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katharine kanter

23-05-02, 10:17 AM (GMT)
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"May 2002 Dance Europe Editorial"
 
   Allow me to draw readers' attention to the latest Dance Europe editorial - May issue. The editor, who is, I believe Emma Manning, refers to the recent events at Jenin, writes, inter alia, that the Palestinians cannot be asked to pay for the crimes of the Nazis, and concludes that the issue must necessarily concern the world of art.

As a Jew myself, may I say that I cannot but endorse Miss Manning's stand, the more so, as she has gone ahead, on the heels of a campaign against the MP Gerard Kauffmann, who had said very much the same thing.

My purpose in posting is not to attract an amount of to-ing and fro-ing, that would be inappropriate for a site devoted to artistic matters, but rather because I believe that when someone has the courage of their convictions, it cannot simply be ignored.


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  Subject     Author     Message Date     ID  
  RE: May 2002 Dance Europe Editorial Brendan McCarthymoderator 23-05-02 1
     RE: May 2002 Dance Europe Editorial eugdog 23-05-02 2
         RE: May 2002 Dance Europe Editorial Brendan McCarthymoderator 23-05-02 3
             RE: May 2002 Dance Europe Editorial eugdog 23-05-02 4
                 RE: May 2002 Dance Europe Editorial Carly Gillies 23-05-02 5
                     RE: May 2002 Dance Europe Editorial eugdog 23-05-02 6
                         RE: May 2002 Dance Europe Editorial Carly Gillies 23-05-02 7

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Brendan McCarthymoderator

23-05-02, 10:23 AM (GMT)
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1. "RE: May 2002 Dance Europe Editorial"
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   LAST EDITED ON 23-05-02 AT 10:25 AM (GMT)

I heartily agree with Katharine. Like her I salute people like Gerald Kaufman, who have been incredibly brave in speaking truth to their own faith community.

I look forward to reading Ms Manning's editorial.


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eugdog

23-05-02, 11:11 AM (GMT)
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2. "RE: May 2002 Dance Europe Editorial"
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   LAST EDITED ON 23-05-02 AT 11:21 AM (GMT)

LAST EDITED ON 23-05-02 AT 11:15 AM (GMT)

I think a better topic for discussion is why is Ms Manning making prenouncements on the Palestinian Problem in a dance magazine?


Whilst I agree with Ms Manning and G. Kaufman standpoint, I think this is outside the world of dance and ballet. We should not discuss it on this web site.


As for Ms Manning "courage" of her convictions - there is nothing particularly unusual about people taking controversial and not always popular stands. Le Pen does the same thing (and so do the suicide bombers!).


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Brendan McCarthymoderator

23-05-02, 11:36 AM (GMT)
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3. "RE: May 2002 Dance Europe Editorial"
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   LAST EDITED ON 23-05-02 AT 11:46 AM (GMT)

I disagree with Eugene. You might argue that events in the Middle East, and since November 11th, have nothing to do with the world of literature; yet the subject has convulsed the literary magazines. You might argue that the Second World War had nothing to do with dance and ballet; yet it brought forth Ashton's Dante Sonata, and, after the war, his Symphonic Variations. You might argue that the Achille Lauro hijacking had nothing to do with opera; yet it brought forth John Adam's opera The Death of Klinghoffer.

Everything in life affects everything else - and unless ballet is to be completely 'mimsy' (C Crisp) or 'Princess Tina' (C Hampson), it has to pay some attention to reality. Reality, at some level, is the very stuff of its working material.

There is another dimension to this. Jewish people have been powerfully formative in the arts (including this one) in the last century. Their intellectual concerns are particularly and inextricably bound up with those of the artistic community.

By all of this I don't propose (and neither did Katharine) that we have a huge debate about art and politics. But I do not think she was wrong to raise the subject. The fact that the editor of Dance Europe thought it fit to devote an editorial to events in the Middle East was, at least to me, intrinsically interesting.


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eugdog

23-05-02, 12:57 PM (GMT)
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4. "RE: May 2002 Dance Europe Editorial"
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   I take your point Brendan - but I think the problems in the middle east are too remote from ballet to be discussed on a ballet site except where it is relevant to ballet.( a discussion about life in the Israeli ballet would be relevant) We could argue about many other issue - like Abortion to the debate about drugs etc. But the link to ballet is too wea in my view.

Furthermore the middle east has been discussed in newspaper articles ad-nauseum. I do not think think Emma Manning has said anything new (I have not read it so I cannot say). Do not get me wrong - I am very interested in middle eastern politics (I love politics in general) but there is a time and place for disucssion of it.


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Carly Gillies

23-05-02, 02:24 PM (GMT)
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5. "RE: May 2002 Dance Europe Editorial"
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   Eugene

You paradoxically state that you think we should not discuss political issues on this site, and then proceed to offer your own opinions on the matter - Not fair!

Personally I am happy to discuss any topic that any one else thinks important enough to raise, however contraversial it is - As long as I have an interest or a view on it that I feel is worth sharing.
The link to dance may be a tenuous one in this case, but I don't see the harm in any discussion, as long as it's respectful.

(some of my favorite ballets have an overtly political theme)

Anyway here's someone else's view - a poem - inspired by the events in Jenin and reproduced here with the consent of the author.

The Latest Solution:

Dark deeds by dark forces were done in Jenin
Behind their armoured blackout screen.
Vultures hover where Black Hawks spat fire,
Bloody rags hang on rubble and wire.
An all-pervading stench of death
From crushed corpses in dark corners.
Where are the men ?

Well Mr Powell, we found
22 rifles with your lazer sights
Good against stone –throwing boys
They killed with less noise.
But when it came to
Cowardly kids regardless of sex
Blowing themselves up with their belts of Semtex
And killing our innocent folk
It was no longer a joke.
So we pounded the town to the ground.
You say they found crushed bodies inside?
Well, it costs time to turn a ‘dozer aside, and not
Plough on ahead with the plant we’ve got.
We’ve sanitized the place.
You’ll appreciate the need for open space
Where terrorists and germs can’t breed.

Don’t worry, Sir, they’ll tidy it up -
Like they did with Belsen .
Bit of turf here, rose-beds there.
All fine and dandy !
Nice bit of real-estate….
For the right sort of people
At a future date.

But young eyes that have seen
What the world could not see
Will remember Jenin ..
Where dark forces have mown
Dragon-seed has been sown.

16.04.02


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eugdog

23-05-02, 02:31 PM (GMT)
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6. "RE: May 2002 Dance Europe Editorial"
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   But I have not given my opinion!!!! - except in teeny one line -

and that was only to show that my objection to Emma Manning postings was only due to its lack of relevence to ballet and not because I disagree with its views.


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Carly Gillies

23-05-02, 03:24 PM (GMT)
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7. "RE: May 2002 Dance Europe Editorial"
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   Well ok, But you do 1) say that you agree with other people's already stated views, 2) make an interesting observation about "convictions" with examples, and 3) state that the middle east has been discussed "ad nauseam" - presumably your own.

Paradoxically again, by suggesting that this is not a suitable subject for discussion, you are in fact lengthening this thread by discussion of it. I think we are now engaged in the very to-ing and fro-ing that Katherine was wanting to avoid. ( Not that I mind that in the least)


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