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Lynette H

23-11-01, 02:51 PM (GMT)
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"Onegin, ROH, 22/11/01 review"
 
   Onegin, Royal Ballet, Covent Garden, 22 November 2001

To say the opening night of the Royal’s new acquisition of Onegin was keenly awaited would be a huge understatement. After a less than stellar opening to the season with the initial Don Q, we are all hoping for a brilliant debut for a new full length narrative work at Covent Garden, one which should exploit the dramatic talents of the company to the full. It would be the first production of a Cranko work in many years, a welcome acknowledgement of one of the choreographers who developed here under the wing of de Valois. And it included the return of the ever popular Adam Cooper, probably Britain’s best known male dancer, as a guest to the company where he trained.

Much work had gone into this: a mixed bill which should have originally taken place before Christmas was scrapped in order to spend more time getting the two new productions right. But, as Monica Mason observed at an earlier Insight Evening, introducing a work which is wholly new to a company is a difficult business, and it takes time to get the details right and for the production to settle. So it seems to have proved. There is much to admire in this production, and it will be a fine addition to the Royal’s repertoire. It hasn’t quite come together yet. Most of the ingredients are there, but at present it is beautiful and impressive rather than the searingly involving experience that it could be. But it should get there: it just needs time and greater familiarity of the dancers with their roles and with each other.

The role of Onegin, the darkly attractive sophisticate who callously brushes off the youthful adoration of the young Tatiana with tragic consequences, ought to be a natural for Adam Cooper, who made such an impact as the dark, sexy Stranger in AMP’s Swan Lake. When he was with the Royal, he was notable for the detail of his characterisation, even of minor characters. But he seemed uncharacteristically distant and muted in the first act, and his Onegin only slowly came to life. The pas de deux at the close of the first act, where he steps through the mirror in a dream sequence as Tatiana’s imagined lover, seemed to present a few problems both for him and Tamara Rojo as Tatiana. A few more performances should see this looking much more smooth and effortless, and allow the pair to concentrate less on the steps and more on their projection. Cooper and Rojo have not appeared together before, and their partnership became much more potent in the course of the performance – the final pas de deux in the last act gave a real intimation of the intensity and power they are capable of, where the conflict of emotions surges through the steps with a desperate force.

Rojo and Cojocaru make a very young and charming pair of sisters. Cojocaru’s Olga is beautifully danced, but unfortunately there wasn’t much sense of connection or involvement with her fiancé Lensky. This wasn’t down to any technical failings on Steifel’s part – her partnered her with great consideration, but somehow their relationship didn’t quite seem credible. His jealousy of her flirting with Onegin looked like a contrivance of the plot rather than wholly natural. These dancers haven’t appeared as a couple before. Lensky’s solo before the duel was very beautifully danced by Steifel, but the emotion didn’t project to where I was (front of amphitheatre – I suspect this performance may have been much more involving from stalls and stalls circle).

Overall, this is an attractive acquisition by the Royal, and Cranko’s choreography seems close enough to their own roots to present few stylistic problems. There are some really plum leading roles here – the corps don’t get much to do, other than decorate the stage nicely. There are more interesting casts to come, but the blinding obvious conclusion from this viewing is what a Tatiana Sylvie Guillem could make, and what a pity it is we shan’t see it.


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  Subject     Author     Message Date     ID  
  RE: Onegin, ROH, 22/11/01 review Tomoko.A 23-11-01 1
     RE: Onegin, ROH, 22/11/01 review sylvia 23-11-01 2
         RE: Onegin, ROH, 22/11/01 review Tomoko.A 23-11-01 3
     RE: Onegin, ROH, 22/11/01 review Kevin Ng 24-11-01 7
  RE: Onegin, ROH, 22/11/01 review Bruceadmin 23-11-01 4
     RE: Onegin, ROH, 22/11/01 review sylvia 23-11-01 5
  RE: Onegin, ROH, 22/11/01 review Hermione 24-11-01 6
     RE: Onegin, ROH, 22/11/01 review Michael 24-11-01 8
         RE: Onegin, ROH, 22/11/01 review Paul A 26-11-01 9
             RE: Onegin - a question Anneliese 26-11-01 10
                 RE: Onegin - a question Ann Welsh 26-11-01 11
                     RE: Onegin - a question Anneliese 26-11-01 12
                         RE: Onegin - a question sylvia 26-11-01 13
                             RE: Onegin - a question Kate R 26-11-01 14
                             RE: Onegin - a question Anneliese 26-11-01 15
                             RE: Onegin - a question eugene merrett 26-11-01 16
                             RE: Onegin - a question Shirley 26-11-01 17
                             RE: Onegin - a question Jane S 26-11-01 18
                             RE: Onegin - a question Tomoko.A 26-11-01 19
                             RE: Onegin - a question Anneliese 27-11-01 21
                             RE: Onegin - a question alison 27-11-01 24
                             RE: Onegin - a question and Olga's age tortie14 27-11-01 20
                             RE: Onegin - a question and Olga's age sylvia 27-11-01 23
             RE: Onegin, ROH, 22/11/01 review Sonja G 27-11-01 22
  RE: Onegin, ROH, 22/11/01 review Bruceadmin 28-11-01 25

