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Bruce Madmin

27-02-02, 08:04 PM (GMT)
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"Scoop - BBC4 and Dance"
 
  

You heard it here first department...

BRB's Triple Bill, unveiled at the Birmingham Hippodrome on the 13th March, is to be shown later on the new channel BBC4. The programme features Bintley's 'Tombeaux', Lila York's 'Sanctum' and Ashton's 'Facade'. A great mix of a night and great to see a touring company getting some exposure in this way

With even more pleasure, because it's very close to home, we can tell you about BBC4's New Dance from the Royal Opera House. That's going to feature new works by Cathy Marston (The Go-Between) and Tom Sapsford. Currently this work is scheduled to be performed in the Clore opening on the 13th May - its a tricky place to film though...

You can follow Cathy Marston's diary each month in our magazine of course.

Courtesy of Brendan McCarthy, we have more in a piece about BBC4 coming in the next magazine - it's a terrific read and out next Monday.


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  Subject     Author     Message Date     ID  
  RE: Scoop - BBC4 and Dance AEHandley 28-02-02 4
     RE: Scoop - BBC4 and Dance Brendan McCarthymoderator 28-02-02 5
         RE: Scoop - BBC4 and Dance eugdog 01-03-02 6
             RE: Scoop - BBC4 and Dance Viviane 03-03-02 7
                 RE: Scoop - BBC4 and Dance trogadmin 04-03-02 8
                     RE: Scoop - BBC4 and Dance Viviane 04-03-02 9
                         RE: Scoop - BBC4 and Dance Bruce Madmin 04-03-02 10
                             RE: Scoop - BBC4 and Dance Viviane 04-03-02 11
                             RE: Scoop - BBC4 and Dance ChrisM 04-03-02 13
                             RE: Scoop - BBC4 and Dance trogadmin 04-03-02 14
             RE: Scoop - BBC4 and Dance Anneliese 04-03-02 12
  RE: Scoop - BBC4 and Dance Jane S 04-03-02 15
     RE: Scoop - BBC4 and Dance alison 04-03-02 16
         RE: Scoop - BBC4 and Dance Robert 04-03-02 17
             RE: Scoop - BBC4 and Dance eugdog 05-03-02 18
                 RE: Scoop - BBC4 and Dance Brendan McCarthymoderator 05-03-02 19
                     RE: Scoop - BBC4 and Dance Caz 07-03-02 20
                         RE: Scoop - BBC4 and Dance Robert 08-03-02 21
                             RE: Scoop - BBC4 and Dance eugdog 08-03-02 22
                             RE: Scoop - BBC4 and Dance Carly Gillies 08-03-02 23
                             RE: Scoop - BBC4 and Dance Carly Gillies 08-03-02 24
                 RE: Scoop - BBC4 and Dance Bruceadmin 09-03-02 25
                     RE: Scoop - BBC4 and Dance AEHandley 10-03-02 26
                         RE: Scoop - BBC4 and Dance eugdog 10-03-02 27
                             RE: Scoop - BBC4 and Dance Bruceadmin 10-03-02 28
                             RE: Scoop - BBC4 and Dance Robert 11-03-02 29
                             RE: Scoop - BBC4 and Dance Bruceadmin 11-03-02 31
                             RE: Scoop - BBC4 and Dance trogadmin 11-03-02 30
                             RE: Scoop - BBC4 and Dance eugdog 11-03-02 32
                             RE: Scoop - BBC4 and Dance Caz 11-03-02 33
                             RE: Scoop - BBC4 and Dance Robert 11-03-02 34
                             RE: Scoop - BBC4 and Dance AEHandley 11-03-02 35
                             RE: Scoop - BBC4 and Dance eugdog 13-03-02 36
                             RE: Scoop - BBC4 and Dance Caz 13-03-02 37
                             RE: Scoop - BBC4 and Dance Viviane 13-03-02 38
                             RE: Scoop - BBC4 and Dance eugdog 13-03-02 39
                             RE: Scoop - BBC4 and Dance AEHandley 13-03-02 40

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AEHandley

28-02-02, 10:46 PM (GMT)
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4. "RE: Scoop - BBC4 and Dance"
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   Damn! Will I have to go and buy a digibox?


