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Bruceadmin

12-04-02, 10:35 AM (GMT)
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"RB Carmen Bill"
 
   Somebody must have seen this! How's it looking? I'm there tomorrow and looking forward to it....


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  Subject     Author     Message Date     ID  
  RE: RB Carmen Bill Robert 12-04-02 1
     RE: RB Carmen Bill Virginia 12-04-02 2
         RE: RB Carmen Bill alison 12-04-02 3
             RE: RB Carmen Bill Virginia 12-04-02 4
                 RE: RB Carmen Bill Paul A 12-04-02 6
             RE: RB Carmen Bill Lynette H 12-04-02 5
                 RE: RB Carmen Bill Tomoko.A 12-04-02 7
                     RE: RB Carmen Bill Pete 12-04-02 8
                         RE: RB Carmen Bill Tomoko.A 12-04-02 9
                             RE: RB Carmen Bill Viviane 14-04-02 10
                             RE: RB Carmen Bill Brendan McCarthymoderator 14-04-02 11
                             RE: RB Carmen Bill Viviane 14-04-02 12
                             RE: RB Carmen Bill Robert 15-04-02 13
                             RE: Video of Por Vos Muero rama 23-10-02 46
                             RE: Video of Por Vos Muero alison 23-10-02 47
                             RE: Video of Por Vos Muero Viviane 23-10-02 49
                             RE: Video of Por Vos Muero alison 23-10-02 48
  RE: RB Carmen Bill alinaromania 15-04-02 14
  RE: RB Carmen Bill Jane S 16-04-02 15
     RE: RB Carmen Bill Shirley 17-04-02 16
         RE: RB Carmen Bill Bruce Madmin 17-04-02 17
             RE: RB Carmen Bill AnnWilliams 17-04-02 18
         RE: RB Carmen Bill AnnaM 17-04-02 19
             RE: RB Carmen Bill Jim 17-04-02 20
                 RE: RB Carmen Bill AnnaM 17-04-02 21
                     RE: RB Carmen Bill Robert 17-04-02 22
                         RE: RB Carmen Bill Robert 17-04-02 23
                             RE: RB Carmen Bill Paul A 18-04-02 24
                             RE: RB Carmen Bill Robert 19-04-02 25
                             RE: RB Carmen Bill Paul A 19-04-02 26
                             RE: RB Carmen Bill sylvia 20-04-02 27
                             RE: RB Carmen Bill Cathryn 22-04-02 28
                             RE: RB Carmen Bill sylvia 22-04-02 29
                             RE: RB Carmen Bill alison 22-04-02 30
                             RE: RB Carmen Bill sylvia 24-04-02 31
                             RE: RB Carmen Bill sylvia 24-04-02 32
                             Tamara Rojo in Carmen Bruceadmin 25-04-02 33
                             RE: Tamara Rojo in Carmen Robert 25-04-02 34
                             RE: Tamara Rojo in Carmen Lily 25-04-02 35
                             RE: Tamara Rojo in Carmen alison 26-04-02 36
                             RE: Tamara Rojo in Carmen Brendan McCarthymoderator 26-04-02 39
                             RE: RB Carmen Bill alison 26-04-02 37
                             RE: RB Carmen Bill sylvia 26-04-02 38
                             Standbys alison 26-04-02 40
                             RE: Standbys Paul A 26-04-02 41
                             RE: Standbys sylvia 26-04-02 42
                             RE: Standbys alison 29-04-02 44
                             RE: Standbys David M 28-04-02 43
                             RE: Standbys vivian2 29-04-02 45
                             ****This thread not for discussion of Gong/Tryst/Carmen ****... Brendan McCarthymoderator 23-10-02 50

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Robert

12-04-02, 10:50 AM (GMT)
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1. "RE: RB Carmen Bill"
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   Not seen it yet but slightly annoyed that if I had not bothered to book up, in advance I could have used the cheap seat/glass of champagne offer that dropped into my email box twice yesterday!


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Virginia

12-04-02, 12:14 PM (GMT)
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2. "RE: RB Carmen Bill"
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   I went on Wednesday, but was feeling a bit shy of saying anything before the rest of you had a go! I enjoyed myself - I did book in advance but still got the free champagne & programme - and so did the friend I took, who is not particularly a ballet fan. I found In the Middle less exciting than when I saw it at the Enduring Images rehearsal, though Nunez was very good. Not sure whether this cast lacked energy, or whether it's just seeing this ballet several times. I did enjoy the final pas de deux very much, and I do love the way Forsyth makes such strong choreography - in his hands dancing on pointe isn't about delicacy and ethereality, it's about steel.

As for Por Vos Muero, I know it's been rejected by the critics, but I rather like it - it creates its Revenge Tragedy atmosphere very effectively, and after -In the Middle- it's fun to have something which suggests narrative. And I enjoy the music & the poetry which do generate lots of feeling. This time I had a programme, so could read the translations, but I think I'd got the gist the first time.