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Tomoko.A

23-11-01, 05:30 PM (GMT)
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1. "RE: Onegin, ROH, 22/11/01 review"
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   I think Cojocaru and Stiefel danced together in the Neumeier's Giselle in Hamburg this year. But it was for a gala and they danced act 2 only. He was supposed to dance with Alina in Giselle in Covent Garden next year, but somehow, he is now paired with Benjamin.


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sylvia

23-11-01, 06:12 PM (GMT)
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2. "RE: Onegin, ROH, 22/11/01 review"
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   Wow, Tomoko I didn't know Cojocaru and Stiefel were supposed to dance together - I would have loved to see that.


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Tomoko.A

23-11-01, 10:06 PM (GMT)
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3. "RE: Onegin, ROH, 22/11/01 review"
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   Sylvia, he said so in an interview I read and I was looking forward to seeing them together in Giselle.


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Kevin Ng

24-11-01, 02:31 AM (GMT)
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7. "RE: Onegin, ROH, 22/11/01 review"
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   >I think Cojocaru and Stiefel danced
>together in the Neumeier's Giselle
>in Hamburg this year. But
>it was for a gala
>and they danced act 2
>only. He was supposed to

Yes, it was in July this year.


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Bruceadmin

23-11-01, 10:38 PM (GMT)
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4. "RE: Onegin, ROH, 22/11/01 review"
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We are conentrating our Onegin discusions in this thread at the moment. However an earlier thread has many comments. You can find it here:
http://www.danze.co.uk/dcforum/happening/2293.html

(I wish we had the ability to merge threads but unfortunately we don't)


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sylvia

23-11-01, 11:34 PM (GMT)
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5. "RE: Onegin, ROH, 22/11/01 review"
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   Continuing rom previous thread...

> totally agree about Olga looking younger
> (programme said she is supposed to be older).

> I thought her softer and more radiant presence was wrong
> against Rojo's much stronger more sophisticated looking Tatiana

I mentioned before that Rojo's mannerisms made her seem very young. And I thought that Cojocaru's flirtatious nature made her appear older and certainly more experienced with men than Tatiana. But I do agree from a physical perspective that Rojo as the younger sister - or that they were sisters at all - was unconvincing. They look as different as night and day.

I'm more than curious to see how Alina dances Tatiana - reviews please! I'm looking forward to seeing her myself next week.


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Hermione

24-11-01, 00:08 AM (GMT)
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6. "RE: Onegin, ROH, 22/11/01 review"
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   >There are more interesting casts
>to come, but the blinding
>obvious conclusion from this viewing
>is what a Tatiana Sylvie
>Guillem could make, and what
>a pity it is we
>shan’t see it.

Does anybody here share the same feeling with me that Sarah Wildor could be a Tatiana of Seymour's quality?
I had this strong feeling of regret as I watched the ballet last night because, wonderful as Tamara Rojo was last night, I couldn't help but musing what a delight it would be to see Sarah Wildor as Tatiana!


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Michael

24-11-01, 03:34 AM (GMT)
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8. "RE: Onegin, ROH, 22/11/01 review"
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   I went further back and thought of Dowell, Jeffries, Wall, Sibley, Collier, Penney. I think Sylvie is just too sophisticated and mature in outlook to be a "right" Tatiana. Seymour and Makarova could convey the innocence in Act I which I don't believe would come easily to Sylvie. I am also not sure about Sarah - I would cast her as Olga as she is such a glorious flirt. It is so wonderful to have this fabulous ballet at last. the audience responded with tremendous excitement to the cast, who are already outstanding and can only get better. Some nerves from Adam were hardly a surprise, the partnering alone must be terrifying. By the end of Act II they were searing.


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Paul A

26-11-01, 08:24 AM (GMT)
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9. "RE: Onegin, ROH, 22/11/01 review"
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   On another thread somebody asked about the music: there was an LP from EMI of highlights EMX 412 0801, Sydney SO conducted by Lanchberry, issued in 1977. Not sure whether this ever made it on to CD.


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Anneliese

26-11-01, 11:26 AM (GMT)
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10. "RE: Onegin - a question"
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   Can anyone tell me what time the performance finishes?


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Ann Welsh

26-11-01, 12:04 PM (GMT)
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11. "RE: Onegin - a question"
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   Approx. running time 2 hrs 40 mins according to ROH.


