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Andrew

20-09-01, 04:25 PM (GMT)
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"Onegin"
 
   Does anyone have any ideas as to whom may be/should be dancing the lead roles in Onegin and a date as to when we may be told? I know nothing about this ballet and am looking forward to attending but would prefer to see someone I like in the role rather than going pot luck or is the ballet so good that it would not make much difference?

Thank you


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  RE: Onegin Jane S 28-09-01 1
     RE: Onegin Fuzzyface 11-10-01 2
         RE: Onegin Amy 11-10-01 3
             RE: Onegin jAYNE 12-10-01 4
             RE: Onegin jAYNE 12-10-01 5
                 RE: Onegin Amy 12-10-01 6
                     RE: Onegin Fuzzyface 12-10-01 7
                         RE: Onegin Amy 12-10-01 8
                             RE: Onegin Jason 12-10-01 9
                             RE: Onegin Toeshoe 12-10-01 10
                             RE: Onegin Amy 12-10-01 16
                             RE: Onegin alexandra 12-10-01 11
                             RE: Onegin lara 12-10-01 12
                             RE: Onegin Fuzzyface 12-10-01 13
                             RE: Onegin sylvia 12-10-01 14
                             RE: Onegin Ronnie 12-10-01 15
                             RE: Onegin Maxime 13-10-01 17
                             RE: Onegin James 13-10-01 18
                             RE: Onegin Janine 13-10-01 19
                             RE: Onegin Jason 13-10-01 20
                             RE: Onegin kate 14-10-01 21
                             RE: Onegin Anneliese 14-10-01 22
                             RE: Onegin kate 14-10-01 23
                             RE: Onegin Shirley 14-10-01 24
                             RE: Onegin kate 15-10-01 25
                             RE: Onegin Amy 15-10-01 26
                             RE: Onegin alexandra 15-10-01 27
                             RE: Onegin Angela 15-10-01 28
                             RE: Onegin lara 15-10-01 32
                             RE: Onegin alison 15-10-01 33
                             RE: Onegin alison 15-10-01 31
                             RE: Onegin alison 15-10-01 30
                             RE: Onegin alison 15-10-01 29
                             RE: Onegin - casting at last! Fuzzyface 16-10-01 34
                             RE: Onegin - casting at last! Anneliese 16-10-01 35
                             RE: Onegin - casting at last! Fuzzyface 16-10-01 39
                             RE: Onegin - casting at last! Sonia 16-10-01 41
                             RE: Onegin - casting at last! Bond emma 16-10-01 36
                             RE: Onegin - casting at last! Bond Helen 16-10-01 37
                             RE: Onegin - casting at last! Bond Tim Powell 16-10-01 40
                             RE: Onegin - casting at last! sylvia 16-10-01 38
                             Thread Closed... Bruce Madmin 16-10-01 42

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Jane S

28-09-01, 04:10 PM (GMT)
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1. "RE: Onegin"
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   Is there perhaps a clue to at least one piece of casting in today's interview with Sarah Wildor?

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/0,,62-2001334415,00.html


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Fuzzyface

11-10-01, 05:01 PM (GMT)
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2. "RE: Onegin"
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   The rumours I hear from my ROH mole is that Rojo and Cojocaru are both rehearsing for "Onegin". By instinct, I would have thought that Rojo must be dancing Tatiana, and Cojocaru would be dancing Olga. I have no other details of casting yet, but if I get any more, I will let you all know.


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Amy

11-10-01, 10:01 PM (GMT)
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3. "RE: Onegin"
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   Alina Cojocaru is to dance both roles (though not at the same time), Ivan Putrov will dance Lensky. Also I think Adam Cooper is likely to be doing Onegin himself and Tamara Rojo will almost certainly be a Tatiana.


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jAYNE

12-10-01, 10:42 AM (GMT)
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4. "RE: Onegin"
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   WE NEED DATES AS I FOR ONE DO NOT WANT TO BOOK FOE COJOCARU
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jAYNE

12-10-01, 10:43 AM (GMT)
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5. "RE: Onegin"
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   WE NEED DATES AS I FOR ONE DO NOT WANT TO BOOK FOR COJOCARU
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Amy

12-10-01, 11:26 AM (GMT)
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6. "RE: Onegin"
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   I don't really want to see her either, not as Tatiana.

Reid Anderson has been rehearsing the dancers at CG this week and I think the casting is coming together now, so we could maybe hope for an announcment next week.


