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Helen

05-12-01, 08:40 PM (GMT)
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"Rojo/Cooper in Onegin"
 
   Was anyone else at the performance of Onegin yesterday, 4th December? I didn't see anyone I recognised. I thought I would start a new thread as the other one is getting long.

In brief (well,brief-ish) I liked it but I wasn't overwhelmed. I thought some of it seemed a little bit disconnected, especially early on. I couldn't quite work out whether this was the choreography, the music or the conducting - I don't think it was the dancing. The sets and costumes were quite atmospheric, and there were some lovely tableau-like moments, like the ball scene. Pity about the noisy pointe shoes, which I find very distracting.

Adam Cooper was born to play Onegin - he is capable of holding the audience when standing still, and there's a lot of that. Alina, of course, was marvellous - since I'm one of the few able to remember Markova, I'll say that she reminds me of her a little, not in personality, but in lightness and general look. I thought Ethan Stiefel looked wonderful and danced well. Rojo I was not quite sure about. I do find her face rather inexpressive, though you can't really fault her dancing. She only seemed to me to get going in the last act - again, this could be the construction of the ballet. To cast Muriel Valtat as the Nurse seemed to me an absolutely appalling waste. I thought the corps danced well throughout, and they have some nice stuff to do. I agree about the grand jetes!

I have to admit I indulged in a bit of fantasy casting. It is very easy to imagine what Fonteyn and Nureyev would have done with these roles, and (just to show I do know something about today's dancers) I would have liked to see Jonathan Cope cast as Onegin.

I'd love to know how people who've seen it several times thought this performance compared with others they have seen - and any other views, of course.


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  Subject     Author     Message Date     ID  
  RE: Rojo/Cooper in Onegin jhanner 05-12-01 1
     Galeazzi/Tewsley Jane S 05-12-01 2
         RE: Galeazzi/Tewsley PhilipBadmin 05-12-01 4
         RE: Galeazzi/Tewsley Anneliese 06-12-01 23
             RE: Irek as Onegin lara 08-12-01 27
                 RE: Irek as Onegin Anneliese 21-01-02 33
     RE: Rojo/Cooper in Onegin sylvia 05-12-01 3
         RE: Rojo/Cooper in Onegin Katy 05-12-01 5
             RE: Rojo/Cooper in Onegin sylvia 06-12-01 6
                 RE: Rojo/Cooper in Onegin PhilipBadmin 06-12-01 7
             RE: Rojo/Cooper in Onegin Ann Welsh 06-12-01 8
                 RE: Rojo/Cooper in Onegin Helen 06-12-01 11
             RE: Rojo/Cooper in Onegin Virginia 06-12-01 9
                 RE: Rojo/Cooper in Onegin eugene merrett 06-12-01 10
                 RE: Rojo/Cooper in Onegin hiroko 06-12-01 12
                     RE: Rojo/Cooper in Onegin Virginia 06-12-01 15
             RE: Rojo/Cooper in Onegin Ann Welsh 06-12-01 13
                 RE: Rojo/Cooper in Onegin Robert 06-12-01 14
                     RE: Rojo/Cooper in Onegin Robert 06-12-01 16
                         RE: Rojo/Cooper in Onegin Viviane 06-12-01 17
                     RE: Rojo/Cooper in Onegin Helen 06-12-01 18
                         RE: Rojo/Cooper in Onegin Helen 06-12-01 19
                             RE: Rojo/Cooper in Onegin Carly Gillies 06-12-01 20
                             RE: Rojo/Cooper in Onegin Karen Ritchie 06-12-01 21
                             RE: Rojo/Cooper in Onegin Ann Welsh 06-12-01 24
                             RE: Rojo/Cooper in Onegin Anneliese 07-12-01 26
     RE: Rojo/Cooper in Onegin Pete G 07-12-01 25
  RE: Rojo/Cooper in Onegin alison 06-12-01 22
     RE: Rojo/Cooper in Onegin lara 08-12-01 28
         RE: Rojo/Cooper in Onegin J 20-01-02 29
             RE: Rojo/Cooper in Onegin snkk197 20-01-02 30
                 RE: Rojo/Cooper in Onegin J 20-01-02 31
                     RE: Rojo/Cooper in Onegin sylvia 20-01-02 32
                         RE: Rojo/Cooper in Onegin alison 21-01-02 34
                             RE: Rojo/Cooper in Onegin sylvia 21-01-02 35
                             RE: Rojo/Cooper in Onegin Angela 21-01-02 36
  RE: Rojo/Cooper in Onegin Bruce Madmin 21-01-02 37

