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alison

08-01-02, 05:23 PM (GMT)
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"Doll Music"
 
   Just had a request filter through to me: someone is looking for some music about a doll for a skating routine - it was suggested to me that the obvious choice would be the bit from Coppelia where the doll "comes alive", but I don't know precisely what it's called (and for that matter I can't remember whether I've got any of Coppelia on tape).

I suppose an alternative would be La Boutique Fantasque, where I believe the same thing happens, although I've never seen it. Can anyone help out with either the title of the Coppelia dance or any other suggestions of music that might be suitable?

Many thanks.


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  Subject     Author     Message Date     ID  
  RE: Doll Music Viviane 08-01-02 1
     RE: Doll Music Paul A 09-01-02 3
  RE: Doll Music Jim 09-01-02 2
  RE: Doll Music Viviane 09-01-02 4
     RE: Doll Music pmeja 09-01-02 5
  RE: Doll Music - Correction alison 09-01-02 6
     RE: Doll Music - Correction Jim 09-01-02 7
         RE: Doll Music - Correction pmeja 09-01-02 8
         RE: Doll Music - Correction Richard Jones 09-01-02 9
             RE: Doll Music Jonathan S 09-01-02 10
                 RE: Doll Music AEHandley 10-01-02 11

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Viviane

08-01-02, 05:45 PM (GMT)
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1. "RE: Doll Music"
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   LAST EDITED ON 08-01-02 AT 05:48 PM (GMT)

I think the music of the 'Bolero'-variation (Spanish doll) in Coppélia-Act II is appropriate. Although...I don't know anything about skating
Well...I can imagine the Saint Léon choreography on ice !


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Paul A

09-01-02, 09:32 AM (GMT)
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3. "RE: Doll Music"
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   Anything suitable from Les Patineurs - perhaps the two blue girls?


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Jim

09-01-02, 09:11 AM (GMT)
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2. "RE: Doll Music"
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   Part of Stravinsky's Petrushka might also be suitable.


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Viviane

09-01-02, 09:43 AM (GMT)
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4. "RE: Doll Music"
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   Maybe an 'Iceprincess' dancing on Glazunov's winterpart from "The seasons" ?


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pmeja

09-01-02, 05:04 PM (GMT)
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5. "RE: Doll Music"
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   there are some nice waltzes in coppelia that should be suitable for skating too, if you have access to the whole score, and especially if the skater is putting together a routine of different bits of music from the same theme.


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alison

09-01-02, 05:52 PM (GMT)
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6. "RE: Doll Music - Correction"
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   Thanks to everyone for their input so far. I've now had some clarification about the original question! What they actually need is to find the piece of music where the doll comes alive, but we don't know what it's called. I haven't got the entire score, only extracts, and the bit "Valse de la poupée", I think it's called, seems to be the bit immediately before what we are looking for. If anyone has a complete version and can tell me what the next section is called, I'd be very grateful.


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Jim

09-01-02, 08:11 PM (GMT)
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7. "RE: Doll Music - Correction"
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   >the bit "Valse de la poupée", I think it's
>called, seems to be the bit immediately before what we
>are looking for. If anyone has a complete version
>and can tell me what the next section is called,
>I'd be very grateful.

Alison, on my recording (allegedly complete) the item following the Valse de la poupée is simply called Scène (admittedly not very helpful). Then follows Bolero, then Gigue and then another Scène. Then it's the end of the Act. For what it's worth.



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pmeja

09-01-02, 10:02 PM (GMT)
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8. "RE: Doll Music - Correction"
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   LAST EDITED ON 09-01-02 AT 10:03 PM (GMT)

Well I don't have a recording, but there is the scene before a waltz in Coppelius' shop where she is "waking up", he is pantomiming taking Franz's soul out of his body and putting it into her and she is winking her eyes and testing her limbs out, so to speak. then there is a waltz and then the doll dances (the "scene" between the waltz and those dances?). so the waking up scene isn't properly, as I remember it, a waltz. however any combination of bits of these might be just fine for a skater. If you have a video copy of 'the red shoes' i seem to remember that this waking scene is in the film.


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Richard Jones

09-01-02, 10:33 PM (GMT)
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9. "RE: Doll Music - Correction"
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>Alison, on my recording (allegedly complete)
>the item following the Valse
>de la poupée is simply
>called Scène

“Scène” implies a section of action music between set dances, probably with bits of the libretto written in above the score at the appropriate points; Tchaikovsky uses the term many times, e.g. for the famous swan theme at the opening of Act 2 of S. This piece appears in the SL suite for concert use, but is still called “Scène” even there. In the full score of SL, he indicates the various events in the action above the score where necessary in sections called "Scène".

The “Scène” after the Valse de la poupée would seem to be the place to search.

Other suggestions:

“The Viennese Musical Clock” from ‘Hary Janos’ (Kodaly) – it’s suitably mechanical, brightly orchestrated, and can be found in the suite of pieces from the opera of the same name.

“Pulcinella” – Stravinsky’s realisation of music by the early 18th century composer Pergolesi, made for Diaghilev. Several contrasting movements to choose from, adding Stravinsky’s spice to Pergolesi’s charm.

“Matinées musicales” and “Soiréees musicales” – Britten’s arrangement of music by Rossini, some of it from the same source as Respighi used when he arr. the music for La Boutique Fantasque.

“Jeux d’enfants” by Bizet, used by Massine for a ballet of the same name: a girl finds her toys coming to life, and she falls in love with one of them, of course! It's a dream world!

“Dolly” by Fauré; some will remember the question “Are you sitting comfortably?” – 1950’s radio for children! – the music for that was the opening Berceuse, but there are other, contrasting movements.

For a lively doll, part of Ibert’s “Divertissement” of 1930, used for Gore’s ballet “Street games”.

Walton's "Facade" - the Polka? or the Popular Song?

And, for real fun, Malcolm Arnold did a brass band arrangement of the pizzicato polka from Delibes’ “Sylvia”!

Happy listening! The problem for skaters is to construct effective choreography to spiky 20th century music – because of the nature of skating it’s much easier with smooth waltzes. etc (there are keen skaters in my family, so I’ve seen this problem before!).

(And finally – what about Sir Cliff’s original recording of “Livin’ Doll”?! If Chris Bruce can use the Stones in Rooster…..!)


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Jonathan S

09-01-02, 10:48 PM (GMT)
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10. "RE: Doll Music"
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   Re: the Coppélia bit - are you talking about the bit where the cupboard door opens and you get the slow bit from the overture? If so, it's not very long.

There's lot's Glazunov that would be nice, I'd think, but in particular the "Marionettes" from Scénes de Ballet. There's some glorious stuff in Raymonda too, and Les Ruses d'Amour.


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AEHandley

10-01-02, 02:18 PM (GMT)
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11. "RE: Doll Music"
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   Shostakovich's Dances of the Dolls?


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