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Brendan McCarthymoderator

28-02-02, 10:48 PM (GMT)
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5. "RE: Scoop - BBC4 and Dance"
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   Afraid so Anneliese, unless you have a satellite dish or cable.


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eugdog

01-03-02, 01:55 PM (GMT)
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6. "RE: Scoop - BBC4 and Dance"
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   If BBC 4 are committed to just doing one new ballet a month then we can look forward to many new ballets.

OK you have to get a digibox or Sky- but you going to have to get one eventually as they are gonna switch off anologue (good riddance in my view). So why wait -

if fact you should encourage it as digital TV is ballet's best hope of more TV coverage. As I said earlier - the current BBC channels have insufficient time to broadcast ballet when there are so many other competing uses for precious TV air time. The increasing specialization of channels on cable/satelite has given rise to a new term - "narrow casting". Perhaps in 20 years time there will be "the Ballet Channel"!

I am increasingly becoming more impressed with Arstword/ They had some Nacho Duato and Mats Eks last week. They are going to do Cinderella with Gulliem later this month.

Although I have Cinderella on video I have to opportunity to record it at a much better picture quality on S-VHS (350 line resolution compared to 250 on std VHS) or on DVD recorder. This makes a huge difference if you have big TV or projector.

In fact I have got a subscription to Performance channel in a frantic attempt to re-record all my ballet videos in higher resolution. It has already paid off as I have recorded BRB Swan Lake and Nureyev and Fontain in Swan Lake. It would cost me £40 at least to buy them on DVD - one months subscription to Performance costs me about £14 (I need to have Cable and Sky to get both Performance and ArtsWorlds)


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Viviane

03-03-02, 06:13 PM (GMT)
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7. "RE: Scoop - BBC4 and Dance"
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   Eugene, are you familiar with DVD-recorders ?
Wonder if it's already interesting to buy one now ?


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trogadmin

04-03-02, 09:17 AM (GMT)
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8. "RE: Scoop - BBC4 and Dance"
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   Ah but do you buy one now or wait until next year when the blue laser ones are available? Current DVD's are based on red lasers, as are CD's. The shorter wavelength of the blue laser means more information can be stored per disk. This either means more recording time and/or more lines can be recorded per picture. Of course, they will be very expensive initially. However they will come down in price and when they are available, we should see a dramatic decrease in the price of that old technology, the red laser recorder.


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Viviane

04-03-02, 01:33 PM (GMT)
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9. "RE: Scoop - BBC4 and Dance"
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   Thanks Trog ! I didn't know about 'the blue laser ones' yet !
Only have DVD on one officecomputer and my laptop...not that comfortable to watch ballet !
As my DVD-collection is steady growing I absolutely need a proper DVD-player...and asked myself if it was worth considering a recorder.
Who said ? "electronics are like men...the longer you can wait the better you'll find"


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Bruce Madmin

04-03-02, 01:59 PM (GMT)
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10. "RE: Scoop - BBC4 and Dance"
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>Who said ? "electronics are like
>men...the longer you can wait
>the better you'll find"

I suspect that was not said by a younger man!

DVD players are now cheap - well £100 or so and thats multi-region as well. DVD recorders are still very expensive £700+ as a domestic appliance and £400 or so as a PC drive. However recording technology is not hamonised at the moment and there are two or 3 competing standards out there - most claiming to produce DVDs that will work in 'most' new players. Its like Sony Betamax was with video... but less mature. I think in a year to 18 months it will all be clear on technology and drive prices will be dropping significantly. Blowing DVDs will become as common as coppying a dearly loved Cassette was and CD's currently are. I'm not sure yet if the Blue lazer ones will come into this mainsteme market at first or in another wave. I think people will be happy with the ability to copy a DVD that they can give to their mate with full knowledge that it will work in mates DVD player. We are not really there yet.



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Viviane

04-03-02, 02:24 PM (GMT)
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11. "RE: Scoop - BBC4 and Dance"
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   >I suspect that was not said
>by a younger man!

I consider this as being rhetorical !

>DVD recorders are still very expensive
>£700+ as a domestic appliance
>and £400 or so as a PC drive.

It was the fact that they are on offer overhere for +/- 250£ that made me think about it...but it also sounds somehow a bit suspicious !?
I have the problem with not-compatible CD's at the moment
I can't make copies to use in my own car !


