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Brendan McCarthymoderator

11-02-02, 09:26 AM (GMT)
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"Dance videos"
 
   With Bruce's permission I'd like to ask your help with a piece of 'quick and dirty' research about dance videos.

My questions are: How many videos you buy? Record off television? How frequently do you swap them around?

I recently interviewed an artistic director about his company's relationship with television. He told me that the swapping of videos was crucial to the way his company and its work has become known. He said that one year on from a television performance, there was still a ripple effect; and that people, often quite new to dance, would come and see a work because of the fact that they had seen it, not on the original transmission, but on a video.

On an associated point, there is a really good piece by Lewis Segal in yesterday's LA Times on the pirating of dance videos. Here is the link. This quote gives the flavour.

"Why can't people get copies of old dance tapes the way they can get reproductions of old dance books? The answer, of course, is that they can, but only illegally. And that won't change until some fair policy exists for publication rights to taped performances not commercially available. No, I don't exactly relish the prospect of a SWAT team crashing through my front door to seize my Bournonville contraband. But nobody reading this piece will live long enough to wait for copyright expiration dates on fabulous performances that ought to be in every university library and specialist video catalog right now".


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  Subject     Author     Message Date     ID  
  RE: Dance videos Anneliese 11-02-02 1
     RE: Dance videos Ann Welsh 11-02-02 2
  RE: Dance videos alison 11-02-02 3
     RE: Dance videos trogadmin 11-02-02 4
         RE: Dance videos Mike 11-02-02 5
         RE: Dance videos Viviane 11-02-02 6
     RE: Dance videos lara 12-02-02 7
         RE: Dance videos alison 12-02-02 9
             RE: Dance videos lara 12-02-02 11
  RE: Dance videos Bruce Madmin 12-02-02 8
     RE: Dance videos eugdog 12-02-02 10
         RE: Dance videos sylvia 12-02-02 12
             RE: Dance videos lara 12-02-02 13
                 RE: Dance videos eugdog 13-02-02 14
                     RE: Dance videos Brendan McCarthymoderator 13-02-02 15
                     RE: Dance videos Mike 13-02-02 16

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Anneliese

11-02-02, 12:17 PM (GMT)
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1. "RE: Dance videos"
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   I have had bought for me about 6 dance videos, and have probably another 8 recorded off the TV. I am about to lend a couple of them to a friend. The only one I've recorded over is Corsaire - even for Angel Corella I couldn't sit through that again! Oh, no, not quite true - I stupidly recorded over the ROH closing gala. Grrrrr. The ones I've requested for birthday/Christmas aren't likely to be given away in a hurry, and the same goes for about half of those that I've recorded from the TV. For those evenings when you just want to relax in front of something (a) beautiful and (b) familiar, there's nothing better!


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Ann Welsh

11-02-02, 01:24 PM (GMT)
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2. "RE: Dance videos"
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   LAST EDITED ON 11-02-02 AT 01:27 PM (GMT)

I have 5 bought videos, one of which is more of a documentary (Darcey Bussell). But I have 25 recorded from TV, one or two of these either documentaries (eg Ballet Boyz) or interviews (Matthew Bourne). Like Anneliese, the recorded ones tend to be treated as a kind of 'lending library' to-ing and fro-ing between friends and other ballet-lovers.

Oh, and again like Anneliese I too recorded over the ROH closing gala, but have the opening one which is well used now.


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alison

11-02-02, 01:33 PM (GMT)
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3. "RE: Dance videos"
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   I've recorded several off TV, and bought rather more, I think. However, since it seems these days that since I bought my video recorder commercial videos are becoming a thing of the past, I frequently don't have much choice. (And some of the real goodies have been unavailable for years: my wishlist includes, among others, NBC's Onegin and the Royal Danish Ballet's Napoli). As for swapping them around, yes, I have lent a few to people who missed them (and that's just reminded me to get back to people about RB Nutcracker - sorry).. As for whether I'll actually *keep* all the ones I've recorded myself - well, I haven't even watched all of them yet, so who knows?


