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Ann Williams

28-10-01, 04:52 PM (GMT)
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"It's the boys' turn now......"
 
   LAST EDITED ON 28-10-01 AT 04:54 PM (GMT)

As you may have guessed the next poll will be along the lines 'which male role would you most like to dance?', so please, can we have some ideas for favoured male roles?

Remember, this doesn't just cover ballet, so if you want to nominate any Riverdance-type roles (that you can name) heck, just go for it (on this thread).


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  RE: It's the boys' turn now...... Robert 28-10-01 1
  RE: It's the boys' turn now...... Caz 29-10-01 2
     RE: It's the boys' turn now...... Jim 29-10-01 3
         RE: It's the boys' turn now...... Pete 29-10-01 4
             RE: It's the boys' turn now...... pmeja 29-10-01 5
             RE: It's the boys' turn now...... Caz 29-10-01 6
                 RE: It's the boys' turn now...... Paul A 29-10-01 7
                     RE: It's the boys' turn now...... Ann 29-10-01 8
                         RE: It's the boys' turn now...... Viviane 29-10-01 9
                             RE: It's the boys' turn now...... sylvia 29-10-01 10
                             RE: It's the boys' turn now...... Jane S 29-10-01 11
                             RE: It's the boys' turn now...... Robert 29-10-01 12
                             RE: It's the boys' turn now...... Fiore 29-10-01 13
                             RE: It's the boys' turn now...... lara 29-10-01 14
  RE: It's the boys' turn now...... Beckymonster 29-10-01 15
     RE: It's the boys' turn now...... Nigel 29-10-01 16
         RE: It's the boys' turn now...... Jim 29-10-01 17
     RE: It's the boys' turn now...... Bruce Madmin 30-10-01 21
  RE: It's the boys' turn now...... Caz 30-10-01 18
     RE: It's the boys' turn now...... ClaireS 30-10-01 19
         RE: It's the boys' turn now...... Helen 30-10-01 20
  RE: It's the boys' turn now...... Sonja G 30-10-01 22
     RE: It's the boys' turn now...... Robert 31-10-01 23
         RE: It's the boys' turn now...... Helen 31-10-01 24
             RE: It's the boys' turn now...... Brendan 31-10-01 25
                 RE: It's the boys' turn now...... Robert 31-10-01 26
                     RE: It's the boys' turn now...... lara 31-10-01 27
                     RE: It's the boys' turn now...... Kristofferson 31-10-01 28
                         RE: It's the boys' turn now...... lara 01-11-01 29
                             RE: It's the boys' turn now...... Paul A 01-11-01 30
                             RE: It's the boys' turn now...... Nigel 01-11-01 31
                             RE: It's the boys' turn now...... Jane S 01-11-01 32
                             RE: It's the boys' turn now...... Paul A 01-11-01 33

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Robert

28-10-01, 07:06 PM (GMT)
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1. "RE: It's the boys' turn now......"
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   Anne
Beware! Someone may suggest the Michael Clark role from his latest show. Masturbating in public for an Arts Council grant might appeal to some.


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Caz

29-10-01, 00:22 AM (GMT)
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2. "RE: It's the boys' turn now......"
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   Is this poll for the boys only or are girlies allowed to vote for a role they would like to dance if they were male?


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Jim

29-10-01, 00:38 AM (GMT)
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3. "RE: It's the boys' turn now......"
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   I think I'd dance anything so long as it was with Sylvie. But then I think I'd be much too nervous... Leanne would be a nice partner, I think, or Fiona Chadwick. My role would have to be Jamie in La Sylphide, at least then I'd get to hold a Sylphe in my arms (and I'd leave her wings alone).


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Pete

29-10-01, 01:58 AM (GMT)
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4. "RE: It's the boys' turn now......"
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   >I think I'd dance anything so
>long as it was with
>Sylvie.

How about the Birdie Song Jim?

Obvious choices would be....
Romeo
Des Grieux
Prince Siegfried
Blue Bird

and maybe Spartacus

I'd also love to have a crack at Le Spectre de la rose, and also a humorous & meaty character part like Widow Simone or Don Quixote...

Caz, I voted for Aurora as my favoured role if I had the op, so it'd be interesting to know you girlies favourites too


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pmeja

29-10-01, 06:57 AM (GMT)
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5. "RE: It's the boys' turn now......"
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   basilio
albrecht
jean de brienne


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Caz

29-10-01, 10:17 AM (GMT)
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6. "RE: It's the boys' turn now......"
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   >Caz, I voted for Aurora as
>my favoured role if I
>had the op, so it'd
>be interesting to know you
>girlies favourites too

In that case can we have Le Spectre de la Rose on the list please?



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Paul A

29-10-01, 11:45 AM (GMT)
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7. "RE: It's the boys' turn now......"
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   Spartacus
Onegin
Basilio
Lead in Gloria
Rudolf

- and probably something less effortful!


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Ann

29-10-01, 12:12 PM (GMT)
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8. "RE: It's the boys' turn now......"
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   Caz -
Of course the girlies are allowed. I'm going for Apollo myself.


