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sylvia

03-05-02, 04:35 PM (GMT)
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"Other Natalia Petrovnas"
 
   I've only seen Sylvie Guillem and Muriel Valtat in the role and I was intrigued to read in the R&J program that Genesia Rosato had a go as well. I was wondering if anyone could tell me what she was like and was curious who else had interpreted the role say in the last 10 years. Does anyone have any thoughts as to who else in the current company should be given a chance as Natalia, or as Beliaev for that matter?


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  Subject     Author     Message Date     ID  
  RE: Other Natalia Petrovnas Anneliese 03-05-02 1
     RE: Other Natalia Petrovnas MAB 03-05-02 2
         RE: Other Natalia Petrovnas AEHandley 03-05-02 3
             RE: Other Natalia Petrovnas Sharon 04-05-02 4
                 RE: Other Natalia Petrovnas Tomoko.A 04-05-02 5
                     RE: Other Natalia Petrovnas sylvia 04-05-02 6
                         RE: Other Natalia Petrovnas Jane S 04-05-02 7
                             RE: Other Natalia Petrovnas AEHandley 04-05-02 11
                         RE: Other Natalia Petrovnas Hiromi M 04-05-02 8
                             RE: Other Natalia Petrovnas AEHandley 04-05-02 12
                         RE: Other Natalia Petrovnas alison 07-05-02 25
                     RE: Other Natalia Petrovnas AEHandley 04-05-02 10
                         RE: Other Natalia Petrovnas Sharon 04-05-02 13
                             RE: Other Natalia Petrovnas AEHandley 05-05-02 17
                 RE: Other Natalia Petrovnas AEHandley 04-05-02 9
                     RE: Other Natalia Petrovnas sylvia 04-05-02 14
                         RE: Other Natalia Petrovnas Michael LL 05-05-02 15
                             RE: Other Natalia Petrovnas AEHandley 05-05-02 18
                         RE: Other Natalia Petrovnas AEHandley 05-05-02 19
         RE: Other Natalia Petrovnas Kevin Ng 05-05-02 16
             RE: Other Natalia Petrovnas Michael LL 06-05-02 20
                 RE: Other Natalia Petrovnas Kevin Ng 06-05-02 21
                     RE: Other Natalia Petrovnas sylvia 06-05-02 22
                         RE: Other Natalia Petrovnas AnnWilliams 06-05-02 23
                             RE: Other Natalia Petrovnas Paul A 07-05-02 24
                             RE: Other Natalia Petrovnas Michael LL 08-05-02 26
                             RE: Other Natalia Petrovnas Paul A 08-05-02 27
                             RE: Other Natalia Petrovnas Paul A 08-05-02 28
                             RE: Other Natalia Petrovnas sylvia 09-05-02 29
                             RE: Other Natalia Petrovnas AEHandley 09-05-02 30
                             RE: Other Natalia Petrovnas Paul A 09-05-02 31
  RE: Other Natalia Petrovnas James Huw Jeffries 14-05-02 32
     RE: Other Natalia Petrovnas Michael LL 15-05-02 33
         RE: Other Natalia Petrovnas MAB 15-05-02 34
             RE: Other Natalia Petrovnas Jane S 15-05-02 35
                 RE: Other Natalia Petrovnas AnnWilliams 15-05-02 36
             RE: Other Natalia Petrovnas Paul A 15-05-02 39
         RE: Other Natalia Petrovnas James Huw Jeffries 15-05-02 37
         RE: Other Natalia Petrovnas James Huw Jeffries 15-05-02 38
             RE: Other Natalia Petrovnas Paul A 13-06-02 40
                 RE: Other Natalia Petrovnas alison 14-06-02 41

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Anneliese

03-05-02, 05:08 PM (GMT)
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1. "RE: Other Natalia Petrovnas"
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   I saw Tracy Brown ten years ago. As Beliaev, Kobborg for a start! Not too familiar with the current crop of men in the company but Kobborg is an absolute natural for this role. He reminds me a great deal of Dowell in many ways. As Natalia, well Viviana would have been something IMO, but I would also have thought that Miyako could bring this off with the right partner. Darcey could do it I suppose (her acting is improving) and maybe Leanne Benjamin should be given a chance. I think that Alina should probably wait but Tamara could be fabulous in it. It really narks me that Sylvie is monopolising this wonderful piece!