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jhanner

05-12-01, 09:28 PM (GMT)
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1. "RE: Rojo/Cooper in Onegin"
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   Helen -interesting to read your comment as I felt the same about Onegin. I really did enjoy it but it didnt blow me away the way Manon did the first time I saw it.

I thought Cope would make a good Onegin too and Guillem would be a fabulous Tatiana - maybe the summer cast may see some alternative casting?


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Jane S

05-12-01, 10:32 PM (GMT)
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2. "Galeazzi/Tewsley"
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   Just back from the first performance by this cast, and Galeazzi was quite outstandingly good. Dramatically especially she was terrific - the real Tatiana at last.

Tewsley was good too, and Adam Cooper played third fiddle with considerable charm.


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PhilipBadmin

05-12-01, 11:43 PM (GMT)
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4. "RE: Galeazzi/Tewsley"
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   I agree, Jane - Galeazzi was terrific, although casting Adam Cooper as Gremin seemed like a waste of his evening...

Going back to the earlier post about Guillem: I can't say I agree as Guillem stopped being convincing in teenage roles some time ago, IMHO. Witness her Giselle this year which I for one just couldn't believe in. I'm not saying she isn't a great dancer, but there are some ballets (such as Cranko's) that require convincing acting as well!

Regards,
PhilipB


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Anneliese

06-12-01, 06:38 PM (GMT)
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23. "RE: Galeazzi/Tewsley"
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   Delighted to hear this about Mara Galeazzi - she made a huge impression on me the first time I saw her and has continued to do so. Now, to see her dance Tatiana to Irek's Onegin, THAT would be something... I think I'll have to go and see this ballet again in the summer, it's a long time since I was so inspired by a work.


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lara

08-12-01, 07:20 PM (GMT)
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27. "RE: Irek as Onegin"
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   > to Irek's
>Onegin, THAT would be something...

Anneliese,

I think you and I share an admiration for Irek. I agree that he would have been a wonderful Onegin! And also Cope.

Speaking of Irek, have you read his biography? Wonderful!


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Anneliese

21-01-02, 12:56 PM (GMT)
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33. "RE: Irek as Onegin"
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   Lara, I've only just seen this message! No, I haven't read Irek's biography - should I put it on my birthday list? I haven't seen it anywhere.


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sylvia

05-12-01, 11:42 PM (GMT)
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3. "RE: Rojo/Cooper in Onegin"
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   I did enjoy Tuesday's Onegin though admittedly I wasn't as swept away as when I saw Alina and Johan last week. I think Tamara matches Alina in every way except in the mirror pdd where Alina really danced with absolute abandon. Though the transitions didn't seem very smooth, there were moments I liked - those 4 flying lifts starting (relatively!) small and getting bigger with each one. And the panic she expressed as soon as she ordered Onegin out of her life, and then the look on her face as the curtain came down felt so tragic. I don't think she was necessarily the best Tatiana but I do think she gave absolutely the best ending to the ballet. Adam was terrific of course. And my highlight was definitely Stiefel in Act II.

I really wish Cope had been cast and would love to see others in it like Guillem over the summer. But will Reid Andersen have any say over future casts or is the RB more or less free to cast as it likes after this first run?

And I'm looking forward to Galeazzi and Tewsley on the 10th!


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Katy

05-12-01, 11:55 PM (GMT)
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5. "RE: Rojo/Cooper in Onegin"
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   I for one WAS overwhelmed on Tuesday night. There were a few moments where Adam Cooper was standing stage left looking tortured where it was all I could do not to leap on there and join him! A thoroughly impressive performance for me, particularly Ethan Stiefel who just gets better and better and Tamara Rojo who I couldn't fault. I agree though about wanting to see Cope as Onegin. Still, a fantastic performance in my opinion.