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Fuzzyface

12-10-01, 11:34 AM (GMT)
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7. "RE: Onegin"
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   Yes, Alina is far too young for Tatiana. I've only ever seen "mature" dancers in the role, but the RB is rather lacking in those at the moment. I would like to see someone like Gillian Revie or Zenaida Yanowsky in the role, but how likely is that to happen?


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Amy

12-10-01, 03:45 PM (GMT)
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8. "RE: Onegin"
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   Pigs might fly.


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Jason

12-10-01, 04:29 PM (GMT)
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9. "RE: Onegin"
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   I would suggest Muriel Valtat as the perfect Tatiana after seeing her Month in the Country, with little miss Cojocaru as Olga if they must use her, another good Tatiana would be Yanowsky, both Rojo and Cojocaru are not mature enough for this role, and I certainly will not pay good money to see them dance the leading roles in this ballet, as much as I love the ballet Onegin.


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Toeshoe

12-10-01, 04:33 PM (GMT)
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10. "RE: Onegin"
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   Jason How right you are, how do you feel about this Amy? and others out there?


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Amy

12-10-01, 09:23 PM (GMT)
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16. "RE: Onegin"
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   Personally I think Tamara Rojo will be a good Tatiana, the best in my mind, her acting and technical skills are far beyond those of Alina.


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alexandra

12-10-01, 04:36 PM (GMT)
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11. "RE: Onegin"
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   Could anyone explain me what kind of caractere are Olga and Tatania,as I've never seen this ballet nor red the book.

Many thanks.


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lara

12-10-01, 05:04 PM (GMT)
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12. "RE: Onegin"
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   >Could anyone explain me what kind
>of caractere are Olga and
>Tatania,as I've never seen this
>ballet nor red the book.
>
I just finished the video done by the National Ballet of Canada with Sabina Allemann as Tatiana and Frank Augustyn as Onegin. It was filmed in 1986.

On the back it says "In a well-kept garden you'll find the young and beautiful Tatiana, her head full of adolescent ideas of love and romance. Her dreams will be shattered by the cold and aloof Onegin, but her pain brings an understanding that, years later, will break Onegin's heart."

So Tatiana is a young characater and not a mature woman. Olga is her friend or sister, couldn't really tell which.

Augustyn was really great in this video. Not a huge jumper but all the other elements were splendid, technique and acting.

Interesting side note, one of the young corps dancers was New Yorker Nina Goldman, who is touring now with Car Man!

lara


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Fuzzyface

12-10-01, 05:19 PM (GMT)
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13. "RE: Onegin"
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   Tatiana is Olga's older sister. Tatiana is a young character at the beginning, but is more "mature" in the final act, which take splace several years later. Nearly all the dancers I have seen perform the role with LFB/ENB (Makarova, Haydee, Evdokimova, and best of all Seymour) were "older". The role was created on Haydee, who must have been in her late 20's when the ballet was new. Seymour was 50 when she first danced Tatiana!

Olga is usually played by a younger dancer. Trinidad Sevillano danced the role especially well with Seymour in the late 1980's.(Whatever happened to Trinidad? Does anyone know if she is still dancing?)

Onegin isn't a big dancing role for a man, but he has to have a charismatic "brooding" prescence. It would have been a perfect role for Irek.


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sylvia

12-10-01, 07:02 PM (GMT)
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14. "RE: Onegin"
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   The last thing I heard was that Trinidad Sevillano danced with Boston Ballet for a spell, 'disappeared' for a few years and resurfaced in Victor Ullate's company in Spain.

As for Onegin, I haven't seen the ballet, live nor on video. ABT's production used the more experienced dancers for the role of Tatiana, and from what I've read on the ballet notes a more experienced dancer might be better suited to her. Still I'm a bit curious to see if Cojocaru will be able to pull it off so I'll happily see her in both roles.


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Ronnie

12-10-01, 09:22 PM (GMT)
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15. "RE: Onegin"
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   Cojocaru is too young too imature, too precious, and too miss twinkle toes to dance Tatiana, why is she being made into a star when she has no sparkle, as a soloist she would be just ok. but to give her all the roles as to date it seem to be,is sheer lunacy,on the directors part.
Have all the first soloists plus Yanowsky been forgotten, she would be a marvellous Tatiana, also as someone Jason I believed mentioned Valtat, she proved her worth with her Month in the Country, of course Sarah and Adam would have brought the house down, but she has been let to slip through the fingers of the R.B.oh what a disapointing time we are all having with this new director, who cannot it seems tell his A from his E.