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ChrisM

04-03-02, 03:36 PM (GMT)
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13. "RE: Scoop - BBC4 and Dance"
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   >!?
>I have the problem with not-compatible
>CD's at the moment
>
>I can't make copies to use
>in my own car !
>
>
Try recording them at a lower speed.

My 24x CD-R machine copies don't work at 24x but
are fine at 8x

Chris


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trogadmin

04-03-02, 03:45 PM (GMT)
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14. "RE: Scoop - BBC4 and Dance"
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   >Its like Sony Betamax was
>with video... but less mature.

I hope not! Beta videos were technically better than VHS. The tape passed the head at a higher speed, giving a better quality picture than VHS. Unfortunately, the marketing guys at JVC (I think) had better spinning bow-ties that the ones at Sony, so VHS became the "standard". Thus the technically better system was consigned to the bin.


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Anneliese

04-03-02, 02:36 PM (GMT)
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12. "RE: Scoop - BBC4 and Dance"
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   >OK you have to get a
>digibox or Sky- but you
>going to have to get
>one eventually as they are
>gonna switch off anologue (good
>riddance in my view).
>So why wait -
>
Because I can't afford it!


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Jane S

04-03-02, 05:31 PM (GMT)
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15. "RE: Scoop - BBC4 and Dance"
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   Isn't it rather strange, though, that the booklet I've just had in the post telling me all the delights to be had on the new channel doesn't mention dance or ballet? Not once, not even in passing.


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alison

04-03-02, 05:39 PM (GMT)
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16. "RE: Scoop - BBC4 and Dance"
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   I noticed that as well - one of the things that really put me off.


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Robert

04-03-02, 08:49 PM (GMT)
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17. "RE: Scoop - BBC4 and Dance"
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   Living in a rural area with poor digital and analogue reception I have been forced to pay Rupert Murdoch so that I can see BBC 2 BBC4 and Artsworld. I have also with difficulty managed to have an unobtrusive dish installed.
I am very pleased to hear that BBC4 intends to show some ballet, the first programmes have not been promising at all. Artsworld is very interesting and appears to be well worth the investment. I have already seen some good ballet and a superb programme on Sylvie Guilleme. I look forward to “Fille” on Wednesday and a programme on Darcy Bussell. Opera is good too and the picture quality and sound is wonderful.
My only gripe is that there is no alternative to Murdoch and I still have to pay my TV license for a lot of rubbish I rarely watch!


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eugdog

05-03-02, 12:23 PM (GMT)
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18. "RE: Scoop - BBC4 and Dance"
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   The trouble with compatability of DVD recorders is slightly overstated. The Phillips DVD recorder uses DVD-RW. That will work on virually all other current DVD player.

The Panasonic DVD recorder uses both DVD-R and DVD-RAM. The inexpensive DVD-R is compatable with most DVD players but DVD-RAM is not. But DVD-R can only be used once whilst DVD-RAM and DVD-RW are rewritable discs.

Most of the second generation machines coming out about now play both DVD-RW and DVD-R

DVD-R discs cost between £4-6 whilst DVD-RW costs about £15. But it is expected that DVD-R and DVD-RW will fall to $5 and $8 respectively by the end of the year.

For those who find £750 for a recorder too much then they should go for S-VHS. This will give close to DVD quality. However you loose the convieniance of DVD disc (rewind, FF etc!!)Machines cost about £200 now (use to be extremely expensive once)


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Brendan McCarthymoderator

05-03-02, 12:50 PM (GMT)
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19. "RE: Scoop - BBC4 and Dance"
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   LAST EDITED ON 05-03-02 AT 02:16 PM (GMT)

BRB's double bill will be shown on March 17th. For more detail see this month's magazine

Today's Guardian also has a feature on the various options for receiving BBC4.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/consumer/story/0,3605,661981,00.html


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Caz

07-03-02, 10:30 AM (GMT)
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20. "RE: Scoop - BBC4 and Dance"
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   Adding to the messages above - don't buy a DVD recorder yet! At the moment they're not very impressive at all so it's worth waiting.

Don't Sky still do their £40 installation and free digibox and dish offer? Sky should be very much better for watching ballet due to better mpeg quality.

