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Anneliese

14-08-99, 10:27 PM (GMT)
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   Did anyone hear "Front Row" last night? They were discussing a potential advantage of digital tv for arts programmes - it was postulated that you could have 4 channels each with a different camera angle or policy for a performance so that you could choose when you wanted a front-on proscenium arch whole stage shot, when you wanted closeups, when you wanted to follow the follow spot, etc. An ex-dancer and dance TV producer (whose name I didn't catch) was appalled by this - he felt that it was doing a disservice to art and could end up not showing the work that its creator intended - in short that this type of camera selection was more appropriate to sport. One of the other programme contributors got very annoyed by this, saying why shouldn't he be allowed to choose how he should watch a performance?

I can see both sides of this argument - I do sometimes get annoyed by camera angles when watching dance when I'm trying to catch some background detail and the TV follows the soloists. However, I do think that in general experienced producers will get it right most of the time. And in any case, how would you video such a televised performance? You'd need to tape all 4 channels and then edit them together!

Does anyone else have any views on this topic?


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  Subject     Author     Message Date     ID  
  RE: Digital TV Eugene 15-08-99 1
     RE: Digital TV jonathan 16-08-99 2
         RE: Digital TV Eugene 16-08-99 3
             RE: Digital TV alison 16-08-99 4
                 RE: Digital TV Anneliese 16-08-99 5
                     RE: Digital TV Ann Williams 17-08-99 6
                         RE: Digital TV Jane 17-08-99 7
                             RE: Digital TV Anneliese 17-08-99 8
                             RE: Digital TV p.s.stammers 23-08-99 9
                             RE: Digital TV Ann Williams 23-08-99 10
                             RE: Digital TV Jane 23-08-99 11

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Eugene

15-08-99, 12:48 PM (GMT)
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1. "RE: Digital TV"
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   Interesting but I cannot really see viewers changing camera views continuosly when watching dance. I would be reluctant to do it because I would be scared of missing out on some of the nuances of the dance. At least the director has some idea of the more interesting aspects and bring it to our attention. Remeber we only have on shot at seeing it and there would be no time to seriously evaluate what camera angles to choose.

Perhaps the options could be basic ie. Camera one - full view of all the stage Camera 2 full close up view of soloist. Camera 3 "directors choice". To much choice will be confusing.


But I do do see this happening in dance - the market is too small to justify the cost.

The real break through for dance on TV is when it is possible to receive good quality pictures via the internet (and internet is in every house). This would mean that dance TV does not have to go through expensive satelite broadcasting which requries high audience figures to recoup the fixed costs. If it can be accessed via the internet then broadcast cost are far lower and hence a much lower audience ratings is required for break-even to be reached!


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jonathan

16-08-99, 06:44 AM (GMT)
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2. "RE: Digital TV"
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   And dancers could set up and dance in front of web cams in their living rooms instead of dancing in an old fashioned company....

God forbid. It'll be a sad world where people sit at home alone deciding which camera angle to have instead of going to a real theatre.


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Eugene

16-08-99, 12:30 PM (GMT)
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   I could see that happening - the big names would have exclusive internet shows. Also new choreographers show their wares. It could be used to float new works before staged perfromances (is this not what Dance bite does!).


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alison

16-08-99, 01:21 PM (GMT)
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4. "RE: Digital TV"
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   Well, I could certainly have done with the facility on Saturday for "European Young Dancer"! It seemed sometimes that the cameras were rather more interested of shots of the stage and (non-existent) backdrop than of the dancers!


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Anneliese

16-08-99, 04:55 PM (GMT)
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   I thought that the camera work was OK for "young Dancer". I'm surprised that this is the first time it's been mentioned on this site, though! I was backing the German couple - really mature dancing, I thought. The young Spaniard had fantastic technique and should walk into a job, no trouble, and the Swede was a nice dancer, too. The other female finalists I didn't really rate - the Finn and the Belgian (or was he dutch?) who did "Sylphide" were both pretty good, though. And the Austrian who did that weird number to Paganini. What did anyone else think? Apart from the top 3, I reckon that our girl could have held her own with any of the women.


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Ann Williams

17-08-99, 11:29 AM (GMT)
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6. "RE: Digital TV"
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Anneliese -

I thought roughly the same as you about the Young Dancers competition. I especially thought the Spanish girl was fantastic. I missed the very beginning, so didn't see 'our' girl do her solo from Bayadere. From the Matthew Hart piece, though, she looked pretty good. Does anyone know how she got picked to represent the UK?


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Jane

17-08-99, 12:00 PM (GMT)
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7. "RE: Digital TV"
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   I thought the whole programme showed how these things can be won and lost with the choice of what to dance. I had the impression of rows of shy, introverted girls trying to be Kitri or to do hot sexy numbers to show their 'versatility' when they'd have shown up far better doing something actually in their range.

Ann, they didn't actually show Lara Glew doing her classical solo, a real pity I thought. Right at the beginning there was a shot of her at the audition stage and she had a lovely soft quality that never appeared again in the whole programme.


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Anneliese

17-08-99, 03:36 PM (GMT)
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   Yes, I thought that a number of these dancers were very ill-advised in their choice of repertoire. I have never been a brilliant instrumentalist but I won a few competitions because I knew how to choose and put across a programme! It's just plain daft to push someone into Kitri's variation at 15 - those girls just didn't have the strength to go with their suppleness. And whoever it was who did Aurora's variation was similarly ill-advised! I thought that Lara Glew came across as having a lot of personality and musicality, but I'd have liked to see her classical solo too. Although it was an hour and a half's programme, we saw frustratingly little of most of the dancers!


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p.s.stammers

23-08-99, 03:46 PM (GMT)
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9. "RE: Digital TV"
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   I was disappointed with the European Young Dancer programme as a whole. The length of solos and variations was unfair to the viewers trying to make a decision. I did not work out that the classical solo was part of the final. It was refered to but never explained. I vidoed the programme, but was so disappointed I have videoed over it since.
The competion was open to all types of dancers according to the introduction, but all the semi finalists were classical or modern ballet.
I felt the Matthew Hart solo was not the right style for Lara Glew, in comparison to the small section we saw of her at the British final. Come on BBC why did we not see the British final as we do for Young Musican of the Year? I know I need to E-mail the beeb about it but I was away last week.


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Ann Williams

23-08-99, 06:19 PM (GMT)
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10. "RE: Digital TV"
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   But no-one has yet answered my earlier query - how was Laura Glew selected to represent the UK in this competition? Did she just put herself forward, or did she have to pass some RAD test? (This does not mean at all that I didn't find her a worthy competitor, it's just that I'm curious).


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Jane

23-08-99, 06:24 PM (GMT)
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11. "RE: Digital TV"
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   Ann, there was a bit at the beginning of the programme about the selection process - there was a jury of 3 (Graham Fletcher - ex RB - was one of them, can't remember the others without going and looking at the tape) who chose from the possible candidates; but how Lara Glew got to that stage, it didn't say and I don't know.


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