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trogadmin

11-02-02, 10:01 PM (GMT)
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4. "RE: Dance videos"
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   Here is an interesting article on this very topic http://www.calendarlive.com/top/1,1419,L-LATimes-Calendar-X!ArticleDetail-51295,00.html

In answer to your question. I have purchased 20 vids over the years, generally of productions that I have wanted to see, such as a "definitive" Giselle (Bolshoi) or something special; "Nutcracker Sweeties" springs to mind. I have also taped several ballets off the tele. I don't watch them though, which begs the question why I have them. I like my ballet live.


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Mike

11-02-02, 10:25 PM (GMT)
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5. "RE: Dance videos"
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   I have bought a number of videos and DVDs recently, although I must confess to being rather disappointed with the quality in general. Most of the DVDs are simply video productions transferred onto DVD, with no added features, and many seem very dark. Something of a waste, considering the potential of the DVD format, which could really do something special with surround sound, additional documentary features, cast biographies, etc. I suppose the fact that dance is still a relatively specialist subject, compared with the average feature film, sadly does not justify the outlay necessary for such productions

I was especially disappointed with a video of the BRB Nutcracker which I purchased recently after seeing a performance just before Christmas - extremely dark in places

I also record off the TV, and attempt to preserve the better productions and not tape over them. However, I do feel that the recorded versions really do lack something over live performances. Maybe I would feel more charitable if the average recording were of a better quality

I would also liked to say that I did enjoy the recent BBC Firebird. Having seen Leanne Benjamin in the role last summer, I will certainly be keeping my copy as a record of what I found to be a very enjoyable performance of a personal favourite (although as someone said on an earlier thread, not quite the Kirov)


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Viviane

11-02-02, 10:34 PM (GMT)
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6. "RE: Dance videos"
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   > I like my ballet live

Ofcourse Trog !
My problem is that I get distracted too easy but in my ballet-desert overhere I need to rely on video from time to time - if not to say MOST of the time !
So over the years I collected +/- 40 tapes. About 10 of them are bought videos and I also have 6 DVD's...I still can use these on my officecomputer and laptop only.
Well, I don't recommend watching a full-length ballet from a laptop
Most of the videos are copied from TV and aren't all ballets ofcourse, lots of them are dance- and ballet related documentaries.
And...there is a friend of mine with a HUGE collection, so I can always have 'new' suplies
It's really nice to rediscover old tapes !


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lara

12-02-02, 02:15 AM (GMT)
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7. "RE: Dance videos"
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   Alison,

NBC Onegin is still available, albeit in NTSC format. I bought it just a few months ago. You can find it at videoflicks.com

http://www.videoflicks.com/titles/1015/1015626.htm

lara@larahartley.com


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alison

12-02-02, 01:34 PM (GMT)
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9. "RE: Dance videos"
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   Thanks, Lara. I didn't know that. I *knew* there was a reason I bought an NTSC-compatible video!


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lara

12-02-02, 05:35 PM (GMT)
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11. "RE: Dance videos"
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   Alison,

You are welcome. AND just to make things more interesting I found this site mentioned on a ballet newsgroup.

http://www.facets.org/

They also have the Onegin and many many others listed. One of the best lists of ballet I have seen.

lara


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Bruce Madmin

12-02-02, 10:32 AM (GMT)
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8. "RE: Dance videos"
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   I have a love hate affair with videos. They certainly are not a patch on the real thing. I tried to express some of this in a piece I did back in 1998... so for newer readers here is a link to it:
http://www.ballet.co.uk/magazines/yr_98/oct98/video_bm_1.htm

I see the position on videos similar to cheap air fares - if the price comes right down then they will sell and sell very well. Part of the problem for the producer is committing to a minimum run of videos and CD's and then if they happen to sell wondering if you can flog another lot - often they just cannot take the risk and another piece is effectively lost to many.