An aside - Eugene, what projector have you got and what is the fan noise like? I've been put off buying one so far 'coz I can't find anything that doesn't have a disracting cooling fan, even the ones that claim to be quiet. How would you rate projector -v- plasma screen other than price?


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Robert

08-03-02, 02:46 PM (GMT)
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21. "RE: Scoop - BBC4 and Dance"
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   Having been snowed under with publicity from the BBC about BBC4, none of it mentioning dance I am pleased to hear that they intend to transmit some. Up untill now all the programmes have been very very disappointing, I think they are trying to put people off the Arts. BBC Knowledge was much better and is missed, unfortunately BBC Choice a most dreadful load of old crap survives. If I could not get Artsworld satellite and digital television would be a waste of money.


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eugdog

08-03-02, 03:24 PM (GMT)
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22. "RE: Scoop - BBC4 and Dance"
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   LAST EDITED ON 08-03-02 AT 03:25 PM (GMT)

Re:projectors and fan noise - I never thought that fan noise is an issue. I play alot of opera and ballet music throught the projector and have never found fan noise a problem (although it does exist). As for plasma screens - firstly they give about 42-50 inches of screen - a projector gives a 100-150 inches secondly most plasma screens are 16: 9 format whilst all ballet is filmed in 4:3 -therefore a plasma screen cannot use its entire screen to show ballet. But only consider projectors with DLP technology (not LCD).

I cannot understand why projectors are not seen as the ideal home cinema solution - they are cheaper and better then anything else!


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Carly Gillies

08-03-02, 05:20 PM (GMT)
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23. "RE: Scoop - BBC4 and Dance"
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   >Up untill now all
>the programmes have been very
>very disappointing,

Well, their screening of Peter Brook's 'Hamlet' this week was the only chance most of us will get to see this acclaimed production at all. And the interview with Peter Brook afterwards was fascinating.
Next Wed the excellent "A Day in the Death of Joe Egg" is being shown. Nothing to do with dance I know, but far from a wholly disappointing start.


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Carly Gillies

08-03-02, 05:26 PM (GMT)
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24. "RE: Scoop - BBC4 and Dance"
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   >Nothing to do with dance
>I know

PS. Except for a fleeting appearance by Akram Khan as one of the players in Hamlet!



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Bruceadmin

09-03-02, 06:10 PM (GMT)
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25. "RE: Scoop - BBC4 and Dance"
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   LAST EDITED ON 09-03-02 AT 06:15 PM (GMT)

>The trouble with compatability of DVD
>recorders is slightly overstated.
>The Phillips DVD recorder uses
>DVD-RW. That will work
>on virually all other current
>DVD player.

I've not seen words like that in a review - but most of the reviews I read are in computer magazines (though a Which report echoed the computer view to). They all seem to say the same thing - compatibility of anything other then DVD-R is currently an issue and beware of jumping too soon. And not everybody who has DVD has a new one... so what of DVD-RW and the other complex formats then. This is all difficult early adopter stuff I think. But if your into buying any of this your going to be doing lots of research.

On the wider digital TV front I think it all rather a horrid mess and have just been through a steep learning curve. Well I continue to actually.

confessions of a Digital TV newbie...
Last weekend I got an ITV digital box in order to get BBC4 and the other free channels. Currently you can't seem to buy a box, which is rather daft, though they are promised real soon now. ANyway I thought I'd get cracking in the new world.

We have a new telly and video and setting them up was very easy because they talked to each other and were from the same manufacturer. Introduce digital box, hook up as they say and we can't video anymore. Worse there's no where for the DVD to plug in so that stands idle! It looks like I found a wiring diagram that might work allowing us to video providing I buy about 20 Scart leads (incidentally anybody with cash to spare should immediately invest in a company with significant exposure to the Scart lead market.... they are going to sell like hot cakes)

The best thing about digital is the quality - television has never looked so good. However once a night there is some serious glitch which really disturbs ones viewing as the screen tears up for a few seconds. You rarely see such total breakdown with analogue and its not good.

Software is embeded in all the systems and that struggles at times - so the auto switching between 4:3 and 16/9 formats doesn't work very effectively and the Video (Which recommended) handles pdc very poorly for consecutively recorded programmes. A couple of days have been spent trying various tests - crazy.