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Viviane

29-10-01, 12:33 PM (GMT)
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9. "RE: It's the boys' turn now......"
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   Well, I'll go for James in 'La Sylphide', because I feel at ease in a skirt ...and I prefer the solo in act I !
This part keeps amazing me.
And...who knows, maybe I will -finally- understand why -at the time when 'La Sylphide' was created- one talked about Scotland as being "EXOTIC" !



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sylvia

29-10-01, 12:56 PM (GMT)
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10. "RE: It's the boys' turn now......"
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   Oberon for sure, and Puck even more so.

Prince Rudolf running a close third

And I guess the usual suspects
Albrecht
Prince Siegfried
Romeo


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Jane S

29-10-01, 01:13 PM (GMT)
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11. "RE: It's the boys' turn now......"
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   Maybe to go with the current poll we should stick to full-length roles for this one, and do a matching pair of one-acters later?

I'm surprised no-one has yet suggested Matthew Bourne's Swan!


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Robert

29-10-01, 05:11 PM (GMT)
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12. "RE: It's the boys' turn now......"
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   A few suggestions
1. I would have really liked to take the place of Valentin le Desosse. He danced the Can Can at the Moulin Rouge in the 1880’s and is featured in the Lautrec posters with La Goulue.
2. The Rake in the Rake’s Progress choreography by Madam.
3.One of the two dancers in the Popular Song, part of Façade by Ashton
4 Widow Simone in Fille.

Its all wishfull thinking. I’m past it!


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Fiore

29-10-01, 05:21 PM (GMT)
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13. "RE: It's the boys' turn now......"
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   It would have to be basilio for me Simply a beautiful role full of passion.


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lara

29-10-01, 06:03 PM (GMT)
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14. "RE: It's the boys' turn now......"
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   Prince Rudolf for me and Bourne's Swan. Yep, those would do me just dandy! And maybe Spartacus.


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Beckymonster

29-10-01, 06:16 PM (GMT)
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15. "RE: It's the boys' turn now......"
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   This is a bit moot for me but I'll chuck my tuppence into the hat...

This is my first posting, and as someone whose knowledge of dance/ballet is limited to two AMP productions and two classic Ballet productions (ENBs Romeo & Juliet and RB Swan Lake) I beg forgiveness and compassion...

For me,I would nominate...
- The Swan/Stranger from AMP's version of Swan Lake... the idea of playing/dancing two very disparate, beautiful roles is very appealing.

- The Prince from AMP's Swan Lake. The Swan may get all the 'glory' but if you don't feel for the Prince, you miss the whole point of this wonderful production.

- Angelo from 'The Car Man'. I saw Will Kemp dance this role last December (my first ever time at a dance production!) and he dang well broke my heart!! Hurry up Channel 4 - tell us when you're showing it!

I'm afraid that my knowledge of Ballet roles is minimal, so I'm going to refrain from commenting on the more classical roles - though I am tutoring myself (Nutcracker in December and hopefully Onegin in either December or January!)

So, they're my recommendations - ask me again next year... I might have some classics in there too

Becky


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Nigel

29-10-01, 07:11 PM (GMT)
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16. "RE: It's the boys' turn now......"
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   How about Petrushka (or Petrouchka if you prefer)? And from the photos Icare (Lifar) looks like one helluva part too.


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Jim

29-10-01, 08:28 PM (GMT)
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17. "RE: It's the boys' turn now......"
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   >How about Petrushka (or Petrouchka if you prefer)? And from the
>photos Icare (Lifar) looks like one helluva part too.

Hey, Nigel, you've just set my brains (and things) into over-drive. How about L'Après midi d'un faun? Just imagine those nymphs and naiads! "The Faun, now sad at her departure, picks up the scarf and holds it to himself longingly; he caresses it tenderley, imagining it to be the nymph he has frightened away. He returns contentedly, dreaming of the nymphs, and that he has possessed the most beautiful of them all".

I think I could handle that.



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Bruce Madmin

30-10-01, 01:09 PM (GMT)
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21. "RE: It's the boys' turn now......"
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   >This is my first posting, and
>as someone whose knowledge of
>dance/ballet is limited to two
>AMP productions and two classic
>Ballet productions (ENBs Romeo &
>Juliet and RB Swan Lake)
>I beg forgiveness and compassion...

A big welcome and thanks for contributing - its a great thing to do and I hope you do more... and see lots more ballet and dance also!

Worth mentioning that rather less then 1% of the people that read these pages actually post on them and I'd encourage everybody to add there thoughts to threads or start new ones if you have a burning question or thought... over to you in the 99%!


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Caz

30-10-01, 00:48 AM (GMT)
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18. "RE: It's the boys' turn now......"
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   >Remember, this doesn't just cover ballet,
>so if you want to
>nominate any Riverdance-type roles (that
>you can name) heck, just
>go for it (on this
>thread).

Not fair! The girlies roles were all classical. Why'd the boys get all the fun?