Carmen was much the best thing about the evening. Dramatic, funny, well-danced. Such wonderful music - and after 2 ballets to tapes, lovely to hear live musicians. I didn't understand the polka-dot sets, but they didn't seem to matter much. I thought Guillem was wonderful, sexy, powerful, fluid and spiky at the same time, Murru excellently sad, and Cope brilliant (and funny) as Escamillo, hugely enjoying himself. And Yanowsky as M had some wonderful flowing movement which she did beautifully. I don't know if it was meant to be funny, but there were funny bits, and I enjoyed the choreography on the whole, very different but interesting and expressive. Only there were times when it seemed the movement undercut rather than heightened the mood, so that the intensity of feeling which Guillem, Murru & Cope seemed to be building up so effectively in various scenes, was undermined rather than pushed to the limit.

What did other people think?

Virginia
Did anyone else think the Evening Standard review odd, saying
"The Opera House is buzzing: three "new", "advanced" ballets have arrived after what seems like months of dying maidens in tutus. By the end of the evening the audience was shell-shocked, but this is more a comment on their regular fare than what was actually on stage."
Since 2 of the 3 pieces had been playing in the previous bill, and Forsyth is hardly new to RB audiences anyway, I thought this comment bizarre! And (as part of the audience on Wednesday) I didn't come out shell-shocked, and didn't notice anyone else who fitted that description!


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alison

12-04-02, 01:40 PM (GMT)
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3. "RE: RB Carmen Bill"
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   >I enjoyed myself - I
>did book in advance but
>still got the free champagne
>& programme

Was that the one for which they attached vouchers at the bottom of the letter enclosing the period 4 booking form, or have I missed out on something?!

>Did anyone else think the Evening
>Standard review odd, saying
>"The Opera House is buzzing: three
>"new", "advanced" ballets have arrived
>after what seems like months
>of dying maidens in tutus.
>By the end of the
>evening the audience was shell-shocked,
>but this is more a
>comment on their regular fare
>than what was actually on
>stage."

I wasn't there, but did hear that a few people walked out ...

>Since 2 of the 3 pieces
>had been playing in the
>previous bill, and Forsyth is
>hardly new to RB audiences
>anyway, I thought this comment
>bizarre!

Weird, but that seems to be part of the new critic's "take" on the Royal Ballet.


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Virginia

12-04-02, 04:21 PM (GMT)
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4. "RE: RB Carmen Bill"
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   >Was that the one for which they attached vouchers at the
>bottom of the letter enclosing the period 4 booking form,
>or have I missed out on something?!

Yes I think so - I'd already got tickets via a friend when it arrived.

>>By the end of the evening the audience was shell-shocked,
>>but this is more a comment on their regular fare
>>than what was actually on stage."
>
>I wasn't there, but did hear that a few people walked out ...

Really?! I didn't see that! Do you know which ballet they walked out from?

Virginia


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Paul A

12-04-02, 04:29 PM (GMT)
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6. "RE: RB Carmen Bill"
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   Do you know which ballet they
>walked out from?
>
People certainly clanked out of "In the Middle.." when it was new here in 1992. But judging by the reviews it sounds now to have lost some of its crackle.

Expect a vicarious review next week - my wife will be there but I won't get to it myself.



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Lynette H

12-04-02, 04:26 PM (GMT)
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5. "RE: RB Carmen Bill"
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   I didn't see anyone walk out, but there seemed to be a number of people who decided to sit the Forsythe out - I don't think they were late, it seemed more of a deliberate choice.

In the Middle not as strongly danced as earlier this year (Yanowsky and Kobborg excepted). Thought Nunez slightly tentative - but then this is her first appearance after injury.

Por Vos was pleasant but unexciting and Christopher Bruce does this sort of thing rather better, with more human warmth and less portenousness.

I liked the Carmen more than I have other works by Mats Ek (liked his Giselle: didn't enjoy his Swan Lake at all). Guillem was very striking, and Ek's style sits well on her body. Not a particularly touching work though - I'm sure we are meant to sympathise more with Jose than we actually do. The cast worked their socks off but overall the evening isn't a successful mix.


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Tomoko.A

12-04-02, 06:23 PM (GMT)
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7. "RE: RB Carmen Bill"
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   Can anyone let me know the running time of this mixed programme ?
According to Sylvie in The Telegraph interview, Carmen lasts about 45 minutes ? I need to know in advance what time the whole bill finishes when it starts at 7:30 pm. Thanks.


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Pete

12-04-02, 07:26 PM (GMT)
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8. "RE: RB Carmen Bill"
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   According to the casting sheet, the bill finishes at around 10.05pm (plus 10% tip for curtain calls etc.), so around 10.10pm-10.15pm.