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MAB

03-05-02, 05:23 PM (GMT)
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2. "RE: Other Natalia Petrovnas"
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   LAST EDITED ON 03-05-02 AT 05:26 PM (GMT)

It
>really narks me that Sylvie
>is monopolising this wonderful piece!
>

Could that be because it was intended to be danced by an older woman? It would be worth inviting Nina Ananiashvili in to dance it now that more mature dancers no longer exist at Covent Garden.


By the way, no one has got within spitting distance of Seymour in Month in the Country.


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AEHandley

03-05-02, 10:01 PM (GMT)
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3. "RE: Other Natalia Petrovnas"
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   I don't really buy this older woman bit. I agree that Alina is too young, but Natalia was supposedly only about 26 or so! And if you're going to play the age card, Jonathan Cope is at least 15 years too old for Beliaev... but anyway, just because the first exponent of a role wasn't young doesn't mean it always has to be so. It very much depends on the balletic and dramatic gifts of the individual - and I find Guillem's dancing rather uninteresting so as I said it narks me that the more interesting dancers in the company are barred from this work!


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Sharon

04-05-02, 09:16 AM (GMT)
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4. "RE: Other Natalia Petrovnas"
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   Having seen them all , without a doubt Seymour and Valtat by far the the most suited, both gifted actors and superb dancers.
Guillem in this role most disapointing,acts herself not Natalia, I also object to her differant costume and wig, I will never understand why she is allowed to change the costumes, while others, not that they would wish to do so, but would not be allowed to.
Cojocaru is much to precious to dance this role, maybe when she is OLDER, Rojo not lyrical , so would be most unsuitable.
Benjamin would be greatmn also Galeazzi, both lovely dancers and great actors.
I think it is criminal that Valtat, only has one matinee, being the very best Natalia at this time, also she is a member of the company, does this not count.
Valtat I would have loved to see dance Marguarite, but the powers that be seem to see, only a handful of the chosen few, Guillem Rojo and Cojocaru seem to be the chosen ones.


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Tomoko.A

04-05-02, 12:32 PM (GMT)
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5. "RE: Other Natalia Petrovnas"
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   I didn't notice Sylvie in a different costume in the last summer season. I personally think she is a good actress/dancer and great in this role. But maybe because I didn't see those wonderful dancers mentioned here and can't compare.


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sylvia

04-05-02, 01:03 PM (GMT)
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6. "RE: Other Natalia Petrovnas"
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   Thanks for the thoughts. I'm really surprised that no other dancers have come up. What about other Beliaev's then - past and future? I remember seeing Bruce Samson dance an extract with Sarah Wildor in the Opening Gala - did he ever dance the entire ballet?

Is Sylvie's costume really that different? I've seen Seymour on tape and I hadn't noticed any differences. I thought both were very touching.

Regarding Marguerite, I think that it was such a huge step in allowing anyone to dance the role at all. So maybe now Sylvie's paved the way for other dancers to have a go. I'm always hopeful.


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Jane S

04-05-02, 01:46 PM (GMT)
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7. "RE: Other Natalia Petrovnas"
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   I'd like to see Cervera or Stepanek as Beliaev - Cervera, as we know from Ondine, is an Ashton stylist, and he seems to have Dowell's ability to change direction in a nanosecond (he'd make a good Troyte, too, I should think); and Stepanek has just the look I imagine for the role - slightly bewildered about the effect he's having! Or Maloney maybe. (Personally I think Cope is too old - but then I thought Dowell was, too, in his later years.)


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AEHandley

04-05-02, 05:38 PM (GMT)
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11. "RE: Other Natalia Petrovnas"
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   Yes, Cervera would be good but then who would play Kolya? I'm still voting for Kobborg here - seems criminal not to give it to him!