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Maxime

13-10-01, 12:24 PM (GMT)
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17. "RE: Onegin"
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   "what a disapointing time we are all having with this new director"
Ronnie....
Maybe you should wait to see how the company looks like on stage before saying such things...


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James

13-10-01, 03:20 PM (GMT)
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18. "RE: Onegin"
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   As the ballet's narrative spans several years, I cannot understand why the age of the dancer playing Tatiana should be of any particular relevance. A young dancer will have to age for the final act, and a maturer dancer will have to pretend to be younger in all the earlier scenes - particularly the balet's major set-piece, the scene in Tatiana's bedroom that equates to the "letter scene" in the Opera. Presumably, the tendancy has been to cast maturer dancers because the technical and acting skills are more developed. I for one, however, think that Alina Cojocaru is a very able actress indeed.


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Janine

13-10-01, 04:25 PM (GMT)
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19. "RE: Onegin"
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   I really cannot understand this discussion. First Alina is all wonderful news, now people complain that she is dancing far too much.
I have seen Onegin live on stage many times. It is an amazing ballet and Tatyana is indeed a very young girl in the beginning and a grown up woman (though still young) in the second act. When I heard that the RB will be performing Onegin I thought it was wonderful as they have so many dancers I would love to see performing the role of Tatyana, for example Leanne Benjamin, Miyako Yoshida or Tamara Rojo. And who knows, maybe Alina finds her way into the role, I am sure she will have lots of coaching and can well imagine her in the first act.
Sadly my ideal Tatyana obviously won't perform - Sarah Wildor, but that is another topic anyway.
I find it really fascinating how wound up some people get before the casting gets announced!
I will just wait and see and be ready for surpirses!


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Jason

13-10-01, 05:08 PM (GMT)
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20. "RE: Onegin"
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   >As the ballet's narrative spans several
>years, I cannot understand why
>the age of the dancer
>playing Tatiana should be of
>any particular relevance. A young
>dancer will have to age
>for the final act, and
>a maturer dancer will have
>to pretend to be younger
>in all the earlier scenes
>- particularly the balet's major
>set-piece, the scene in Tatiana's
>bedroom that equates to the
>"letter scene" in the Opera.
> Presumably, the tendancy has
>been to cast maturer dancers
>because the technical and acting
>skills are more developed.
>I for one, however, think
>that Alina Cojocaru is a
>very able actress indeed.

Actress indeed, Cojocaru does not know the meaning of the word, she never changes expression, she is not the correct dancer for Tatiana. also the way she is being used she will never be able to keep up the pace, burn out for certain, and why not use Yoshida and Benjamin, both exellent actress, and experianced dancers.


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kate

14-10-01, 03:35 AM (GMT)
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21. "RE: Onegin"
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   I think the reason why Cojocaru is not suitable for Tatiana even though she begins as a young girl is because Tatiana as a character is extremely complex even in her youth. She is bookish, mature for her age, shy, retiring, yet passionate. When Onegin rejects her, her humiliation and heartbreak is even more poignant, though subtler, than Giselle's madness. The dancer will have to bring that out completely so as to make the audience feel her transformation to the fullest extent. Don't forget, Marguerite in M & A is also supposed to be a young girl but after Fonteyn's rendering of the role, no one would think of casting an inexperienced dancer in the part. The same goes for Tatiana.


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Anneliese

14-10-01, 10:53 AM (GMT)
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22. "RE: Onegin"
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   Well, I've only seen Cojocaru in 3 things and she really touched me in all of these - I suspect that she can act. However, I think that Tatiana is not really a role for such a tiny, frail-looking dancer - more human (as opposed to ethereal, spiritual) presence is needed IMO. However, I'm pleased that you think that Miyako Yoshida can act - I'm fed up with hearing people say that she only has one expression.


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kate

14-10-01, 04:22 PM (GMT)
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23. "RE: Onegin"
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   I've just read a report on the Don Q masterclass on balletalert.com forum and the poster, Lolly, mentions Alina and Ivan Putrov as coming from a full day of Onegin rehearsals. So it looks as though Alina will be in Onegin after all, but we still don't know which role.


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Shirley

14-10-01, 06:07 PM (GMT)
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24. "RE: Onegin"
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   >I've just read a report on
>the Don Q masterclass on
>balletalert.com forum and the poster,
>Lolly, mentions Alina and Ivan
>Putrov as coming from a
>full day of Onegin rehearsals.
>So it looks as though
>Alina will be in Onegin
>after all, but we still
>don't know which role.