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Anneliese

26-11-01, 12:32 PM (GMT)
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12. "RE: Onegin - a question"
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   Exclusive of intervals I assume? Wondering about taking the train back, that's all. If I'm out before 10.30 I could do it.


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sylvia

26-11-01, 01:17 PM (GMT)
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13. "RE: Onegin - a question"
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   Including intervals if I remember - Onegin actually didn't feel very long. I'm pretty sure we got about by 10:30.


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Kate R

26-11-01, 01:53 PM (GMT)
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14. "RE: Onegin - a question"
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   It finished at 10.00 pm on the first night.


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Anneliese

26-11-01, 02:55 PM (GMT)
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15. "RE: Onegin - a question"
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   Thanks very much. That will save me significant effort and allow me to have a drink! (It's OK if I fall asleep on the train, I live at the end of the line, it's less good if I fall asleep at the wheel...)


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eugene merrett

26-11-01, 04:39 PM (GMT)
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16. "RE: Onegin - a question"
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   Well I have yet to see Onegin (will see it Dec 4) but the critics are simply over moom with it. Ismene Brown in particular thought it was incredible!

Already Ross Stretton has perhaps given more the RB in the first 3 months of his term in office then Dowell has done in over a decade.

We get from Stretton - Onegin
We get from Dowell - Mr Worldly Wise

Need I say more?


Way to go, Ross!!!!


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Shirley

26-11-01, 05:03 PM (GMT)
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17. "RE: Onegin - a question"
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   Although the reviews for Onegin have been pretty good they are not outstanding nor would I say 'they were over the moon'. Three reviews I read couldn't even get the ages of the sisters right - all said Tatiana was the older sister although it is supposed to be Olga!

I enjoyed it but it definately wasn't the 3 hankie weepie I was expecting!

You may say 'Way to go, Ross!!!!' but one swallow doesn't make a summer.


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Jane S

26-11-01, 09:29 PM (GMT)
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18. "RE: Onegin - a question"
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   Before reading this thread I'd never heard of the idea that Olga is older than Tatiana - can someone tell me where they've seen it? Pushkin certainly says Tatiana is older, and it has always been played like that when I've seen it before.


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Tomoko.A

26-11-01, 11:15 PM (GMT)
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19. "RE: Onegin - a question"
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   I agree with Jane. As far as Pushkin is concerned, Tatiana is older than Olga. (And Olga is prettier than Tatiana, well, at least when Onegin first met them !)


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Anneliese

27-11-01, 09:59 AM (GMT)
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21. "RE: Onegin - a question"
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   I've only seen the opera, not read the entire poem, but as I understood it Tatiana was the elder sister. I would have picked Leanne Benjamin as the obvious choice for Tatiana from the current crop of principals - I'm amazed that she hasn't done anything this season.


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alison

27-11-01, 05:36 PM (GMT)
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24. "RE: Onegin - a question"
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   Well, she has apparently been injured ... but yes, I'd have loved to have seen her in it as well - she was one of the obvious choices, as far as I was concerned.


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tortie14

27-11-01, 00:37 AM (GMT)
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20. "RE: Onegin - a question and Olga's age"
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   LAST EDITED ON 27-11-01 AT 00:39 AM (GMT)

I would say "There is still a long way to go Ross" lets have some decent Ashton and regular MacMillan in the rep and then we can start getting excited. I too think we need a lot more swallows...

Sorry I think I might have created confusion on the Olga age thing - not being up on Pushkin - just assumed as she was engaged (too much Austen) and the programme notes talked about Tatiana being youthful.

I'd have loved to see Wildor and Benjamin have a go at the two girls roles.


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sylvia

27-11-01, 04:27 PM (GMT)
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23. "RE: Onegin - a question and Olga's age"
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   I asked around on balletalert and they did confirm that while Olga is the older sister in the ABT notes, Pushkin has Tatiana as the older sister. Is that how Cranko intended it?

I'd have loved to see Wildor and Benjamin as the sisters and it would have been something to have Cope in there as well. Oh well, disappointed but can't really complain - I'm really looking forward to hearing how Cojocaru does tonight.


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Sonja G

27-11-01, 12:31 PM (GMT)
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22. "RE: Onegin, ROH, 22/11/01 review"
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   There is a double CD by Stuttgart Ballet (I guess this was discussed in a very early thread about Onegin) that contains most of the music (if not all) plus an informative booklet with colour shots of the Stuttgart production. Released... about 2 years ago, or so...


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Bruceadmin

28-11-01, 02:13 PM (GMT)
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25. "RE: Onegin, ROH, 22/11/01 review"
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   Now a long thread suggest we now contine on a new one... this one looks as good as any:
http://www.danze.co.uk/dcforum/happening/2307.html


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