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Hiromi M

04-05-02, 05:31 PM (GMT)
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8. "RE: Other Natalia Petrovnas"
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   Sansom has been my best Beliaev ever. He danced with several wonderful Natalias --Genesia Rosato, Altynai Asylmuratova, Sylvie Guillem and Muriel Valtat -- as far as I remember.

I love to see Gillian Revie as Natalia some day!


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AEHandley

04-05-02, 05:39 PM (GMT)
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12. "RE: Other Natalia Petrovnas"
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   Anyone else think that Gillian Revie looks like June Allyson? (hoping I've got the right film star here!)


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alison

07-05-02, 06:00 PM (GMT)
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25. "RE: Other Natalia Petrovnas"
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   I remember seeing
>Bruce Samson dance an extract
>with Sarah Wildor in the
>Opening Gala - did he
>ever dance the entire ballet?

Oh yes (happy reminiscences ...)

>
Is Sylvie's costume really that different?

I'm sure she didn't have tights on last time I saw her.


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AEHandley

04-05-02, 05:36 PM (GMT)
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10. "RE: Other Natalia Petrovnas"
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   Last summer the costume was identical to Seymour's, all except the fact that she wasn't wearing tights.


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Sharon

04-05-02, 06:20 PM (GMT)
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13. "RE: Other Natalia Petrovnas"
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   >Last summer the costume was identical
>to Seymour's, all except the
>fact that she wasn't wearing
>tights.

SYLVIE HAD AN OFF THE SHOULDER DRESS, WHICH IS NOT THE ORIGINAL AND HER WIG DID NOT HAVE THE BRAIDS AROUND THE EARS, WHICH OTHER NATALIA'S HAVE HAD INCLUDING SEYMOUR.


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AEHandley

05-05-02, 11:32 PM (GMT)
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17. "RE: Other Natalia Petrovnas"
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   It looked exactly the same to me - she must just have pushed it down the shoulders a bit! Not a big deal, though, really.


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04-05-02, 05:32 PM (GMT)
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9. "RE: Other Natalia Petrovnas"
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   >Cojocaru is much to precious to
>dance this role, maybe when
>she is OLDER,

Yes, absolutely.

>Rojo not
>lyrical , so would be
>most unsuitable.

Don't agree here - I think Rojo can be absolutely magical, she's very very far from all fire and snap.

>Benjamin would be great

I'm not totally sure about this but think she should get a go, but she doesn't seem popular with Stretton.

>also Galeazzi,
>both lovely dancers and great
>actors.

Oh yes, how could I forget Galeazzi!!!! WOuld like to see Hatley when she's back too.

In response to whoever asked about Bruce S, I'm sure I saw him as Belaiev with Tracy Brown but old programmes are in the loft now so can't check.


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sylvia

04-05-02, 06:27 PM (GMT)
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14. "RE: Other Natalia Petrovnas"
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   I always liked Nicola Tranah as an actress and she might have been interesting at Natalia but I guess it's not going to happen. I don't know if Rojo is suited to the role but I disagree very strongly with the comment that she is not lyrical. On the contrary I think she is one of the most lyrical dancers we have. What about Zenaida Yanowsky? And Marinaela Nunez showed she can do petulant in Onegin, would be fun to see what she makes of Ashton's choreography as Vera! I can't think of many Beliaevs I'd like to see but I agree with Cervera wholeheartedly after watching what neat work he made at such dizzying speed in R&J.


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Michael LL

05-05-02, 02:34 AM (GMT)
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15. "RE: Other Natalia Petrovnas"
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   There was great debate about Sylvies change of costume when she first danced the role, and I hated her in it. Ten years later, she is an infintely more subtle artist, except that it was unforgivable that she danced last year in shoes without ribbons and no tights. I suppose we'll have the same this year. For me, we should see Kobborg as Belaiev as soon as possible. Natalias have been taller since Sylvie, but used to be smaller. I wish that Lesley Collier had danced it, and I bet she still could! Yoshida, Rojo and Benjamin would I think grace the part, from the present company, but I think Ananiashvili is a wonderful suggestion.


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AEHandley

05-05-02, 11:33 PM (GMT)
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18. "RE: Other Natalia Petrovnas"
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   Did Collier never dance it? Amazing - she would have been the obvious choice for about 15 years!