Its a few years off but where we need to be is that all dance videos are held electronically and for 3 you can grab a copy for your own use. Broadband (and more) access is needed to make this a reality but it will come. At this kind of price and with instant (or nearly instant) access many will buy and buy from a much larger pool of titles too. I also think there is room for some of the videos that companies shoot (on stage o in the studio) - not as perfect entertainment but more for very interested fans keen to see dance and productions in a different dimension.


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eugdog

12-02-02, 05:24 PM (GMT)
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10. "RE: Dance videos"
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   I have about 50-100 videos and DVD both in NTSC and PAL. Recently I bought a projector which makes the dancers look almost life size.

I am not so confident of the wide spread disemination of ballet videos by internet etc as I use to be. Judging from the vast array of trucks needed by the BBC to televise Don Q there are clearly many fixed costs needed. Also broad band is a long way from producing decent pictures on the internet yet- perhaps another 10 years is needed.


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sylvia

12-02-02, 10:17 PM (GMT)
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12. "RE: Dance videos"
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   LAST EDITED ON 12-02-02 AT 10:19 PM (GMT)

I have about 25 videos, half were bought, the rest made very kindly by friends.

I'm no too enthused by the DVDs that have been released of late. The Coppelia DVD isn't too bad but the release of old ones like Mayerling seem a bit pointless if all it is is a transfer without any extras.

What I'd really love is to see is to make use of the extra room to fit in more than 1 cast. Quite a fantasy I know. But rather than rerelease say the old Mayerling or Manon on it's own, I'd love for them to tape the performances of one cast from the coming MacMillan year and sell them with the old ones. The kind of footage ROH films for viewing at the box-office would also be ideal if we hadn't seen it to death already. Still I love the behind-the-scenes stuff, rehearsals, classes, masterclasses, interviews, etc. And I think we're owed at least the biographies of the dancers and a little in depth knowldge about the ballet and production - the kind of stuff in programmes really. A lot of opportunities being missed from what I've seen so far.


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lara

12-02-02, 10:55 PM (GMT)
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13. "RE: Dance videos"
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   The best thing about new releases of older ballets, like Mayerling, on DVD is that they won't wear out, or wrinkle or getten eaten by the VCR. All good points in my book. Plus I can skip stuff, or watch portions over and over without fear of damaging the tape. There are moments in Mayerling that I watch repeatedly so the DVD will be nice. Plus I like to watch big leaps and jumps in slow motion or frame by frame just to marvel at how high. etc.


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eugdog

13-02-02, 12:43 PM (GMT)
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14. "RE: Dance videos"
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   I cannot agree with the poster who said that re-releases of Mayerling etc are pointless! The picture quality is so much better on DVD. And that must surely count for alot in a primarily visual form of enteretainment. I also like the convieniance of no rewind or fast forward and the ability to move quickly to each dance. Lets face it - alot of ballet (esp Macmillan) is mere padding so quick access to the really good bits is great.

As for rehersals and extra materials etc this would be a good thing to incorporate - if they existed. I suspect that most of the out takes were destroyed. Moreover additional cast (if they were ever filmed) cannot just be put on a DVD that easily. There are copyright issues that need to be taken into consideration.

But I think that the 30 ROH is charging is a rip off - esp when the video version (which cost more to produce) is much cheaper.


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Brendan McCarthymoderator

13-02-02, 12:49 PM (GMT)
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15. "RE: Dance videos"
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   A slightly different point to Eugene's, but the onset of HDTV (High Definition TV) will have big implications for ballet from the ROH. HDTV will mean that details of set-design now lost to the camera (and for that matter to the audience's eyes) will become be terrifyingly clear. Lots of repainting and rebuilding of sets ahead!


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Mike

13-02-02, 12:54 PM (GMT)
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16. "RE: Dance videos"
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   >But I think that the 30 ROH is charging is a rip off - esp >when the video version (which cost more to produce) is much >cheaper

...and when Amazon are charging 23.99. Much as I'm happy to support the ROH, when I went to purchase the Coppelia DVD at their shop on Saturday, I decided to wait and purchase online from Amazon as I object to being charged 29.99 for a single DVD


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