Recording from BBC4 looks like its a nightmare to set-up and control - have to programme both the video and the Digital box, not sure on PDC position on digital box so it might well be that the program is missed anyway. This is not slick stuff.

Its also annoying that you need both Cable/ITV digital and Satellite in order to get both the arts channels. I have no intention of getting a dish and Artsworld really do need a better strategy to get to people who like the idea of them but don't want the whole Sky pile of dooodoo

All those jokes about difficulties with recording something on a video pale into insignificance when confronted with juggling the plethora of intelligent boxes now required to more fully enjoy ones TV. Overall I'm not very impressed by what the industry has muddled and am certainly warry of buying any more boxes.


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AEHandley

10-03-02, 02:48 PM (GMT)
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26. "RE: Scoop - BBC4 and Dance"
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   Bruce, I'm very grateful for this insight (especially from one who is clearly not a luddite!). We've never wanted cable or satellite - never have time to watch what we want to on terrestrial so why waste the money - but with the BBC producing more and more unavailable channels (coupled with the demise of analogue broadcasting in 10 years' time) we will have to think about the next step over the next couple of years. Similarly, when we have 2 perfectly serviceable VCRs and far too many tapes, why splash out on a DVD which won't even record? I understand the disadvantages of tape as well as the next (wo)man and can discourse intelligently on deflutter buffers as well, but for domestic use it isn't a big issue (fingers crossed) and I'm not remotely interested in all the "director's cut"s and extras that DVDs seem obliged to include to justify the 50% higher price over video cassettes. So, in short, I welcome your encouragement to sit back and let the teething troubles sort themselves out! (but am prepared to provide hard cash for a video of Facade... any offers anyone?)

Having said all that, though, the other half came up with a good argument for digital broadcasting this week - he wanted to eliminate the Jamiroquai background music from Gary Rhodes' new cookery series. (He's 36 and has requested a drum 'n' bass album for his birthday, so it's hardly a "disgusted of Tunbridge Wells" scenario!).

I look forward to Eugene's response to Bruce's posting, anyway...


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eugdog

10-03-02, 05:04 PM (GMT)
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27. "RE: Scoop - BBC4 and Dance"
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   Regarding compatabililty of DVD-RW and older DVD machines. Point your browser at

http://dvdplusrw.org/resources/compatibilitylist_dvdvideo.html

This is a list of compatable DVD players with RW - It looks pretty impressive. My machine is on the list.

However and perhaps against my better judgement I opted for the Panasonic DVD recorder as it was 300pounds cheaper and can use cheaper DVD-R. It is incredilby easy to record and play using DVD-R and DVD-RAM. But its DVD-RAM re-writable disks are not compatable with anything. Nor am I finding the DVD-R compatable with my Samsung 709 (although it says it can play DVD-RWs).

Whatever its problems it certainly makes for a superb recording machines. One of the reason I bought one is to record classic old movies for my Dad and watch them on the projectors. (already this week I have recorded "Stalag 17" and the "Treasure of Sierra Madre") These films will never be on DVD and my DAD loves seeing them so much on the big screen (as they should be seen). The DVD gives instant access to any part of the film you want - with no rewind. My VCR machine is history!!

Regarding those who not bought a DVD - I would say do not knock it until you have tried it. For ballet I find it fantastic as you can quick access each dance number - And for a visual art like ballet the sharp picture quality gives it a huge lift. And now that they are just 100 pounds =- I say jump on the bandwagon!

I find that cabling problems to be irritating. What you need is a Scart box which allows mutiple Scart inputs but one output scart for your tv - www.keene.co.uk have lots of good ones including remote control ones so you do not have to leave the couch!


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Bruceadmin

10-03-02, 11:44 PM (GMT)
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28. "RE: Scoop - BBC4 and Dance"
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   >Regarding compatabililty of DVD-RW and older
>DVD machines. Point your browser
>at
>
>http://dvdplusrw.org/resources/compatibilitylist_dvdvideo.html
>
>This is a list of compatable
>DVD players with RW -
>It looks pretty impressive.
>My machine is on the
>list.

Well its an impressive list becasue the site is about that single format - other consortia preumably have other sites!!

Am mindful of the fact that DVD-R gave you problems too. I was very interested in DVD not just for video capability but also pc backup purposes and just concluded that spending £400-£500 is too risky at the moment.

