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trogadmin

13-04-02, 07:34 PM (GMT)
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"Fitness... (picking up on a link in todays links)"
 
   Fitness...
Ballet good idea?
Ballet is poised to sweep Britain as the latest in video fitness entertainment, but is it really a wise choice for the inexperienced... "How do you make a new fitness video sell?

I have both the DVD and the book of the NYCB Ballet Workout. If you are deciding to buy the video, I would recommend that you save money and buy the book. Not only is it cheaper, the video merely shows you the dancers performing the exercises. The book has words which explain HOW to do the exercises. Sadly neither explain what NOT to do. Also there is absolutely nothing about the nutrition/excercise balance. This must be a fundamental part of any excercise program.

If you want an excercise program written by a ballet dancer, you could do worse that buy the much cheaper "Vitality Plan" by Deborah Bull.

The excerises in the NYCB book and DVD have no alternative excercies, for people (like me) who are very inflexible. I can harp on about flexibility at length, but I won't. Seek out Brad Appleton's "STRETCHING AND FLEXIBILITY: Everything you never wanted to know" at http://www.enteract.com/~bradapp/docs/rec/stretching/ it covers this very important area of fitness.



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  RE: Fitness... (picking up on a link in todays links) Flight 14-04-02 1
     RE: Fitness... (picking up on a link in todays links) Flight 14-04-02 2
         RE: Fitness... (picking up on a link in todays links) Tomoko.A 14-04-02 3
             RE: Fitness... (picking up on a link in todays links) Flight 14-04-02 4
                 RE: Fitness... (picking up on a link in todays links) Tomoko.A 14-04-02 5
                     RE: Fitness... (picking up on a link in todays links) Flight 14-04-02 6
                         RE: Fitness... (picking up on a link in todays links) Flight 14-04-02 7
                             RE: Fitness... (picking up on a link in todays links) AEHandley 14-04-02 8
         RE: Fitness... (picking up on a link in todays links) trogadmin 15-04-02 9
             RE: Fitness... (picking up on a link in todays links) Flight 15-04-02 10
                 RE: Fitness... (picking up on a link in todays links) Flight 15-04-02 11
                     RE: Fitness... (picking up on a link in todays links) trogadmin 15-04-02 12
                         RE: Fitness... (picking up on a link in todays links) Flight 15-04-02 13
                         RE: Fitness... (picking up on a link in todays links) emma 15-04-02 14
                             RE: Fitness... (picking up on a link in todays links) Flight 15-04-02 15
                             RE: Fitness... (picking up on a link in todays links) Jim 15-04-02 16
                             RE: Fitness... (picking up on a link in todays links) Flight 16-04-02 17
                             RE: Fitness... (picking up on a link in todays links) Flight 16-04-02 18
                             RE: Fitness... (picking up on a link in todays links) Flight 16-04-02 19

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Flight

14-04-02, 08:13 AM (GMT)
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1. "RE: Fitness... (picking up on a link in todays links)"
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   My mother bought the NYCB video against my recommendation, She at first insisted that I do it with her, but has since abandoned it. She often found it impossible to copy the dancers, as this is very difficult when one is lying on the floor on one's stomach. Therefore I do not think it is suitable for non-dancers. However, I also don't think it was a particularly taxing video for dancers, and certainly didn't work up a sweat.


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Flight

14-04-02, 11:18 AM (GMT)
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2. "RE: Fitness... (picking up on a link in todays links)"
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   That article annoyed me, actually. For a start, they spelt 'tendu'wrong. I'm sure I often make mistakes with spelling, but I'm not a journalist, I don't have an editor, and it's pretty simple French.

Furthermore, I should hope that most five-year-olds do not wear tutus for class. I should hope that five-year olds are not even doing 'proper' ballet. The RAD does not introduce turnout until Grade One, whereas a child of that age should be doing pre-primary or primary.

'Does the workout mean you will end up looking like a stick, or worse with a serious injury?'

In answer to the latter, quite possibly. The workout for the most part does not include different levels. This also means that as a person progresses the workout just gets easier. There is, I think, a risk of straining one's neck to look at the TV! However I sincerely doubt that one will turn into a 'stick' by merely doung a forty-minute (???) workout of, to me, gentle excercises.

Ballet doesn't 'work magic' without a lot of very hard work over a long period of time.

'Attempting professional ballet'? I am left wondering what is meant by that. Ballet is ballet. The writer may mean 'advanced ballet', but as it happens the exercises on the video are neither ballet (for the most part), nor advanced.