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AEHandley

05-05-02, 11:37 PM (GMT)
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19. "RE: Other Natalia Petrovnas"
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   Hmm yes, I too think Tranah is a fabulous actress and would be great in this work. Hadn't thought of Nunez as Vera, but it's a good idea (if they ditch the blonde wig!). But if Kobborg is to dance Beliaev (one day I'll learn the correct transliteration of that), and surely he MUST and soon, we need a small Natalia. Oooh it's so annoying that we're not getting the chance to cast this properly!


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Kevin Ng

05-05-02, 01:58 PM (GMT)
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16. "RE: Other Natalia Petrovnas"
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   >By the way, no one has
>got within spitting distance of
>Seymour in Month in the
>Country.

Seymour's Natalia in 1977 happened to be the first Royal Ballet performance that I attended. But I also remember that in the 1980s both Antoinette Sibley and Natalia Makarova also gave memorable performances of this ballerina role; both were partnered by Dowell. I found Makarova more moving of the two.



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Michael LL

06-05-02, 02:22 AM (GMT)
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20. "RE: Other Natalia Petrovnas"
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   Sibley danced first with a very tempestuous Baryshnikov in the 1985 revival, and later with Dowell. Julie Rose was the Vera, the best I recall, and voted best minor role of that year in the Dance and Dancers poll I think. Incidentally there is a fragment of Seymour and Dowell in the forthcoming events film showing in the ROH link at present.


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Kevin Ng

06-05-02, 02:54 AM (GMT)
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21. "RE: Other Natalia Petrovnas"
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   Michael, thanks for reminding me. I had nearly forgotten about Sibley's earlier performances with Baryshnikov in this ballet.


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sylvia

06-05-02, 03:00 PM (GMT)
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22. "RE: Other Natalia Petrovnas"
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   Thanks for the replies! Some were a real surprise, particularly Asylmuratova, and Sibley with Baryshnikov! (Would love to hear your impressions Kevin!) Out of curiosity, is 'Month' only in the RB's repertory or has it been staged anywhere else?


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AnnWilliams

06-05-02, 05:59 PM (GMT)
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23. "RE: Other Natalia Petrovnas"
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   It has certainly been staged by the POB and I think American Ballet Theatre have done it too, but someone will correct me if I'm wrong here.


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Paul A

07-05-02, 08:49 AM (GMT)
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24. "RE: Other Natalia Petrovnas"
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   Sibley (with Baryshnikov in 1985) was a vapid blank. Being an "older" dancer did not help but he was a very rough partner with all the women in this.

Seen Sandra Conley, Marguerite Porter in this too - rather bland copies of Seymour. Merle Park was grander. None was as capricious as Natalia needs to be.

Don't think Collier ever did this.


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Michael LL

08-05-02, 02:00 AM (GMT)
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26. "RE: Other Natalia Petrovnas"
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   Outside the RB Month has I think only been done by Karen Kain in Canada, and it is of course "owned" by Dowell under Ashtons will. I adored Sibley and Baryshnikov, and thought his partnering masterly, especially of Julie Rose as Vera. Leslie Spatt took some wonderful photos which I treasure. Thats the joy of ballet - never the same for everyone!


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Paul A

08-05-02, 12:23 PM (GMT)
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27. "RE: Other Natalia Petrovnas"
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   >Thats the joy
>of ballet - never the
>same for everyone!


Michael too true. I couldn't agree with any of your statements (each to their own of course): I bought the Leslie Spatt photos to preserve the memory although I have never liked his/her photography.

The comment about partnering was partly based on what I saw - inconsiderate and rough - but also I seem to remember a comment from one of the cast (don't remember who) published somewhere who said she felt insecure with Baryshnikov.

I wonder whether "Month" will ever be redesigned. Think the pretty-pretty designs swamp the ballet in sacharine. Something simpler, far less grand would let the rawness of the emotions surface more authentically.

Agree with the earlier comments about guests limiting opportunities for other dancers in this work - but if that's the cost of keeping a bit of Ashton alive let's grab it.

Does anybody know which cast is doing the rehearsal on 18 May?


