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Tomoko.A

29-03-02, 03:38 PM (GMT)
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"The Sleeping Beauty - DVD"
 
   I've finally decided to buy a DVD player. Now,I must get a DVD to try on my new machine. I don't want to buy somehing I've already got on a video. My first choice is The Sleeping Beauty by POB with Aurelie Dupont and Manuel Legris as it was filmed quite recently (1999) and Depont is my favourite POB dancer. Has anyone seen it ? Who are the other casts on this DVD ? It costs £24.99 from the Dance Books, rather expensive compared to other DVDs. But it costs £29.99 at the ROH shop ! Shocking !! I think I'll pick up one at the Tower Records at £25.99 as I don't have to pay the postage. It will be the cheapest way for me although £25.99 is still expensive for a DVD. Is it worth paying that amount for this one ? If someone can recommend a better first DVD for me, please post !


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  Subject     Author     Message Date     ID  
  RE: The Sleeping Beauty - DVD sylvia 29-03-02 1
     RE: The Sleeping Beauty - DVD eugdog 29-03-02 2
         RE: The Sleeping Beauty - DVD Bruceadmin 29-03-02 3
             RE: The Sleeping Beauty - DVD Tomoko.A 29-03-02 4
                 RE: The Sleeping Beauty - DVD eugdog 30-03-02 5
                     RE: The Sleeping Beauty - DVD Tomoko.A 31-03-02 6
                         RE: The Sleeping Beauty - DVD eugdog 31-03-02 7
                             RE: The Sleeping Beauty - DVD AnnWilliams 31-03-02 8
                             RE: The Sleeping Beauty - DVD PhilipBadmin 31-03-02 9
                             RE: The Sleeping Beauty - DVD AEHandley 31-03-02 10
                             RE: The Sleeping Beauty - DVD Viviane 31-03-02 11
                             RE: The Sleeping Beauty - DVD lara 06-04-02 22
                             RE: The Sleeping Beauty - DVD Viviane 31-03-02 12
                             RE: The Sleeping Beauty - DVD eugdog 01-04-02 13
                             RE: The Sleeping Beauty - DVD AEHandley 01-04-02 14
                             RE: The Sleeping Beauty - DVD Tomoko.A 01-04-02 15
                             RE: The Sleeping Beauty - DVD eugdog 01-04-02 16
                             RE: The Sleeping Beauty - DVD eugdog 01-04-02 17
                             RE: The Sleeping Beauty - DVD Robert 04-04-02 18
                             RE: The Sleeping Beauty - DVD Paul A 04-04-02 19
                             RE: The Sleeping Beauty - DVD AEHandley 08-04-02 25
         RE: The Sleeping Beauty - DVD alison 04-04-02 20
             RE: The Sleeping Beauty - DVD Robert 05-04-02 21
                 RE: The Sleeping Beauty - DVD James 08-04-02 23
                     RE: The Sleeping Beauty - DVD eugdog 08-04-02 24
                         RE: The Sleeping Beauty - DVD Tomoko.A 08-04-02 26
                             RE: The Sleeping Beauty - DVD alison 10-04-02 27
                             RE: The Sleeping Beauty - DVD Robert 11-04-02 28

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sylvia

29-03-02, 04:53 PM (GMT)
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1. "RE: The Sleeping Beauty - DVD"
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   LAST EDITED ON 29-03-02 AT 05:19 PM (GMT)

Tomoko you can borrow mine first to see if you like it. I bought this DVD online at http://www.dvdpopcorn.co.uk for 19.99 and postage was free. They have a very good selection of dvds between £16-20. They say they post it the day the order is received (before 2pm) and I think mine arrived very quickly, definitely within a couple days. And I don't remember who was cast but I'll go and check in a minute. I liked the production very much though some of the panned out shots I wasn't fond of as the dancers looked so small.

