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eugdog

04-06-02, 03:59 PM (GMT)
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"People who ask for videos of ballet onSky tv"
 
   LAST EDITED ON 04-06-02 AT 04:03 PM (GMT)

With the strong opinions expressed over the matter of copyright of ballet performances I think it is appropriate to start a debate on issue of swapping vieeos etc.

Copying of anything off TV for distribution to other people is certainly in breach of copy right -esp if it off a subscription channel, one should read their Sky contract. Moreover the people who have the rights to the ballet are being deprived of income and that is not right.

However I think it is morally acceptable to give a copy of a video to those who do not have REASONABLE access to the program by other means. In this case there is no deprivation of income because it is not possible to see the program much less pay for it.

The most important word in all this is "reasonable" Anything can be obtain for the right money - but sometimes the price would be so high and out of preportion to the value of the product obtained. (ie a video of the unreleased Royal ballet La Bayedere would cost thousands to obtain legally because copyright lawyers need to be consulted and the master tape retreived for copying. That would not be reasonable in my view!)

If the video is available in the shops in VHS and DVD format then under no circumstance should one offer to make a copy of the video. He can buy the video from the shop. (At least one person on this web site has asked for a copy of ballet video available in the shop)

I consider programes on Sky TV to fall within the definition of "reasonable". Under normal circumstances one should not offer a video of a ballet which is being broadcast on Sky TV (ie Artsworld).

However exception should be made for students (esp those who live in halls of residence) and those who have cable - it is unreasonable to expect a cable subscriber to also have Sky satelite as there is considerable duplication of channels.

But I am not sympathetic to those who refuse to subscribe to SKY, argueing it is all trash etc or because it is Murdoch. It is a good product at a reasonable price. And principles have no value if there is no sacrifice! I should also point out that Artsworld are an independant company from Sky. They should not have to suffer because they have to rely on Murdoch's Sky TV to broadcast their signal.

Other people who do not have reasonable access are people living abroad and those who are not able to have Sky or cable installed. I have given many videos to friends in America!


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  Subject     Author     Message Date     ID  
  RE: People who ask for videos of ballet onSky tv Terry Amos 04-06-02 1
     RE: People who ask for videos of ballet onSky tv eugdog 05-06-02 2
         RE: People who ask for videos of ballet onSky tv Robert 05-06-02 3
             RE: People who ask for videos of ballet onSky tv Flight 08-06-02 4
                 RE: People who ask for videos of ballet onSky tv eugdog 08-06-02 5
                     RE: People who ask for videos of ballet onSky tv Flight 08-06-02 6
                         RE: People who ask for videos of ballet onSky tv Flight 08-06-02 7
                             RE: People who ask for videos of ballet onSky tv Robert 09-06-02 8
                             RE: People who ask for videos of ballet onSky tv Odette 09-06-02 9

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Terry Amos

04-06-02, 07:53 PM (GMT)
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1. "RE: People who ask for videos of ballet onSky tv"
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   I subscribe to cable which doesn't carry Artsworld. So is it reasonable for friends to make copies for me?

Actually there is only one programme I wanted. Is it reasonable for someone not interested in most of Sky's channels to subscribe to Sky and to Artsworld just for one programme per year?

How does BBC Four fit into your scheme?


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eugdog

05-06-02, 02:53 PM (GMT)
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2. "RE: People who ask for videos of ballet onSky tv"
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   I said in my posting that if you have cable one cannot reasonably have Sky as well.

I would assume that anything on BBC is fair game for non-commercial use because it is a national service. (Note that Sky charges big fees to pubs to show their stuff but the BBC and ITV do not).

There are some who say that because they are only interested in one channel on Sky (artsworld) it is unreasonable to get the entire service at approx 30-40 per month. There is no obvious answer to that question! But Sky have so many culture channels I think it is unlikely that only one channel would be of interest to you. Lets face 15 "culture" channels on Sky is going to be better then just 1 or 2 culture channels on the BBC!


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Robert

05-06-02, 04:06 PM (GMT)
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3. "RE: People who ask for videos of ballet onSky tv"
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   I subscribe to Sky for Artsworld and a clear picture on BBC Two. Not being interested in football or porn I pay the lowest possible Sky subscription and extra for Artsworld.(about 15 a month in all.) BBC 4 have shown a few interesting programmes, including a broadcast from the BRB( which I was at!), but they are few and far between, in fact it is expensive dissappointing and very PC..Artsworld is within the limitations of a small budget excellent, lots of ballet and opera and some interesting art and literary programmes, all the sort of stuff BBC Two should be showing for free. What I do get is a very good clear picture except when birds sit on my discreet dish!


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Flight

08-06-02, 10:08 AM (GMT)
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4. "RE: People who ask for videos of ballet onSky tv"
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   Some people are physically unable to get cable TV, for example people who live in small villages. Would an exception be made for them?


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eugdog

08-06-02, 12:05 PM (GMT)
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5. "RE: People who ask for videos of ballet onSky tv"
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   Most should be able to get satelite. But that might be no always possible because of trees or appartment tennacy agreements which prohibit dishes (not legal in the US). You could be also living in grade 2 listed building as well. As I said - if you cannot REASONABLY get satelite then it is OK to obtain copies of videos. Physical and legal impediments do mean NOT REASONABLE access. But this is a very small minority


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Flight

08-06-02, 01:05 PM (GMT)
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6. "RE: People who ask for videos of ballet onSky tv"
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   Just to clarify, some people who live in villages cannot get cable because the companies think it is too much work for too few people. Perhaps people living in London with everything at their convenience were not aware of that?


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Flight

08-06-02, 02:19 PM (GMT)
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7. "RE: People who ask for videos of ballet onSky tv"
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   And people living in grade 2 listed buildings can often have a sattelite dish as long as they have it at the back of the house.


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Robert

09-06-02, 07:16 PM (GMT)
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8. "RE: People who ask for videos of ballet onSky tv"
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   I have a dish at the back of the house, quite invisible from the road, my nearest neighbour has one in the garden some way from the house. Here there is no real alternative, we are a long way from the nearest cable and it is almost impossible to pick up BBC Two on ordinary TV.
P.S Eudog:Thank you for the info on Digital Classics channel 464 it has some interesting ballet and opera, all for free too!


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Odette

09-06-02, 08:11 PM (GMT)
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9. "RE: People who ask for videos of ballet onSky tv"
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   I am a student, am I eligible to ask people to video things for me as we can't get cable (small rural village) and satellite is out of the question-I don't want to offend anyone by asking or to get into trouble with other members of the board!! Please remember that we learn by watching the greats!!


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