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Paul A

08-05-02, 12:32 PM (GMT)
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28. "RE: Other Natalia Petrovnas"
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   Hubert Essakow for Beliaev?


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sylvia

09-05-02, 02:33 AM (GMT)
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29. "RE: Other Natalia Petrovnas"
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   >but also I seem to
>remember a comment from one
>of the cast (don't remember
>who) published somewhere who said
>she felt insecure with Baryshnikov.

I remember reading that comment somewhere as well, though in my case it wasn't specifically about Month.

>
>I wonder whether "Month" will ever
>be redesigned. Think the pretty-pretty
>designs swamp the ballet in
>sacharine. Something simpler, far less
>grand would let the rawness
>of the emotions surface more
>authentically.

Gosh, I wouldn't want that. I actually think the beauty of the set could mirror the lacquered superficial lives the family leads and the contrast when everything falls apart exposes the rawness of their emotions far more. Besides, it's such a beautiful and detailed set, it's most definitely my favourite!

>Does anybody know which cast is
>doing the rehearsal on 18
>May?

I'm predicting they'll give it to first cast since they have to dance all but one of the performances. Could be wrong though. But in the both Memories and Enduring Images bills they gave the rehearsal to the first cast which was dancing that same night. And isn't it partly based on need for whoever needs the stage time? I hope it's the 2nd cast though since I'm already going for the performance that night!


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AEHandley

09-05-02, 03:03 PM (GMT)
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30. "RE: Other Natalia Petrovnas"
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   Sylvie doesn't like open rehearsals (understatement!) so you may not be seeing the first cast for Month. Inclined to agree with you about the sets, Sylvia - I often find Julia Trevelyan Oman's work over-fussy but this set I think is just perfect.


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Paul A

09-05-02, 04:24 PM (GMT)
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31. "RE: Other Natalia Petrovnas"
In response to message #29
 
  
I actually think the beauty of
>the set could mirror the
>lacquered superficial lives the family
>leads and the contrast when
>everything falls apart exposes the
>rawness of their emotions far
>more. Besides, it's such a
>beautiful and detailed set, it's
>most definitely my favourite!

Interesting point - hadn't thought of it like that, thanks. Don't agree, likewise with Oman's Nutcracker is gloomy and too detailed to read. For Month would love to see Tobias Hoheisel (sp?)redo this - he did the wonderful designs for the Janacek operas at Glyndebourne, great slabs of primary colours.

I was wondering given the odd design decisions Dowell made over the years - ie an unnecessary redesign of Rhapsody (the columns in the original actually echo the patterns of the corps, the new "sheep-pen" now chokes it), questionable reinstatement of the original Ballet Imperial designs (surely it's possibly to do something with more Imperial slendour), Swan Lake and Beauty (overly upholstered). Conversely Illuminations would convince more with new designs - Vivienne Westwood? Ondine would look less cobwebby with a fresh look.

But cannot imagine Fille looking any different.


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James Huw Jeffries

14-05-02, 04:16 PM (GMT)
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32. "RE: Other Natalia Petrovnas"
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   LAST EDITED ON 14-05-02 AT 04:22 PM (GMT)

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LAST EDITED ON 14-05-02 AT 04:17 PM (GMT)

Well, it's probably nostalgia but I loved Sibley in this role with Baryshnikov. I thought that she caught the capriciousness and emotional fragility of Natalia and will never forget how she swooned into Beliaev's arms as the Pas de Deux began. I did actually see Rosato's debut (I believe she was the last dancer personally chosen by Ashton to take this role) and her qualities of personal beauty, strong acting skills and beautiful epaulement were very moving although I always found her actual dancing rather disappointing below the waist for Ashton. Tough to cast now - Seymour was small but passionate and well emulated by lovely Sandra Conley with the unforgotten David Wall. Tracy Brown was an unlikely, but I gather successful, exponent, Marguerite Porter was extraordinarily beautiful to behold but her feet were terrible and Dame Merle Park was I think probably too old and stiff by the time I saw her - the wig and make-up made her look extraordinarily ghoulish and she never seemed to be a great one for melting lyrically into the movement (except once in my experience as Giselle, again with Wall, which just goes to show you can never generalise). Would be interested to see Muriel Valtat as people speak highly of her although her work has never greatly appealed to me. Could never forgive her for taking over from Deborah Bull as Aurora at Hammermsmith on my birthday treat (not her fault but I was so sorry not to see La Bull). Gillian Revie was wonderful as Mary Vetsera, Manon and Anastasia (will she be allowed to read the first two of these next season?) and I would be interested to know if ayone else feels her particular qualities would suit Natalia.