'Those in the know have their reservations'. Than why not get someone 'in the know' to write the damned article?

'The idea of David Ginola in a tutu is amusing'. Seeing as men don't wear tutus, the thought of any man, ballet dancer or otherwise, is fairly amusing.

'For those doubting their ability to waft effortlessly round the living room...'. When ballet dancers 'waft', they do not do it effortlessly. It has taken them years of training.

As I have mentioned before, I do not like Peter Martins, and I actually found the video quite patroising. I am still unsure at who it is aimed at.


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Tomoko.A

14-04-02, 02:35 PM (GMT)
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3. "RE: Fitness... (picking up on a link in todays links)"
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   I've been following the NYCB's Work Out book combining with ballet classes by a proper teacher. I found the book useful for the simple daily exercise in the living room and it's really easy to follow. I've also got the video, but I hardly use it. It features the NYCB's dancers' lives, which is the only reason why I only occasionally watch this video.


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Flight

14-04-02, 02:44 PM (GMT)
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4. "RE: Fitness... (picking up on a link in todays links)"
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   LAST EDITED ON 14-04-02 AT 02:55 PM (GMT)

IMO, if you want a step-by-step ballet book, buy one aimed at children, such as A Thomas's 'Ballet'.

'Sadly neither explain what NOT to do'. The video is odd in that it skips over the basics like standing, breathing and walking. We don't learn these basics merely to look good on stage, but to prevent injury or even, according to Beryl Grey, anaemia and heart strain.

'Forward rolling of the instep must be guarded against ...there is a severe tendency to turn out only from beneath the knee...*it is therefore of utmost importance that a child be taught ballet from an intelligent teacher from the very beginning*...all this can be acheived only over a long period...dancing badly taught is a grave danger to mental and physical health...irreparable harm may be done'.

The above was all quoted from 'The making of a Dancer' by Beryl Grey, an article in The Girls' Book of Ballet, edited by A.H Franks, 1953.


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Tomoko.A

14-04-02, 07:48 PM (GMT)
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5. "RE: Fitness... (picking up on a link in todays links)"
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   My teacher is a properly RAD trained teacher and teaches from children to adults. I think following the NYCB video without her might be dangerous for me.
BTW, ballet seems to be everywhere at the moment. In a fashion page of today's Sunday Telegraph magazine,the NYCB class is mentioned. " Take your tutu and the little girl within you to a New York City Ballet class, originally devised for resting dancers at the NYCB and adapted by Homes Place for its members. Basic techniques such as plie, developpe and battement build up strength, balance and fitness. Recently launched in Nottingham and Manchester and already in London, the class is high on fun, low on pomp- more Billy Elliot than the Bolshoi Ballet (call 0800 106050 for yournearest club)."
The magazine also features some RBS students modelling ballet fashion. We can't escape from ballet this spring !


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Flight

14-04-02, 08:59 PM (GMT)
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6. "RE: Fitness... (picking up on a link in todays links)"
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   >My teacher is a properly RAD
>trained teacher and teaches from
>children to adults. I think
>following the NYCB video without
>her might be dangerous for
>me.

Exactly. I have been studing RAD ballet since I was nine (I am 15 now) so it has taken a long time for the basics - standing, breathing, walking, running - to become second nature. And they need to be drummed into one! One needs a teacher constantly there to say 'Stomach in! Bottom in! Don't 'roll'! Don't sickle! Don't arch your back! Don't over-turn! Don't hunch your shoulders! Knee on the top! Point your foot! Heels DOWN when you land! Don't go too far! Don't go too fast! Don't go too high! Breath!' and probably a million other things. Only when you can rmember all of that can you go on too safely practice at home, by yourself.

>we can't escape from ballet this
>spring !

I'd rather not, as it happens!



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Flight

14-04-02, 08:59 PM (GMT)
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7. "RE: Fitness... (picking up on a link in todays links)"
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   LAST EDITED ON 14-04-02 AT 09:05 PM (GMT)

And I don't like the comment about 'the little girl within you'. We need to shed this image!

Another thing a particularly brutal teacher is fond of saying is 'What *ARE* you doing, Rebecca? Can you hear the music? Can you see what everyone else in the room is doing? Well *do* it then!'


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14-04-02, 10:15 PM (GMT)
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8. "RE: Fitness... (picking up on a link in todays links)"
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   OOOOH you took me back then. I was totally unable to watch masterclasses with Madam on TV because it reminded me too much of my own teacher. "What are they supposed to be doing? Is this a circle? Is it a square? It won't do, it won't do. THAT GIRL! WHat are you doing?" oh dear oh dear...