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sylvia

06-12-01, 00:43 AM (GMT)
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6. "RE: Rojo/Cooper in Onegin"
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   LAST EDITED ON 06-12-01 AT 00:45 AM (GMT)

How full was the auditorium on Wednesday for Galeazzi-Tewsley btw?


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PhilipBadmin

06-12-01, 10:53 AM (GMT)
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7. "RE: Rojo/Cooper in Onegin"
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   I was in the Amphiteatre and it was about 90% full.
On Monday I was down in the Grand Tier and the stalls looked about 95% full.
On both occasions the slips were almost empty.

Regards,
PhilipB


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Ann Welsh

06-12-01, 11:15 AM (GMT)
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8. "RE: Rojo/Cooper in Onegin"
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   Having got myself there at enormous expense, it was going to have to be worth it - and it was.

Whilst Rojo and Cojacaru were utterly delightful, for me the stars were Cooper and Stiefel. Cooper has got his old style back, no doubt the result of working with someone with the technical abilities of an ABT dancer. And of course his partnering and acting were absolutely spot on. And Stiefel was everything I expected.

But the most interesting thing was that the distraction caused by those noisy pointe shoes was all the more noticeable in contrast to the utterly light and silent dancing of the men. And it wasn't just because they weren't on point - I have heard some male dancers land with a great thud

Oh, and I did wander round the Floral Hall trying to spot likely ballet.co people - to no avail of course since I've never met any of you. Needle in a haystack! Next time, I'll announce my coming....


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Helen

06-12-01, 01:15 PM (GMT)
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11. "RE: Rojo/Cooper in Onegin"
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   >
>Oh, and I did wander round
>the Floral Hall trying to
>spot likely ballet.co people -
>to no avail of course
>since I've never met any
>of you. Needle in
>a haystack! Next time, I'll
>announce my coming....


Ann and others - I would have emailed you if I had dared, but I was afraid of spreading/getting the current virus (computer, not flu!). Glad you got there.

I thought I did hear one heavy landing from Stiefel, but that's a quibble - he was excellent. The scoring seemed rather thin at some key moments, which cruelly exposed the noisy girls - some thunderous bourrees!


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Virginia

06-12-01, 11:17 AM (GMT)
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9. "RE: Rojo/Cooper in Onegin"
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   I was there too on Tuesday and was tremendously impressed, I thought Cooper was fantastic and Rojo excellent, loved their pas de deux, and thought Cojocaru and Stiefel gave beautiful performances of Olga and Lensky. And what a wonderful ballet. There were a few moments when I couldn't help thinking of Guillem and how well she would act Tatiana, and I'd love to see Cope as Onegin. But (what a relief after Don Q!) I really really enjoyed this, and indeed was in tears at the end of both the second and the third acts - Rojo on stage at the end was heartbreaking (and she and Cooper looked totally exhausted when they took their first calls).

Virginia
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eugene merrett

06-12-01, 01:08 PM (GMT)
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10. "RE: Rojo/Cooper in Onegin"
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   I really liked Onegin. It is a very subtle introspective ballet in contrast to Macmillan who verges on gross overstatement! Some scenes were a bit flat esp the grand ball room dance at the start of Act 3. Also the brooding solo for Lensky before the duel (a direct conversion to dance of Lensky famous aria in the opera) could have been helped by some better music. Tchaikovsky wrote many great operas (far better then Verdi in my view!) so there is plenty of fine music to choose from - It was a pity they used a mish mash of his rather slight piano music.

It would be hard to find a better cast for the performance I saw. Adam Cooper is perfect for rather darkly attractive Onegin. Rojo gives a remarkably powerful dramatic performance. The scene where Onegin tears up her letter is heartbreaking. There can be no doubt from this performance that Olga is the younger sister! Alina was absolutely delightful in this role. She also demonstrates her brilliant technique to the full. Steiffel might be the best dancer on the stage but he does not have the stage presnece of Adam Cooper. But he really comes into his in his solo variation.