It was mentioned that she was doing both lead roles.


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kate

15-10-01, 01:38 AM (GMT)
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25. "RE: Onegin"
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   I must have missed that, thanks Shirley.


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Amy

15-10-01, 09:26 AM (GMT)
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26. "RE: Onegin"
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   I completely forgot about Picone, he has already danced the role of Onegin before so it would seem quite likely that he would be one of the casts, especially as we are so short of suitable male dancers. However, he is a First Soloist and Stretton doesn't seem to like giving Principal roles to Soloists, though I don't know if Stretton has any say in the final casting or not.

Another point, moving away from Onegin a minute, is that Picone danced a lot of Principal roles at ABT. Is he really going to want to stay with a company where he doesn't get a single one?


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alexandra

15-10-01, 11:54 AM (GMT)
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27. "RE: Onegin"
In response to message #26
 
   Thank you,everybody,reading all the replies,I understand more and more Tatiana.

Alexandra.


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Angela

15-10-01, 05:38 PM (GMT)
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28. "RE: Onegin"
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   I just wondered why everybody's so interested in Tatiana - of course that's a great role, demanding personality and acting. But Onegin is also really difficult to dance - one of the most difficult parts for male dancers, I suppose (in a drama ballet of course). He has to be a really good partner for all the lifts in the mirror pas de deux in the bedroom scene, he has to do very high and easy looking jumps inbetween those lifts. There's a story they tell in Stuttgart (I have no idea if it's true) about Balanchine watching a rehearsal of the bedroom pas de deux, and he asked Cranko if his ballerina Marcia Haydée was really able to dance, because she only flies through the air for such a long time in that scene.
And of course Onegin must be a good actor - the development of his character through the story is much more difficult to understand and to act than Tatiana's. She just loves Onegin for the whole story, and then rejects him because of her sense of duty. He must make us believe that he's not interested in her in the beginning, but that yet there's something lingering on in him about that young girl that suddenly grows to be that deep, moving love in the end. If he's just arrogant in the beginning and then totally forgets about her - then where should his love come from in the last act? What I want to say is: his character is so complex and difficult to act AND to dance, that most of the mediocre performances I saw failed because of Onegin, not because of Tatiana. Well, in the end, for a perfect "Onegin" you need two dancing geniuses...


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lara

15-10-01, 07:07 PM (GMT)
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32. "RE: Onegin"
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   Angela,

I am not sure I agree with you about

>> He must make us believe that he's not interested in her in the beginning, but that yet there's something lingering on in him about that young girl that suddenly grows to be that deep, moving love in the end.<<

I think he shows that he IS interested in her by watching her dance with the Prince or Count guy and showing jealousy and going off to dance with her sister, making quite a big deal of it.

The hard part of this dramatically is Onegin must evidence an interest he is unable to display overtly - his emotional handicap to "feel" perhaps.

He is cold and aloof, but something in him drives him to pursue the younger sister even though he knows she has a boyfriend ( for lack of a better word). All the while checking to see if Tatiana is seeing him paying attention to Olga.

I think he realizes the damage he has done after the duel, and he realizes his own feelings for Tatiana then also and simply can't deal with any of it so he disappears.

Who knows what his life experiences taught him in the time he was gone.

As for the dancing part, Augustyn did a great job without showing a high jump. But what he did with the complex lifts and footwork was nothing short of amazing!

After watching Cocojaru in Nutcracker, I can't imagine her as Tatiana - perfect as Olga, but not Tatiana. Too tiny and frail as someone else said.

>>Well, in the end, for a perfect "Onegin" you need two dancing geniuses... <<

Absolutely!

Lara


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alison

15-10-01, 07:09 PM (GMT)
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33. "RE: Onegin"
In response to message #28
 
   >>Well,
>in the end, for a
>perfect "Onegin" you need two
>dancing geniuses...

No, I think you need four, actually. If Lensky and Olga don't match up to the leads the thing doesn't work at all. And believe me, I've seen 2 performances by ENB which bear that out: one was such a well-rounded quartet that over a decade on it's still in my top 5 greatest ever performances, and in the other one Lensky and Olga didn't work at all, and the whole ballet fell flat. (I won't mention names, since I know that at least one of the dancers concerned is still dancing!)