And in the future you can compare prices on the shopsmart.co.uk website here.

http://uk.shopsmart.com/DVD_and_Video/compare.nary?PR_ID=1&SCG_ID=34&catno=8573+85802+2&Title=Sleeping+Beauty+%28Wide+Screen%29+%28DVD%29&KEYWORD=8573858022&sscatid=11&productid=7000000063288&ts=1017420347


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eugdog

29-03-02, 05:17 PM (GMT)
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2. "RE: The Sleeping Beauty - DVD"
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   I did a review of it. It is fatally flawed by very poor direction. Also has fussy choreography by Nureyev. See my review of it. Go for the Durante RB version. It has a wonderful performance by Durante.

Read my review of it or go to www.amazon.com (search under DVD and Sleeping Beauty) - as well having it for sale the site invite people to review it.


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Bruceadmin

29-03-02, 07:54 PM (GMT)
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3. "RE: The Sleeping Beauty - DVD"
In response to message #2
 
   The video reviews page:
http://www.ballet.co.uk/links/videos.htm


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Tomoko.A

29-03-02, 09:20 PM (GMT)
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4. "RE: The Sleeping Beauty - DVD"
In response to message #3
 
   Thanks Sylvia for the useful info. I would be most grateful if I could borrow yours first. Eugene, I'm a little confused. You reviewed the RB's SB with Durante (This one is actually my favourite SB, but I've got a video.), but not the POB's. Maybe I was looking at a wrong place...


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eugdog

30-03-02, 09:58 PM (GMT)
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5. "RE: The Sleeping Beauty - DVD"
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   My review of Sleeping Beauty Paris Version is at


http://www.ballet.co.uk/magazines/yr_01/oct01/video_em_15.htm

In a nutshell - this SBeauty is about the impending doom of the French aristocracy. It has fantastic, if rather over top, sets and costumes inspired by the Versailles court of Louis 16. Nureyev choreography over embellishes the familliar Petipa steps. It is brilliantly danced esp by Dupont and Legris but the dancers do not have the stage presence and charisma of the RB dancers.

However the direction is very poor with far too may panned out shot. It is a great DVD for the projector but on TV it becomes a very uninvolving experience!


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Tomoko.A

31-03-02, 00:16 AM (GMT)
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6. "RE: The Sleeping Beauty - DVD"
In response to message #5
 
   Thanks Eugene ! I've got the DVD from Sylvia and look forward to watching it despite your negative comment. My husband was supposed to buy a machine today while I was at the ROH watching Giselle. But there were many options and he wasn't sure which one he should get. He saw one under £90 and attempted to buy it, but he thought it was too cheap to be good. I should check your comments on DVD players on another thread again. So, I'm afraid I have to wait a little longer to watch the SB.


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eugdog

31-03-02, 02:29 PM (GMT)
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7. "RE: The Sleeping Beauty - DVD"
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   I have a cheap DVD player and an expensive one - the difference is very slight and not noticeable on TV. Go for the cheap one/

You will see a quantum leap in picture quality and you will love convieniance of instant access to each dance - no more rewind/fast forward ever again!!


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AnnWilliams

31-03-02, 02:50 PM (GMT)
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8. "RE: The Sleeping Beauty - DVD"
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   For a long time now, Eugene, you have been urging us all to buy DVD players (so much so that I've often wondered if you didn't have shares in a few DVD manufacturing companies....) and I must say that from time to time I have been tempted, particularly on the promise of considerably enhanced picture quality.

However, isn't it still the case that you cannot record on these DVD players? That being so, it would mean that you would have to retain your old machine to record things on and would be constantly plugging and unplugging the two machines unless you had two separate TVs, which is both expensive and space-wasting. Surely the answer is to wait until it is possible to record on these DVD machines - can't be too far away now, can it?


