCarthymoderator

07-06-02, 04:16 PM (GMT)
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11. "RE: New poll: Does watching dance and ballet make you want to be a dancer?"
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   What it has also given me an insight into is muscle memory. I feel that children develop it easily in the way that they learn to play the piano by ear. For adults it is much much harder.

I know I will never have that kind of muscle memory and am very envious and admiring of people who do. It also enhances my respect for dancers - I always knew they were bright, but now I know it in my bones.


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Annelieseagain

07-06-02, 04:26 PM (GMT)
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12. "RE: New poll: Does watching dance and ballet make you want to be a dancer?"
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   >What it has also given me
>an insight into is muscle
>memory. I feel that children
>develop it easily in the
>way that they learn to
>play the piano by ear.
>For adults it is much
>much harder.

Play from memory rather than play by ear, I think. I surprised myself when attending a prom concert to discover that some 10 years after last working on a piece I could still without thinking about it follow all the fingering. It's very much an unconscious process - switch the brain off and let the nerves move the muscles without your input. However, I don't think that it's any more particular to children than cerebral memory - anything that you learn young will stick with you.


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Caz

07-06-02, 04:42 PM (GMT)
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13. "RE: New poll: Does watching dance and ballet make you want to be a dancer?"
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   >Play from memory rather than play
>by ear, I think.

Agreed - it's the endless repetition, I think.

I can still play all my piano and guitar exam pieces from years ago - with fingers on autopilot. Same is true for ballet. I can remember all the exercises and pieces from dance school shows. I suspect that's why I get bored with ballet classes fairly quickly. Different with music 'coz I can always go and find new pieces to play.


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07-06-02, 07:32 PM (GMT)
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14. "RE: New poll: Does watching dance and ballet make you want to be a dancer?"
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i have an offer of a place from a dance school. i really want to dance but i know that i will be wasting my time because at the end of the three years i wont get a contract because of my shape (longish back, bum and chest). this along with the fact that ballet is v. tough and low paid (when i have good enough grades to do a well paid job such as medicine) is what i tell myself to prevent me from going to the school and avoiding heart ache at the end of the course.
then i go to the theatre and see dancers and wish i was them and in my mind i think: "im going to that school". its cruel.


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Flight

08-06-02, 09:10 AM (GMT)
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15. "RE: New poll: Does watching dance and ballet make you want to be a dancer?"
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   It was always assumed that I would follow the academic route (started reading when I was three, worked children two years older at school, etc.) and I accepted it. I saw my first ballet when I was eight, and started dancing myself when I was nine, but it was always looked upon as a hobby and not a desirable occupation. I fantasized about being a ballerina, but never thought about it seriously. When I was about thirteen, I suddenly decided that it was what I wanted to do, but by then I was too far behind people of my age who trained at vocational schools. I've now realised that, although if I'd begun serious training at a young age, I could probably have been a professional, I'm probably better off doing something academic. I have the same body type as cc above, and I too am predicted good grades (although I probably won't get them because I'm very lazy when it comes to academic work). However, like Anneliese I think that if someone offered me a place at a school, I would give up everything and take it!


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alison

13-06-02, 01:47 PM (GMT)
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20. "RE: New poll: Does watching dance and ballet make you want to be a dancer?"
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   Flight, that's such a shame! I thought you were actually doing vocational training, and was really pleased at the prospect of a dance student with as much brain as you've obviously got.


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vantienj

24-06-02, 10:49 AM (GMT)
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26. "RE: New poll: Does watching dance and ballet make you want to be a dancer?"
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   I know what you mean.
i learnt to play by ear-or maybe I could just do automatically, anyway, in eisteddfods and stuff, i can often just lose myself in the playing- it's almost like i become the music itself......


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12-06-02, 10:07 PM (GMT)
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18. "RE: New poll: Does watching dance and ballet make you want to be a dancer?"
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   >What it has also given me
>an insight into is muscle
>memory. I feel that children
>develop it easily in the
>way that they learn to
>play the piano by ear.
>For adults it is much
>much harder.