I was very impressed by Cranko's choreography. The integration of dance and drama was more effective then MacMillan. There seem to be far less padding esp in the corp de ballet dance. But the pas de deux, superb as they are, are not quite as good as the best of MacMillan. But I often find that MacMillan goes in for overstatement. I found Manon quite over the top in sleaze and squalor. Onegin in contrast was subtle, introspective and more human

I am very surprised why this ballet has not been done before by the RB. It is perfect for a very strong dramatic company with a relativey small auditorium. What would I give to see the likes of Viviana Durante, Leslie Collier and Irek Mukhamdevetc in these terrific roles. Another triumph for Dowell (not!)!!


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hiroko

06-12-01, 01:33 PM (GMT)
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12. "RE: Rojo/Cooper in Onegin"
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   Virginia, I am sure that Adam and Tamara were totally exhausted after such a passionate performance but my impression by their facial expression at their first call was that they still could not get out of their deep emotional sadness that they were playing. I was touched so deeply with superb performances of Tamara, Alina, Adam and Ethan. Especially, I enjoyed such a detailed facial and dancing acts that Adam performed so differently at each acts.


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Virginia

06-12-01, 02:23 PM (GMT)
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15. "RE: Rojo/Cooper in Onegin"
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   Hiroko, I am sure you are right - I thought they were emotionally as well as physically exhausted by what they had put into their performances. It definitely took them some time to 'come round' as the audience applauded - very understandable, given the intensity of feeling they generated.

Virginia


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Ann Welsh

06-12-01, 02:13 PM (GMT)
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13. "RE: Rojo/Cooper in Onegin"
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   LAST EDITED ON 06-12-01 AT 02:18 PM (GMT)

At huge expense I finally made it to Onegin on Tuesday night. Was it worth all the time, effort and money? Definitely.

And whilst greatly admiring Rojo and Cojacaru (especially the latter), I did actually think that the men came off better, particularly in one respect (see below). Cooper has got his old style back again, no doubt influenced by working with someone with the technical ability of Stiefel. His superb partnering, acting and command of the stage were, as always, faultless. Stiefel danced beautifully, though his acting seemed a little subdued.

However, one thing that struck me. What was particularly noticeable was the fact that, in contrast to the clonking of pointe shoes from the ladies (which, like Helen, I find most distracting) the two male leads landed from the highest of jumps, featherlight and silent. Yes, I know, they weren't wearing points, but I have heard some thumping landings from other male dancers in the past .

I did wander around the Floral Hall during the intervals in the hope of trying to spot ballet.co people, but useless of course since I've never met any of you. Next time around, I'll announce my coming....

Oops, sorry - posted twice. Thought the first one hadn't taken!


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Robert

06-12-01, 02:22 PM (GMT)
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14. "RE: Rojo/Cooper in Onegin"
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   I am looking forward to seeing Onegin next week.
I am intrigued at the idea of wandering around the Floral Hall in the interval looking for likely balletco people. Do you proposition them and hope it is not embarrassing? I have tried to imagine what various balletco people are like without success. If it helps when spotting me, I too like Helen, remember Makarova.


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Robert

06-12-01, 02:24 PM (GMT)
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16. "RE: Rojo/Cooper in Onegin"
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   Sorry! I meant Markova not Makerova. That adds a few grey hairs.


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Viviane

06-12-01, 02:28 PM (GMT)
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17. "RE: Rojo/Cooper in Onegin"
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   Bruce, I think you'll need to supply your readers with
Balletco-buttons


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Helen

06-12-01, 02:31 PM (GMT)
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18. "RE: Rojo/Cooper in Onegin"
In response to message #14
 
   Not Makarova, Robert, Markova - Alicia Markova, who recently had her 91st birthday! (I did start going to ballet quite young, and Markova danced until she was in her 50s.) I remember Makarova too!


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Helen

06-12-01, 02:34 PM (GMT)
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19. "RE: Rojo/Cooper in Onegin"
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   Oh, Ive just read Robert's correction.


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Carly Gillies

06-12-01, 02:56 PM (GMT)
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20. "RE: Rojo/Cooper in Onegin"
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   I'm going to see the Cooper/Rojo cast on Jan 19th.
I suspect that every ballet.co reader in the UK will already have seen it by then, but if anyone else is going it'd be great to meet you. - Email me.
(I'll be the one wondering around looking lost - 30 yrs since I was last in the ROH!!)