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PhilipBadmin

31-03-02, 03:44 PM (GMT)
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9. "RE: The Sleeping Beauty - DVD"
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   I'm no expert on these matters but I do have it all working, inc. a cable box for added complexity, so this is my setup:
No, you don't need two TVs and you don't need to unplug the VCR to use the DVD player. The DVD player should connect to your TV using the up-to-now-unused-by-you SCART socket on your TV. If you don't have one of those then I believe it will connect using the normal TV-VCR kind of cable but at a reduced quality and really you should have a TV with a SCART scoket. A SCART socket is about 1.5" wide and 0.5" tall with two rows of holes. Check your TV manual if you're not sure (it will be in the kitchen drawer under the bbq toasting fork you never use and the warranty for the kettle that broke 3 days after that warranty expired.)

Personally, I would recommend that people buy a multi-region DVD to enable you to play any DVD from anywhere in the world (e.g. those excellent ballet DVDs from www.kulturvideo.com). Just do a Google search to find plenty of retailers - even amazon.co.uk sell one for £130!

A FAQ on UK DVD is here:
http://www.dvd.reviewer.co.uk/umdvdfaq/

And yes, you can buy read-write DVD machines right now, although this is a new technology and costs a lot more than just players.


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AEHandley

31-03-02, 06:40 PM (GMT)
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10. "RE: The Sleeping Beauty - DVD"
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>And yes, you can buy read-write
>DVD machines right now, although
>this is a new technology
>and costs a lot more
>than just players.


For "a lot more" read "more than five times as much". The technology has only just reached the domestic, rather than professional, market. Eugene clearly thinks we all have money to burn (which goes along nicely with his impression that life has got so much better over the last 30 years...)


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Viviane

31-03-02, 11:02 PM (GMT)
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11. "RE: The Sleeping Beauty - DVD"
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   Eh...any suggestion how I handle 2 VCR's and a DVD...I hate unplugging !
...and how did you guess I'm keeping my TV-manual in the kitchen drawer ?!


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lara

06-04-02, 04:42 AM (GMT)
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22. "RE: The Sleeping Beauty - DVD"
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   >Eh...any suggestion how I handle 2
>VCR's and a DVD...I hate
>unplugging !

Viviane,

I have a nifty stereo receiver that everything plugs into and then only one lead into the tv. DVD, two VCR's (1 PAL, 1 NTSC) , sattelite box all plug into the one unit. Very handy for recording from dvd to tape or from tape to tape. Just a matter of pushing buttons.

Lara


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Viviane

31-03-02, 11:10 PM (GMT)
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12. "RE: The Sleeping Beauty - DVD"
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   LAST EDITED ON 31-03-02 AT 11:11 PM (GMT)

Ann, there has been a DVDplayer-talk (hiding in another thread) some time ago : http://www.danze.co.uk/dcforum/happening/2524.html
There is a lot of 'professional'talk in it...but some essential things are understandable to me


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eugdog

01-04-02, 11:54 AM (GMT)
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13. "RE: The Sleeping Beauty - DVD"
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   LAST EDITED ON 01-04-02 AT 12:26 PM (GMT)

LAST EDITED ON 01-04-02 AT 12:18 PM (GMT)

LAST EDITED ON 01-04-02 AT 12:07 PM (GMT)


It is no problem plugging an unlimited number of VCRs etc into a single TV

If you have no cable box but 3 or more DVD or VCR players then you will need a SCart adapter. This will allow 3 scarts devices into one TV input. You can get them at Currys or at www.keene.co.uk for about 30 pounds,

If you have a cable box or digibox then you can take advantage of the second "VCR" Scart in the back of the cable box. Plug one VCR into that. On playback the VCR bypasses the cable box and goes staight to the TV. Plug the second VCR in the TV. The cable box should also be plugged in the second TV Scart.

With DVD players costing 100 pounds or less I do not think I am acting as if people have money to burn!! DVD players are cheaper most TVs and VCRs. They have had the fastest growth of any media in history - including CDs!

Recordable DVD players are still expensive (about 700 pounds minimum) but if you are serious about top quality recordings and the preservation of your VCR collection then it is worth considering!