I truly don't think it is harder for adults. There are two ways to be successfull. One: You work your butt off through everything, and giving everything. Two: You have talent. And if you put both ways together then you're the best. Thats what I think.
Well I don't know if you know Scott Ambler but that guy started at the age of 19 as a JOKE. and he is now 40 something and he still dances. He danced in the modern version of Swan Lake around that age and had a lot of success.

Peace


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suki

12-06-02, 06:40 PM (GMT)
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16. "RE: New poll: Does watching dance and ballet make you want to be a dancer?"
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   Yes!!

I danced as a child but only until the age of 12 and up to about grade 4. I started going to ballet lessons at the age of 35 about 18 months ago I intended to just get fit in an enjoyable way - but I am now completely hooked.

I took and passed my pre-elementary grade last November and am now on pointe and hoping to take my elementary this November.I currently do 2 1 hour ballet lessons a week and a 1 hour tap lesson ... and yes I did get fit!

My two children (boy of 8 and girl of 3) both dance with the same teacher as I do and it is great to share the same interest.

To anybody thinking of starting lessons I would say go for it. I cannot imagine life without dancing now!


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BlackRose

12-06-02, 10:03 PM (GMT)
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17. "RE: New poll: Does watching dance and ballet make you want to be a dancer?"
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   the problem is not going to the lessons... the problem is PAYING for them... grrr...


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emma

13-06-02, 11:05 AM (GMT)
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19. "RE: New poll: Does watching dance and ballet make you want to be a dancer?"
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   No watching dance dosent make me want to be a dancer. Maybe want to be able to do some of the steps but not be a dancer on stage.

My memories of dancing as a child/teen are far less happy than those of other types of performing, too much to remember when out there and far harder for me to get 'lost' in it.


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rym

16-06-02, 03:38 PM (GMT)
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21. "RE: New poll: Does watching dance and ballet make you want to be a dancer?"
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   I can't imagine my life without dancing. All my friends look down on it but I have to do it. It sounds silly but I couldn't stop, even if I wanted to. When I see a ballet on stage I feel really inspired, and almost priviliged because I know about ballet. When you're sitting in the bar and everyone is talking about the show,you feel as though you're part of the ballet world.The pain, the blood, the tears and the sweat are all worth it for that one moment when you're dancing when you truly feel alive, and you truly feel happy. It's what any art is all about.


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Robert

16-06-02, 05:26 PM (GMT)
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22. "RE: New poll: Does watching dance and ballet make you want to be a dancer?"
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   I'm too old. I know Merce Cunningham is arranging something for mature dancers but it will probably be to terrible music. I have always done folk dancing. I regularly do Scottish dancing, I think that is enough. The man that teaches us is 81 and still going strong.


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Flight

17-06-02, 09:11 PM (GMT)
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23. "RE: New poll: Does watching dance and ballet make you want to be a dancer?"
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   Robert, I always think of you when I hear 'bad' music at the ballet!

Alison - brain? What brain? Don't think my maths teacher would agree with you!

I am led to believe that muscles don't actually have memory, although they can get used to a movement.


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sylvia

20-06-02, 12:26 PM (GMT)
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24. "RE: New poll: Does watching dance and ballet make you want to be a dancer?"
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   Results from poll:

Yes, yes, yes!: 65.9%
No: 15.9%
Yes: 13.6%
No, no, no!: 3.4%
not sure: 1.1%

Is it such a surprise? It seems we are a dreamy bunch with an overwhelming 80% wishing we could be the ones on stage! What was particularly nice were the reflections in this thread - thanks for posting!

Sylvia


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vantienj

24-06-02, 10:40 AM (GMT)
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25. "RE: New poll: Does watching dance and ballet make you want to be a dancer?"
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   yes, it does!
Take me for example. I've never had a proper dancing lesson in my whole life-but I love it!!!!
love from Johanna


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