"Head up shoulders down tummy in tail under"

BTW anyone who tries to turn out below the knee will hear some pretty nasty noises - you don't have to know MUCH about anatomy to know that!


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trogadmin

15-04-02, 09:19 AM (GMT)
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9. "RE: Fitness... (picking up on a link in todays links)"
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   >'The idea of David Ginola in a tutu is amusing'. Seeing
>as men don't wear tutus, the thought of any man,
>ballet dancer or otherwise, is fairly amusing.

The line in the original article that annoyed me the most was the one about David Ginola in a tutu. It is just so stereotypical. After all ballet is as tutus and tiaras; technique is irrelevant.

Some men (the Trocks especially) do wear tutus. These chaps are amusing and very talented dancers to boot (pointe shoe?). They certainly inspire me to try harder in class.

I concur with Flight; if the press must review the NYCB video, they should have gotten someone "in the know" to write the review. Any of the regular posters on this very site could have done a better job.


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Flight

15-04-02, 11:34 AM (GMT)
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10. "RE: Fitness... (picking up on a link in todays links)"
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   OK, so the Trocks wear tutus, but they are *meant* to be funny, they are *meant* to be parodying (is that a word???)classical ballet. It was mostly proffesional ballet dancers that came to see them when they were first set up.

I am not ranting at trog, I am just generally ranting.


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Flight

15-04-02, 12:32 PM (GMT)
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11. "RE: Fitness... (picking up on a link in todays links)"
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   And BTW, ballet is in. Oasis and Warehouse have all these posters up with models in point shoes with the ribbons tied incorrectly, or satin flats with the drawstring tied in a silly little bow that shows. If one did that in class one would probably get sent out, depending on the mood of the teacher. I find it very annoying because these models are paid to stand around being as thin as ballet dancers, but they can't turn out their legs, point their feet or go on point. All professional ballet dancerds are beautiful - why not get them to do it, and to show the general public what we are capable of - it is unbelievable how 'normal' people are impressed by a six o' clock extension.


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trogadmin

15-04-02, 12:43 PM (GMT)
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12. "RE: Fitness... (picking up on a link in todays links)"
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   > it is unbelievable how 'normal' people are impressed by a six o' clock extension.

I'd be happy if I could get 2:30!


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Flight

15-04-02, 01:43 PM (GMT)
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13. "RE: Fitness... (picking up on a link in todays links)"
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   Oh, you say that, but you'll be wanting an over-split soon. (Not recommended, obviously - highly dangerous and quite pointless)


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emma

15-04-02, 01:58 PM (GMT)
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14. "RE: Fitness... (picking up on a link in todays links)"
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   I like the NYCB dvd. I danced when I was younger so maybe not entirely clueless on how things should be done.
It makes a change and is nicely shot
I know a few ex-gymnasts/coaches who like it too as an at home workout.

A few years ago the sunday times had a feature on what affect adult ballet would have on the body(I'm pretty sure women only) and they came to the conclusion that you'd end up with bigger hips!


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Flight

15-04-02, 09:57 PM (GMT)
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15. "RE: Fitness... (picking up on a link in todays links)"
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   Regarding alternative books, I'd go for Thalia Mara's series. Line drawings rather than photos, but cheap, longstanding and informative.


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Jim

15-04-02, 10:16 PM (GMT)
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16. "RE: Fitness... (picking up on a link in todays links)"
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   About he six-o'clock thing: I know that Katherine Kanter talks about "slapping an ear with the foot" (or something like that) but that doesn't actually happen, but I accept the metaphor. Actually, I think a well-executed extension is really rather exciting to see, but I think it can look ugly if not done well. With Sylvie it looks all so natural and effortless and beautiful in context.


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Flight

16-04-02, 08:36 AM (GMT)
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17. "RE: Fitness... (picking up on a link in todays links)"
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   You can slap an ear with a foot, but it involves sort of twisting your knee out to the side and picking up your ankle. I have just tried it! Actually it is more like rubbing. *Biffing*, maybe, for those of us who used to read the Beano.


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Flight

16-04-02, 08:37 AM (GMT)
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18. "RE: Fitness... (picking up on a link in todays links)"
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   Oh, and you have to sort of bend forward a bit, and to the side a bit. Or you could just not bother.


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Flight

16-04-02, 10:50 AM (GMT)
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19. "RE: Fitness... (picking up on a link in todays links)"
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   Sylvie is an exception, though. Her extensions just glide up and you don't realise quite how high her leg has gone until you stop just looking at the leg and look at the whole body.


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