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Tomoko.A

12-04-02, 11:07 PM (GMT)
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9. "RE: RB Carmen Bill"
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   Thanks Pete ! I can catch a 10:35 train. That's a relief.


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Viviane

14-04-02, 08:34 PM (GMT)
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10. "RE: RB Carmen Bill"
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   Well, I suppose you're all speechless and recovering from the shock ???


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Brendan McCarthymoderator

14-04-02, 08:56 PM (GMT)
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11. "RE: RB Carmen Bill"
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   Clement Crisp was spot-on. I have to say I found Carmen one of the most unutterably tedious hours of theatre I have had to endure for a very long time. Whether I would have thought better of the work had it been designed by someone other than Ek's longtime collaborator Marie-Louise Ekman, I'm not sure. But once the curtain goes up and it's 'that look' again, my heart sinks.

But I'm more and more impressed by Por Vos Muero and hope to come back to this subject at the end of the month.....


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Viviane

14-04-02, 09:15 PM (GMT)
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12. "RE: RB Carmen Bill"
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   LAST EDITED ON 14-04-02 AT 09:17 PM (GMT)

Thanks Brendan,
I think I've made the right decision not to travel to UK to see
Guillem with a cigar...instead I went to see the future of ballet

I have 'Por Vos Muero' on video and it's one of the gems I cherish...hope to hear you at the end of the month !


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Robert

15-04-02, 03:55 PM (GMT)
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13. "RE: RB Carmen Bill"
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   I wish I had sat the Forsythe out, anything would have been better than listening to such an unpleasant racket broadcast over loudspeakers. The Duarte was quite nice in a Rambert sort of way. Rambert would I believe have provided live music, Mark Morris certainly would. Incidentally some of the original dances done to the music are more interesting than Duartes.
I enjoyed Carmen, and was pleased to hear good live music. It is original and interesting and very well danced. I was not sure of the set but we must be thankfull for small mercies. I thought I saw vague visions of the Ballet Joos perhaps someone who remembers them might correct me.


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rama

23-10-02, 12:38 PM (GMT)
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46. "RE: Video of Por Vos Muero"
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   >LAST EDITED ON 14-04-02
>AT 09:17 PM (GMT)

>
>Thanks Brendan,
>I think I've made the right
>decision not to travel to
>UK to see
>Guillem with a cigar...instead I went
>to see the future of
>ballet
>
>I have 'Por Vos Muero' on
>video and it's one of
>the gems I cherish...hope to
>hear you at the end
>of the month !

- re your video of 'Por Vos Muero' - can you let an Australian fan of the work know where he can buy a copy and have sent down under?

Thanks

Ian


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alison

23-10-02, 01:12 PM (GMT)
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47. "RE: Video of Por Vos Muero"
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   I saw it the other day - it's a "Three works by Duato"-type thing, and I think danced by his company. Can't offhand remember what the other two works were, but I seem to remember that Jardi Tancat wasn't among them. You could always ask Dance Books (URL in the Links section).


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Viviane

23-10-02, 01:17 PM (GMT)
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49. "RE: Video of Por Vos Muero"
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   Ian,
"Por Vos Muero", "Duende" and "Arenal" is available on DVD called "Three by Duato" through Amazon.com
Don't miss the great reviews on Amazon about it !


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alison

23-10-02, 01:12 PM (GMT)
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48. "RE: Video of Por Vos Muero"
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   I saw it the other day - it's a "Three works by Duato"-type thing, and I think danced by his company. Can't offhand remember what the other two works were, but I seem to remember that Jardi Tancat wasn't among them. You could always ask Dance Books (URL in the Links section).


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alinaromania

15-04-02, 06:23 PM (GMT)
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14. "RE: RB Carmen Bill"
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   Wait for Tamara.

CC's right except that ITM confirms
that the rest of Ross's EuroBabble
is there for a reason.

Darcey is still brilliant 10 years
on, and the rest of the troupe is
now up there with her.


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Jane S

16-04-02, 11:00 PM (GMT)
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15. "RE: RB Carmen Bill"
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   Well, this was something I haven't seen before: at the end of Carmen tonight Guillem was presented with a tree, several inches taller than her and with its roots wrapped up in black polythene, ready for planting. Fortunately she didn't have to hold it whilst taking her bows. (My husband says it was an orange tree.)


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Shirley

17-04-02, 06:45 AM (GMT)
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16. "RE: RB Carmen Bill"
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   It was actually a cherry tree ( I only know because it was at the stage door before the show).


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Bruce Madmin

17-04-02, 09:13 AM (GMT)
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17. "RE: RB Carmen Bill"
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   Flowers being so passe these days, I must look out that old Fordson tractor that Tamara and I have often talked of and I know she lusts after....


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