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ClaireS

30-10-01, 11:27 AM (GMT)
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19. "RE: It's the boys' turn now......"
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   Rudolf (by a mile - how often is the male the central character?)
Albrecht
Colas
Romeo

And Becky - welcome to Ballet.co.uk. Please don't apologise for your lack of ballet knowledge - many of here are simply fans who love to watch dance without any techical expertise. I hope you enjoy your next visits to the ballet - I am always excited when hear about new fans because it's a sign that the artform is very much alive and appealing to new people all the time. Watch out for Don Quixote on TV at Christmas too (oh, and The Car MAn!)


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Helen

30-10-01, 12:30 PM (GMT)
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20. "RE: It's the boys' turn now......"
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   When I was learning ballet as a child, I sometimes had to do the boy's part in shows, because I was tall and, as ever, there weren't enough boys. I HATED doing them, because even if I was tall I didn't feel a bit like a boy!

But if I had to, I'd like to dance Albrecht. I'd like doing that entrance with the lilies in Act 2. And there's lots of acting.


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Sonja G

30-10-01, 05:45 PM (GMT)
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22. "RE: It's the boys' turn now......"
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   Really surprised I haven't found ARMAND from Neumeier's "Lady of the camellias" so far - maybe because it's not that well known? Much as I'd dream of Marguerite as a role, Armand in this full-length ballet seems even more interesting to me - also one role where you can develop a character a lot!


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Robert

31-10-01, 05:52 PM (GMT)
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23. "RE: It's the boys' turn now......"
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   The boys have been swamped by eager girls. No men admitted to wanting to dance women's roles, even if the Trocks set such a good example.


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Helen

31-10-01, 06:11 PM (GMT)
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24. "RE: It's the boys' turn now......"
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   Didn't Anthony Dowell say in a documentary that he wouldn't have minded being a ballerina? I think he said it was because he would have liked a break from all that lifting.


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Brendan

31-10-01, 06:56 PM (GMT)
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25. "RE: It's the boys' turn now......"
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   Dowell did say that. So, I think, did Derek Deane. And it was more than just a playful answer - he meant that most women's roles were technically and dramatically more interesting than men's, at least until the twentieth century.

Viewed in this sense you can almost begin to see why some dancers might choose to join the Trocks. While their decision may have a gay context, there is the technical/dramatic aspect as well.

From a feminist perspective it might be argued that not only are most artistic directors and choreographers men, but also that men are making inroads on women's roles as well. Think of Matthew Bourne's Swan Lake, Bejart's Bolero.......


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Robert

31-10-01, 07:16 PM (GMT)
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26. "RE: It's the boys' turn now......"
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   If women,s roles are so much better, why do so many girlies want to dance men's roles?
Incidentally at the turn of the century most of the men's roles were danced by women, without the lifts.


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lara

31-10-01, 07:53 PM (GMT)
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27. "RE: It's the boys' turn now......"
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   I would rather dance a man's role than woman's simply because I like the power of the jumps and turns better than the fussy little ballerina steps.

I mean I like being a girl (girlie to Robert) and all, but if I had a choice to come back in another life as a male dancer or female I would rather be a guy. Look at the wonderful piece Remanso for three men. Wow, what a great piece of choreography!

I also prefer watching men dance more than women...but that could be a girl thing.


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Kristofferson

31-10-01, 07:55 PM (GMT)
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28. "RE: It's the boys' turn now......"
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   > The boys have been swamped by eager girls. No men admitted to
> wanting to dance women's roles, even if the Trocks set such a
> good example.

I'm glad someone picked up this point. Only to be expected, of course, in this increasingly matriarchal age when women just don't seem to be happy unless they are in control. And are they even then really happy?


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lara

01-11-01, 07:21 AM (GMT)
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29. "RE: It's the boys' turn now......"
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   >> The boys have been swamped by eager girls. No men admitted to
>> wanting to dance women's roles, even if the Trocks set such a
>> good example.
>
>I'm glad someone picked up this
>point. Only to be expected,
>of course, in this increasingly
>matriarchal age when women just
>don't seem to be happy
>unless they are in control.
>And are they even then
>really happy?

Ker THUD! The sound of an interesting thread slamming to a halt!



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Paul A

01-11-01, 08:41 AM (GMT)
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30. "RE: It's the boys' turn now......"
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   Some other suggestions to set the thread off again.

Bejart's Bolero
Rothbart
Red Knight
The Ashton solo whose name escapes me - created to Liszt for Nureyev's debut in London
The joker in Card Game


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Nigel

01-11-01, 09:03 AM (GMT)
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31. "RE: It's the boys' turn now......"
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   Hi Paul - good to see this thread back on track... I think the Ashton/Liszt ballet was called Marguerite and Armand.


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Jane S

01-11-01, 09:28 AM (GMT)
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32. "RE: It's the boys' turn now......"
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   I think Paul may be thinking of Poeme Tragique, which Ashton made for Nureyev's first London appearance, at one of Fonteyn's RAD matinee galas. The music was actually by Scriabin. (I was there!)


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Paul A

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   Jane thank-you - my short term memory is askew! I saw this with Mukhamedov in the Nureyev memorial gala - lots of swirling, billowing cloaks (which I guess takes us back to Helen's Albrecht posting) and a lunge down to the footlights, not quite toppling into the pit - a tremendous memory - and what it must be to perform!


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