>
>I find that cabling problems to
>be irritating. What you
>need is a Scart box
>which allows mutiple Scart inputs
>but one output scart for
>your tv - www.keene.co.uk have
>lots of good ones including
>remote control ones so you
>do not have to leave
>the couch!

Thanks Eugene - sounds just what I need and I'll go look. But another remote... to go with TV, Video, ITV Digital and DVD ones will be painful. Gone are the days when you picked up one remote to achive what you wanted, you now need to juggle at least two or three to make something happen!


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Robert

11-03-02, 00:56 AM (GMT)
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29. "RE: Scoop - BBC4 and Dance"
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   Like AEHandley I have not watched much TV and have been loath to install Digital. Having been loaned several Ballet and Opera videos from Artsworld, not being able to get much of a picture on BBC2 and being told that all the good BBC programmes were on Knowledge, I decided to take up Sky’s special offer. I also decided to renew my twenty-five year old telly. ITV Digital and or a digibox (when it arrives) were not an option as I live in a fringe area.
After some difficulty and a threat of cancellation I was able to have the dish cited in an unobtrusive place, and I am now watching really sharp high quality stereo television. I had the new television installed so I did not have the problems Bruce has had with scart leads to my video etc. (the expert did it) and as I pay the minimum to Sky (£10per month) I am fortunately unable to watch most of their programmes. I pay an extra £6 to watch Artsworld and it is super. Quite a lot of ballet (the instillation man was shocked by Nacho Duarte!) and opera, well worth the money. I also now get really clear BBC and BBC4. I mentioned before that I find BBC4 disappointing, no ballet yet and some seriously stupid arts programmes. Perhaps being a brush and paint artist puts me off what BBC four seems to promote. I was unable to watch Hamlet as I was working but I really prefer plays in the theatre rather than on telly, although I intend to video Façade just in case I cannot get to Birmingham to see it. Having spent the money I do not intend to try DVD for some time, it will never replace the real thing.
Incidentally why cannot the RB liven up its dreary triple bills with Façade or some of Ninette de Valios old ballets?


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Bruceadmin

11-03-02, 10:09 AM (GMT)
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31. "RE: Scoop - BBC4 and Dance"
In response to message #29
 
   >I also
>now get really clear BBC
>and BBC4.

Pleased to hear this and that was teh suprise to me also - the quality accross the board. But with Sky do you get the odd glitch on an evening and the screen looes it for a second or two? Come to that do others who use ITV Digital boxes see anything like this?


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trogadmin

11-03-02, 09:26 AM (GMT)
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30. "RE: Scoop - BBC4 and Dance"
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   >I have recorded "Stalag 17"
>and the "Treasure of Sierra
>Madre") These films will
>never be on DVD

Both of these films are on DVD (well Sierra Madre hasn't been released yet but will be very soon). I would suggest that unless you want something really obscure like Kolberg, then you should be able to source it on DVD.


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eugdog

11-03-02, 02:06 PM (GMT)
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32. "RE: Scoop - BBC4 and Dance"
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   RE: Stalag 17, Treasure of Sierra Madre - perhaps I exagerate when I say they will never be on DVD. But I am surprised at the dearth of classic films on DVD - "dial M for Murder" "Sunset Boulevard" and many others are not on DVD because priortiy is given to first run movies and recent blockbusters. Perhaps this will change in a few years time but I do not want to wait!!

For the person who just got a Sky digi-box - it is worth subscribing to the Discovery Channel (5 channels of it) - it is the best documentary channel around. Its documentary are far more detailed and thorough then BBC ones. And they are more balance with less sensationalist then what the BBC do!


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Caz

11-03-02, 05:08 PM (GMT)
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33. "RE: Scoop - BBC4 and Dance"
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   Bruce - can't speak for anyone else, but I never get glitches on Sky. My grandparents have OnDigital (or whatever it's called now) 'coz they didn't want a dish and they've had terrible trouble with setting it up, getting it connected to the video and picture break-up. Not quite sure how the huge black terrestrial aerial sticking up twice the height of the chimney is better than a small mesh dish, but there you go...
After my grandad threw away most of the cables the engineer had attached to the digibox, TV and videos and got it down to about 3 leads things improved a lot...

