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Brendan McCarthymoderator

14-12-01, 11:08 PM (GMT)
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"Stravinsky Staged"
 
   Transmission on BBC2 will be 26th January 2002.


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  Subject     Author     Message Date     ID  
  RE: Stravinsky Staged Richard Jones 15-12-01 1
     RE: Stravinsky Staged alison 17-12-01 2
         RE: Stravinsky Staged Brendan McCarthymoderator 18-12-01 3
             RE: Stravinsky Staged Richard Jones 18-12-01 4
                 RE: Stravinsky Staged Anneliese 18-12-01 5
                     RE: Stravinsky Staged Beavis 19-12-01 6
                         RE: Stravinsky Staged Richard Jones 19-12-01 7
                             RE: Stravinsky Staged Beavis 19-12-01 8
                             RE: Stravinsky Staged Paul A 19-12-01 9
                             RE: Stravinsky Staged Beavis 19-12-01 10
                             RE: Stravinsky Staged AEHandley 19-12-01 11

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Richard Jones

15-12-01, 10:42 AM (GMT)
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1. "RE: Stravinsky Staged"
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   Thanks for this info. Do you know what ballets are being shown?


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alison

17-12-01, 12:59 PM (GMT)
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2. "RE: Stravinsky Staged"
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   AFAIK, they only filmed Firebird and Les Noces. Firebird should be Leanne Benjamin, I think, but I'm not sure who Prince Ivan will be, as Nigel Burley got injured after the first performance.


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Brendan McCarthymoderator

18-12-01, 10:40 AM (GMT)
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3. "RE: Stravinsky Staged"
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   Alison is right. While the Balanchine Trust agreed to performances of Agon by the Royal Ballet, they would not license a BBC recording.


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Richard Jones

18-12-01, 10:51 AM (GMT)
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4. "RE: Stravinsky Staged"
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   >Alison is right. While the Balanchine
>Trust agreed to performances of
>Agon by the Royal Ballet,
>they would not license a
>BBC recording.

Mean lot! After the ENB Liverpool Nut disaster, this shows an equally unimaginative approach. Agon is a ballet that needs a few viewings (and some explanation) in order to get into it, and performances are not common. Why do ballet heirarchies sometimes seem only to be concerned about the cognoscenti? No wonder the majority prefer to stick with what they know.


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Anneliese

18-12-01, 05:07 PM (GMT)
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5. "RE: Stravinsky Staged"
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   Inclined to agree. What do the Balanchine Trust have to gain by not permitting a recording? They stand to LOSE a lot!


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Beavis

19-12-01, 07:09 AM (GMT)
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6. "RE: Stravinsky Staged"
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   Giving permission to perform a work is one thing, allowing it to be videoed for prosperity is another. As much as I would have wanted to have a video of the performance, the trust might have worried that some would consider it a definitive production and used it to coach or set other performances.


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Richard Jones

19-12-01, 08:24 AM (GMT)
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7. "RE: Stravinsky Staged"
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   But Balanchine's choreography has been on TV before; I remember Apollo, Agon, Who Cares?, Stars and Stripes, and Union Jack. Admittedly Agon was not complete, (and Apollo may not have been either, or perhaps it was the complete 'short' version from the late 70's). I guess the difference here was that it was an American production - and it seemed to be some kind of Balanchine Festival. Could it be that the Balanchine Trust will not give permission for companies in other countries to record performances because it is felt that the result may not quite be the Authorized Version? (On the other hand, I think I read somewhere that there is now a good deal of argument in the USA as to what is true Balanchine style).


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Beavis

19-12-01, 02:00 PM (GMT)
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8. "RE: Stravinsky Staged"
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   LAST EDITED ON 19-12-01 AT 02:00 PM (GMT)

I'm not part of the Trust so I can't really answer your question. But I don't think it is a case where they don't want any videos at all, but rather which casts, productions etc... Most of the available or taped versions of Agon were made during Balanchine's lifetime. Another, on the Balanchine Celebration tape, was made with a very strong cast that had been performing the ballet for a long time.

From what I heard and read about the recent Royal production was that it was not the most perfect performance and what might be good enough for a fleeting performance on stage, might not be good enough to be made into a permanent record.

I really don't think there is an American bias. However, Balanchine made most of his ballets for his own company, the New York City Ballet, a group trained mostly from his school (SAB) which teaches his style of dance. So it should not be surprising that the Trust would feel OK about having NYCB perform and tape Balanchine's works. Would English viewers be happy to have the Kirov's version of Manon be the performance of record?


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Paul A

19-12-01, 02:36 PM (GMT)
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9. "RE: Stravinsky Staged"
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   > Would English viewers be happy to have the Kirov's version of Manon be the performance of record?

Not sure the comparison is valid: you may see more in th eoriginal by looking at the differences in interpretation.

Isn't Agon more Brechtian in concept - ie there is one, physical interpretation to aspire to that doesn't have the nuances of interpretation.

But agree the RB performance was not in the league to save for posterity. BRB did it better a few years back - that had a visceral wow factor.



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Beavis

19-12-01, 03:08 PM (GMT)
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10. "RE: Stravinsky Staged"
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   Well, I could argue that while there are no "characters" in Agon, there is definitely a right and a wrong way to perform the work -- the Balanchine style, so to speak. But I understand your point.

And I can understand those people who are disappointed with the exclusion of Agon from the Stravinsky TV programe. The Royal seems to have a tricky relationship with the Balanchine Trust. I'm sure all of you remember that the company was denied the right to perform Apollo a few years back (due to the poor form of Mukamedov) -- with the plug being pulled just a few days before the performances.


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AEHandley

19-12-01, 05:37 PM (GMT)
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11. "RE: Stravinsky Staged"
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   Beavis asked "Would English viewers be happy to have the Kirov's version of Manon to be the performance of record?"

Sorry, this question is just plain daft. "The performance of record" - well, there's no such thing. How many recordings of Brahms' second piano concerto are there in existence? They're all different; some people like Brendel, some people like Jao Pires (sp?), some people like Uchida. I'm prepared to bet that Brendel has recorded it several times with different conductors and some people love one version and hate another!

Why on earth shouldn't the same apply to ballet? This site shows that people love to compare different casts in one production, and different productions, of the same work. Why not be able to do so on film as well as in person? It seems that the Balanchine Trust is determined to kill Balanchine's work by refusing to allow it to reach an audience outside New York. That is surely not the attitude of an organisation with the love of art at its heart.


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