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AEHandley

01-04-02, 02:36 PM (GMT)
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14. "RE: The Sleeping Beauty - DVD"
In response to message #13
 
   >With DVD players costing 100 pounds
>or less I do not
>think I am acting as
>if people have money to
>burn!! DVD players are
>cheaper most TVs and VCRs.
> They have had the
>fastest growth of any media
>in history - including CDs!
>
>
>Recordable DVD players are still expensive
>(about 700 pounds minimum)
>but if you are serious
>about top quality recordings and
>the preservation of your VCR
>collection then it is worth
>considering!


I realised after I posted that I probably sounded more snide than humorous - sorry about that. But still, I am not going to junk my VHS collection - so I need to retain a VCR. Therefore I am not going to buy a DVD player - no point! I hate tape as a medium, but I do NOT have £700 hanging around to spare, neither can I afford £25 per disc to replace all my VHS tapes. And I don't think we're particularly hard up, either. I, the consumer, am being subjected to the same ripoff as I was with the birth of the CD (incidentally I put of purchasing a CD player until well into the 90s and had to spend quite a lot to get one that began to compare with my relatively inexpensive turntable or even my cassette deck, so I assume that the same will apply to DVD players as far as sound reproduction is concerned. In fact, DVD-A machines are quite rare and seem to cost at least £500 which implies that the sound quality from standard DVD players is at best suboptimal).

If someone drops £5k into my lap, then I will use it to refurbish the bedroom. If they drop £10k into my lap, well that means my husband can replace his car. £15k and I might consider a DVD player (particularly if my husband loses his temper with the VHS machine again...)

Anyway, my point is that £100 for a DVD player is all very well, but even £100 is a lot of money for a little box with nothing to watch on it...


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Tomoko.A

01-04-02, 05:01 PM (GMT)
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15. "RE: The Sleeping Beauty - DVD"
In response to message #14
 
   Like Anneliese, I'm not going to replace all my VHS collection. But the reason I've decided to get a DVD player is that many ballets are now available only on DVD like the POB's SB I mentioned. I don't think BBC will release VHS versions in the future. But what I can't understand is why DVDs are so expensive in this country. In Japan DVDs are now much cheaper than VHS. The UK and Japan have the same code. So I will be able to watch K-Ballet's Carmen with Durante and Kumakawa !
Question to Eugene, do we have to buy a quite expensive player in order to play a DVD ROM ? As our PC has no facilities to play a DVD, my husband wants to buy a DVD player so he can watch DVD roms too.


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eugdog

01-04-02, 06:17 PM (GMT)
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16. "RE: The Sleeping Beauty - DVD"
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   LAST EDITED ON 01-04-02 AT 06:24 PM (GMT)

Regarding DVD Rom - I do not think that most DVD players are DVD -Rom compatable. You can get DVD -Rom drives for your computer which will play DVDs as well but you will need a MPEG2 Card to get a high quality picture.


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eugdog

01-04-02, 06:24 PM (GMT)
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17. "RE: The Sleeping Beauty - DVD"
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   Regarding DVD Rom - I do not think that most DVD players are DVD -Rom compatable. You can get DVD -Rom drives for your computer which will play DVDs as well but you will need a MPEG2 Card to get a high quality picture.

You will also loose the convieniance of remote control!


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Robert

04-04-02, 10:54 AM (GMT)
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18. "RE: The Sleeping Beauty - DVD"
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   The POB Sleeping Beauty was broadcast on Artsworld last night and will be repeated this afternoon. I am recording it on to my VHS. What I saw of it last night it looked fabulous, wonderful costumes, sets and incredible dancing. I must admit I did not see it all, so Eugene may be right. Having bought a new telly and a subscription to Sky and Artsworld I cannot afford a DVD as well. Since subscribing to Artsworld I have recorded a lot of ballet including the Leslie Collier Fille which I was considering buying.