The only problem we ever have is an owl that occasionally likes to perch on the Sky dish transmitter late at night and blocks the signal! Cabling up the digibox, 2 VCRs, DVD player, audio system and monitor (we don't have a TV) was dead easy and all works fine.


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Robert

11-03-02, 05:50 PM (GMT)
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34. "RE: Scoop - BBC4 and Dance"
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   Bruce
I have not had any glitches on my Sky yet. I await the owl! I would not be able to get Artsworld on ITV digital if I could get it,so I am happy with Sky.
I am fascinated by Eudog and his dad. Providing a tv projector screen so that his dad can watch old movies (not ballet) is interesting. My son gave me a bread making machine.


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AEHandley

11-03-02, 10:19 PM (GMT)
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35. "RE: Scoop - BBC4 and Dance"
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>Regarding those who not bought a
>DVD - I would say
>do not knock it until
>you have tried it.
>For ballet I find it
>fantastic as you can quick
>access each dance number -
>And for a visual art
>like ballet the sharp picture
>quality gives it a huge
>lift. And now that they
>are just 100 pounds =-
>I say jump on the
>bandwagon!
>
But I don't WANT to have quick access to each number - I want to watch the ballet! Picture quality is one reason to go down that path but given that so far only a couple of things will have been digitally recorded it's not going to be a big deal just yet, is it? And does £100 buy you a DECENT machine? (not that it's relevant - £100 would buy me a USELESS machine with nothing to watch on it! I'd rather put the money towards a couple of tickets!)

Not a total luddite but just can't see the point of having another box...


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13-03-02, 12:49 PM (GMT)
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36. "RE: Scoop - BBC4 and Dance"
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   Robert - Thanks for your interest in my Dad etc. He looks after my dog which I can only see on the weekend - so the least I can do is show his favorite classic films in the way they should be seen.

I have been showing him bit a of ballet (RBs Don Q) - he is very impressed by the energy levels which he felt was lacking in ballet when he last saw it in the 50s! He also thinks that dancers are a lot lot thinner nowadays!


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Caz

13-03-02, 05:18 PM (GMT)
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37. "RE: Scoop - BBC4 and Dance"
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   Anneliese - My DVD player came from Amazon, very good value at the time for a very nice player @£135


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Viviane

13-03-02, 05:48 PM (GMT)
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38. "RE: Scoop - BBC4 and Dance"
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   Thank you all for the valuable advise !
So, I'll go for a basic-DVD player and wait for better to come.

Anneliese, a player is a good workingtool if you have a daughter who is constant winding/rewinding video's to re-view some variations and dance-video's are getting totally replaced by DVD's overhere !

Chris, it DOES work now, you know ! thanks !


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eugdog

13-03-02, 06:24 PM (GMT)
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39. "RE: Scoop - BBC4 and Dance"
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   LAST EDITED ON 13-03-02 AT 06:29 PM (GMT)

I find very little difference between the expensive DVD players and cheaper ones on the market . Argos sell a nice one at £100 made by Alba with excellent picture quality and multi-regional format. The Denon 2800 at £800 has only marginally better picture quality (but with considerably better sound).

I think you will great enjoy watching ballet on DVD.

For anyone considering puting there VCR collection on DVD via a specialist company - you need to be aware that most companies will not handle copyrighted material (ie pre-recorded tapes)

BTW I said earlier that I could not play my recorded DVD-Rs on my cheap Alba machine. After a proper read on the instruction manual (I am a man so I do not normally read manuals or maps!) I was able to "finalize" the DVD-R. Now they can be played on my cheap Alba machine without a hitch!


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AEHandley

13-03-02, 11:11 PM (GMT)
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40. "RE: Scoop - BBC4 and Dance"
In response to message #38
 
  
>
>Anneliese, a player is a good
>workingtool if you have a
>daughter who is constant winding/rewinding
>video's to re-view some variations
>and dance-video's are getting totally
>replaced by DVD's overhere !
>
Well, I nearly ate my words this afternoon when the tape of "Beatrix Potter" jammed in the middle of Jeremy Fisher's variation... Toddler Tim has watched that ballet THREE TIMES today and I am now heartily sick of the music but am becoming a real Brenda Last fan. But it really isn't worth me making the change until I can find at least 6 things that are only available on DVD that I can't live without!


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