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Michael LL

15-05-02, 02:08 AM (GMT)
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33. "RE: Other Natalia Petrovnas"
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   Revie is for me a natural Macmillan dancer, and whilst I would say she doesn't have quite the right body for a Natalia Petrovna, I would think she has the temperament. I agree totally about Sibley,and maybe Park was a little mature and grand in the part, but I found her also very moving, with Page a good if rough-edged Belaiev. It would be interesting to see who Seymour would now choose.


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MAB

15-05-02, 11:20 AM (GMT)
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34. "RE: Other Natalia Petrovnas"
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   No one has mentioned Michael Coleman in the role of Beliaev. I always found his interpretation of the role very interesting as it reflected very accurately the character of the tutor in the play where Beliaev is more a catalyst than a big love interest. He always gave the appearance of being a servant in the house; Ashley Page also appeared to take this approach to the role.

I would love to see a Russian company dance this ballet, perhaps Ananiashvili and Filin at the Bolshoi or Zhanna Ayupova and Igor Kolb at the Kirov. My dream team for this ballet would have been Ludmila Semenyaka and Gediminas Taranda - they would have been superb.


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Jane S

15-05-02, 11:36 AM (GMT)
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35. "RE: Other Natalia Petrovnas"
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   The person I'd most like to see as Natalia is Isabelle Guerin.


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AnnWilliams

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36. "RE: Other Natalia Petrovnas"
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   Agreed, Jane - she would be ideal..and what about Elisabeth Platel as Natalia?

Mention of Guerin and Platel - who have both been forced to 'retire' at 40 because of the POB's ageist rules - makes me wonder if either of these two incomparable dancers are performing elsewhere. Does anyone - Estelle perhaps - know? I for one would not complain at all if Stretton invited them to guest with the Royal at some point. Dream on, I suppose..


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Paul A

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39. "RE: Other Natalia Petrovnas"
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   >No one has mentioned Michael Coleman in the role of Beliaev.
>I always found his interpretation of the role very
>interesting as it reflected very accurately the character of the tutor in the play where Beliaev is more a catalyst
>than a big love interest. He always gave the
>appearance of being a servant in the house;

Interesting memory jogger - quite true. This is why I don't like the designs, they don't make Beliaev rough hewn enough. But by the time Coleman was doing this (and Page) they couldn't really cope with the balances and turns in the choreography - they looked clumsy rather than gawky. For me it's taken Cope to show the elegance of the choreography that Dowell so beautifully portrayed. But as you suggest this is not really a quality that Turgenev's character. Don't really think Ashton understood this was a comedy - what he shows us is a rather sentimental melodrama (exquisitely distilled as it is).


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James Huw Jeffries

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37. "RE: Other Natalia Petrovnas"
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   Of course, Seymour herself might also have been seen as a more natural MacMillan than Ashton dancer...


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James Huw Jeffries

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38. "RE: Other Natalia Petrovnas"
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   Of course, Seymour herself might also have been seen as a more natural MacMillan than Ashton dancer...


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Paul A

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40. "RE: Other Natalia Petrovnas"
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   On another thread I see Zoltan Solymosi did Beliaev - is this right? Any impressions?


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alison

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41. "RE: Other Natalia Petrovnas"
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   Yes. Assuming that it's a thread that I contributed to, you'll have noticed that I wasn't an admirer of Zoltan's , but I actually thought he was quite effective in the part. After all, with those dashing looks you could quite understand why all the women would fall for him. It was a pretty long time ago, though, and I didn't have much experience of the ballet (or Ashton at all at the time, come to think of it), so I wouldn't like to comment on the quality of his dancing.


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