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Karen Ritchie

06-12-01, 05:23 PM (GMT)
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21. "RE: Rojo/Cooper in Onegin"
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   Yes I will be there that night, as will my friend Jane. I would email you but I can never remember user name/password to login properly to get your email address, if that makes the least bit of sense! I am really looking forward to seeing the performance, even if I am up in the Amph with my binoculars!


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Ann Welsh

06-12-01, 07:45 PM (GMT)
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24. "RE: Rojo/Cooper in Onegin"
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   Carly, speaking as a mere provincial, I was initially a bit nervous about the ROH. Easy. On my second visit I discovered the "back door" off the piazza rather than from the main frontage. This takes you past the ROH shop, for a bit of a browse, and the booking office. From there it is all carefully sign-posted.

My only regret is that I can only afford seats in the Amphi. Though the seats booked via the ROH website are good as they only offer unrestricted viewing, they are very far from the stage so you do definitely need the binoculars.

ALL: I'd welcome any advice on good seats at reasonable prices in any other parts of the house and nearer the stage.

Maybe a new thread?


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Anneliese

07-12-01, 01:07 PM (GMT)
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26. "RE: Rojo/Cooper in Onegin"
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   I always used to try and get the semi restricted view in the upper circle (Balcony, do they call it? Not sure how many tiers there are, more familiar with the coli). If you booked early enough you could get the seats right next to the unrestricted view (ie with centre stage at 12 o'clock these seats are at about 3 and 9 o'clock) for about 25 for ballet - or about half the price of your neighbour's seat. However, if you are forced much closer to the stage the restriction becomes an issue and you have to know your choreography to know which side of the stage to sit! You also HAVE to be in the front row for those seats to be ok for ballet.


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Pete G

07-12-01, 00:18 AM (GMT)
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25. "RE: Rojo/Cooper in Onegin"
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   You've just made my day. Thank you.

I dithered around not knowing which performance of Onegin to book for (thank you Mr S) and when I finally got round to trying the one I wanted was sold out. I'd completely forgotten that it's in the summer season too. Cheers.


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alison

06-12-01, 05:54 PM (GMT)
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22. "RE: Rojo/Cooper in Onegin"
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   Perhaps I shouldn't have seen Kobborg in the role first, but I was less impressed with Cooper - obviously his dancing isn't of the same quality, but I felt that from the dramatic p.o.v. in comparison he was slightly uninvolved with what was going on around him (yes, I suppose Onegin should be, but that wasn't quite what I meant ). I also thought I detected slight insecurity in partnering in the "mirror" pas de deux - it wasn't as fluent as Cojocaru/Kobborg. Talking of Alina, I thought she was absolutely delightful as Olga, much more nuances of interpretation than Gemma Bond had, and definitely better suited to the role than to Tatiana, at present, at least. Very impressed with Stiefel's dancing as Lensky - absolutely beautiful - but he still doesn't entirely convince me dramatically. I liked Rojo's Tatiana, although would possibly agree that she didn't get into it fully until the final act, but as you say that may be due to the ballet's structure. Far preferred (in the context) her attitude in the pdd with Gremin in Act 3, Scene 1, which was composed and contented rather than deliriously happy. In the final scene she and Adam were quite stunning together: not only is the pdd hugely physically demanding, but emotionally totally draining as well - at the first curtain call, Tamara looked as though she was almost having difficulty staying upright, so wiped out was she, although I suspect that was an emotional reaction rather more than a physical one.


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lara

08-12-01, 10:24 PM (GMT)
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28. "RE: Rojo/Cooper in Onegin"
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   >Perhaps I shouldn't have seen Kobborg
>in the role first, but
>I was less impressed with
>Cooper - obviously his dancing
>isn't of the same quality

Can anyone explain to me exactly what this means?


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J

20-01-02, 00:06 AM (GMT)
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29. "RE: Rojo/Cooper in Onegin"
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   Just back from seeing Onegin - for the second time.
First performance had Galeazzi, Nunez, Tewsley & Persson. This time it was Rojo, Cojocuro, Cooper & Putrov.
Amazing how much difference the casting made to the story and characters and one's response to them.
Both casts were fantasic but Alina brings with her that amazing brilliance. She and Ivan Putrov dance together with such energy and grace - it's out of this world!