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Paul A

04-04-02, 11:40 AM (GMT)
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19. "RE: The Sleeping Beauty - DVD"
In response to message #14
 
   We've still got a wind-up 78 player, the video age having passed us by.

(You could probably guess that from my Luddite comments about RB repertory).

!!

But a question - how often do people play their videos? Are the statistics still that they are dust gatherers?


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AEHandley

08-04-02, 10:32 PM (GMT)
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25. "RE: The Sleeping Beauty - DVD"
In response to message #19
 
   >>But a question - how often
>do people play their videos?
>Are the statistics still that
>they are dust gatherers?

Beatrix Potter gets played in this house about 3 times a week
The others are saved for Wednesdays when I have the house to myself. Not dust gatherers at all - when I was on maternity leave I watched and rewatched loads. Since those carefree days I have to fight for the chance to watch what I want to watch but I certainly use them as comfort-watching.


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alison

04-04-02, 10:25 PM (GMT)
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20. "RE: The Sleeping Beauty - DVD"
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   Funny, I'd thought from things I'd read recently that the Nureyev Beauty was well thought-of, though I've never seen it myself. Haven't got time to quote John Percival on the subject at present.


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Robert

05-04-02, 01:00 PM (GMT)
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21. "RE: The Sleeping Beauty - DVD"
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   I have now looked at the POB sleaping beauty video and I cannot agree with Eugene, I think it is superb, wonderfully danced and the sets and costumes are beautiful. I was lisky enough to get it from Artsworld but I am sure the DVD would be a good buy, if you can afford it.


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James

08-04-02, 05:33 PM (GMT)
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23. "RE: The Sleeping Beauty - DVD"
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   >I
>am sure the DVD would
>be a good buy, if
>you can afford it.

The cost of the POB Sleeping Beauty from www.play.com is £17.99, postage free.

Posters may be interested to note that, according to the Play.com website, the following Royal Ballet productions are scheduled to be released on DVD on 22 April:-

The Nutcracker (1968 - Nureyev's production with himself and Merle Park)

Mayerling (1994)

Mayerling will be at a discounted price (£17.99), but Nutcracker will, I think, be £24.99.



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eugdog

08-04-02, 09:12 PM (GMT)
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24. "RE: The Sleeping Beauty - DVD"
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   That is a huge discount. I paid 29 GBP for S Beauty and Mayerling at the ROH shop. I suppose I can take comfort in the fact that I have made an additional contribution to the ROH by buying their DVDs at ludicrously inflated prices!!


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Tomoko.A

08-04-02, 11:05 PM (GMT)
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26. "RE: The Sleeping Beauty - DVD"
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   I'm 100% sure you pay much more for videos and DVDs at the ROH shop than anywhere else. I don't normally buy one there since I made a mistake to buy a Manon video there and noticed they are cheaper from the Dance Books.
Re. The Sleepig Beauty, it's worth having it in your DVD collection just for it's costumes and sets. They are absolutely beautiful and on top of that the standard of dancing is very high. Aurelie Dupont is a very charming Aurora although she doesn't match Durante's charisma in the Royal's video. Manuel Legris is the best Prince Desire I've ever seen. This Nureyev version is quite different from the Beauties I'm used to, but very enjoyable. There is a wonderful variation for the Prince to the same music used for Ashton's awakening pdd. I'd love to see it live one day.


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alison

10-04-02, 06:19 PM (GMT)
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27. "RE: The Sleeping Beauty - DVD"
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   >I'm 100% sure you pay much
>more for videos and DVDs
>at the ROH shop than
>anywhere else.

Oh, you do. I've seen certain ones up to £4 cheaper elsewhere.


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Robert

11-04-02, 04:57 PM (GMT)
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28. "RE: The Sleeping Beauty - DVD"
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   Tomoko
It is a lovely version of Sleeping Beauty, superb sets and lovely dancing.

Seeing the price of DVD's I am pleased I was able to record it on video from Artsworld, free. It is well worth viewing.


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