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snkk197

20-01-02, 10:42 AM (GMT)
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30. "RE: Rojo/Cooper in Onegin"
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   LAST EDITED ON 20-01-02 AT 11:23 AM (GMT)

I thought Rojo and Cooper were absolutely brilliant last night, probably the best I've ever seen them. I preferred Tewsley's dancing on Thursday, but as an actor Adam is incomparable. Likewise Rojo was wonderfully passionate. I'll never forget the look on her face when she ordered Onegin out of her life, and the instant panic and regret after. I'm putting this performance as one of my all time favourites - on par with Alina and Johan.


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J

20-01-02, 10:32 PM (GMT)
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31. "RE: Rojo/Cooper in Onegin"
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   Didn't you find that Putrov brought the Lensky role to life brilliantly? I found he and Alina made the story line in the first half of the ballet much more 3 dimensional.


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sylvia

20-01-02, 11:33 PM (GMT)
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32. "RE: Rojo/Cooper in Onegin"
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   J, I thought Putrov was quite good, his first solo and partnering with Alina really lovely. Physically they're really well matched I think. Alina was just her usual brilliant self of course but I've said so so many times and of course everyone expects it by now! And I agree that Olga and Lensky's dancing breathe so much life into Onegin.

I was less convinced in Act II - I think Putrov lacked the strength of feeling, the jealousy and rage that I saw in other Lenskys. I had to laugh a little at Lensky's challenge to Onegin - some mis-timing on either Putrov or Cooper's part because Onegin got phantom-slapped before the glove even hit him. . I'm looking forward to seeing Stepanek again who really did smack Kobborg a good one (and loudly too!). Since he stood in at the last minute I wonder whether it was accident or intentional and if he plans to do so again on Thursday?

Anyway, back to Putrov his solo afterwards was just beautiful but I think there's still lots of room for improvement. I'm being very unfair - I saw Stiefel's Lensky several times so it's impossible not to comapre the subsequent casts to him.


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alison

21-01-02, 01:33 PM (GMT)
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34. "RE: Rojo/Cooper in Onegin"
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   >I was less convinced in Act
>II - I think Putrov
>lacked the strength of feeling,
>the jealousy and rage that
>I saw in other Lenskys.

*None* of the RB Lenskys I've seen have convinced me at that point yet, and that's one of my main disappointments with the production - I've just never been able to believe that any of them were sufficiently angry, insulted, jealous, whatever to challenge Onegin to a duel to the death, and that, to me, rather undermines the whole thing. It is, of course, a pivotal moment in the plot. I haven't seen Stepanek, unfortunately, but from what I've heard I suspect he might convince me, and I believe he is cast again this time round.


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sylvia

21-01-02, 02:50 PM (GMT)
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35. "RE: Rojo/Cooper in Onegin"
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   He is if the website si anything to go by. Mistake on my part - I meant Stepanek's dancing on Wednesday, not Thursday (Persson again).

I did think Stiefel looked completely distraught over Olga's flirtations. I thought it was really apparent the way he did that head-in-hands rocking from side-to-side with Rojo supporting herself on his back and doing splits in the air - does anyone know what I'm talking about?! The other guys I've seen sway a bit here and there and it didn't have the same impact. And I loved Stiefel's farewell kiss to Olga which was at first sweet, then as he remembered the hurt he could barely stand to touch her anymore and shoved her to the ground. Whereas the others kisses were forgiving. It's the little details that make Stiefel's Lensky stick out in my mind, and of course the quality of his dancing was just wonderful.


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Angela

21-01-02, 03:03 PM (GMT)
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36. "RE: Rojo/Cooper in Onegin"
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   Alison, you're so right about the Lenskys. I liked Stiefel for his dancing, but the only convincing Lensky nowadays is Vladimir Malakhov, who somehow manages to convey that he is a poet and not only a lover. He has that Russian melancholy in all his acting, and there's a deeper, almost philosophical quality to the emotions in his solo before the duel.


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Bruce Madmin

21-01-02, 09:06 PM (GMT)
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37. "RE: Rojo/Cooper in Onegin"
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   Can I give a nudge to start a new thread for continued Onegin chat... ta!


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