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alison

15-10-01, 07:05 PM (GMT)
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31. "RE: Onegin"
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   "No sparkle"???!!! Ronnie, I don't know what you've seen Cojocaru in, but you obviously can't have seen either her Clara in Nutcracker or her Giselle, where she was so full of life that it was heartbreaking when she died. But yes, I'd have thought her too young for Tatania at present, and I do think Yanowsky would be interesting in the role.


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alison

15-10-01, 07:02 PM (GMT)
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30. "RE: Onegin"
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   Sevillano left ENB in 1989 and moved to Boston Ballet. I'm not quite sure when she left there, but she appeared with the Royal BAllet in Daphnis and Chloe in about '94/95 and was scheduled to appear with them in DAnce Bites as well, although I don't think she did in fact. I have a feeling she then gave up dance for a while, although there was an interview with her in DAnce Europe a year or so ago in which she said she was rehearsing Giselle, which I believe she danced with Ullate's company (shame, I desperately hoped she might have come over to guest with ENB, since they were short of Giselles at the time). So she's still dancing, I think. And she was a lovely Olga.


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alison

15-10-01, 06:58 PM (GMT)
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29. "RE: Onegin"
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   Oh, I don't know. I certainly think Rojo could do either role easily.


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Fuzzyface

16-10-01, 09:33 AM (GMT)
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34. "RE: Onegin - casting at last!"
In response to message #29
 
   Ok got some casting: roles in this order: Tatiana, Onegin, Olga, Lensky, Gremim

Nov 22, 29,Dec 4th - Rojo, Cooper, Cojocarur, Stiefel, Saunders
Nov 27,Dec 1, Jan 24th - Cojocaru, Kobborg, Bond, Persson, Gartside
Dec 1, 3, Jan 23rd - Tapper, Coppen, Nunez, Pennefather, Tuckett
Dec 5, 7,10, Jan 17th - Galeazzi, Tewsley, Tapper, Coppen, Cooper
Dec 12th, Jan 19th - Rojo, Cooper, Cojocaru, Putrov, Saunders


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Anneliese

16-10-01, 10:11 AM (GMT)
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35. "RE: Onegin - casting at last!"
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   I assume that the 2nd cast is dancing on the evening of Dec 1st? Think I'd rather see the 4th or 5th casts - might try and change tickets...

But what terrible casting - to have Cojocaru in both roles! WHERE IS LEANNE??? She would be a perfect Tatiana! And Miyako a perfect Olga! Where, too, yanowsky? oh dear. Rojo and Cojocaru are both wonderful but what about the others? Thrilled to see Galeazzi, though!


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Fuzzyface

16-10-01, 01:03 PM (GMT)
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39. "RE: Onegin - casting at last!"
In response to message #35
 
   Sorry, yes the Dec 1st matinee is the cast led by Tapper.


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Sonia

16-10-01, 03:23 PM (GMT)
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41. "RE: Onegin - casting at last!"
In response to message #35
 
   I cannot believe my eyes, is the man mad, he is using dancers who are not ready for the role of Tatiana , WHY NO PRINCIPALS. no Yanowsky, Bejamin, I know that Bussell is not ready for the role, juat as well as she proberly would not have got it.
Valtat, Hatley Burn, MY GOD HOW MUST THEY FEEL, also Yoshida, The male principals and soloists must feel equally dispondent.
I say to Ross Stretton I have been going to The Royal Ballet for many, many years, and never before have we had such a A.D, i SAY Bruce Sansom, get back as soon as possible and lets send Stretton to NEVER NEVER LAND.


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emma

16-10-01, 11:22 AM (GMT)
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36. "RE: Onegin - casting at last! Bond"
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   Can anyone tell me anything about Bond?


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Helen

16-10-01, 11:52 AM (GMT)
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37. "RE: Onegin - casting at last! Bond"
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   Must be Gemma Bond from the corps, I should think. Interesting...


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Tim Powell

16-10-01, 02:00 PM (GMT)
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40. "RE: Onegin - casting at last! Bond"
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   Good to see names from the junior ranks in the lists even if there are too many guset male principals. Encouraging though to see Rupert Pennefather from the corps slated for a leading role.

I imagine the release of these names will trigger ticket applications in a big way now that people know who they are paying for.


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sylvia

16-10-01, 01:01 PM (GMT)
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38. "RE: Onegin - casting at last!"
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   Finally! I sure am fascinated. With all the complaints over the lack of soloists headlining the ballets, I didn't expect Tapper, Coppen, Nunez or Galeazzi to feature so prominently.

Where's Corella? I was looking forward to seeing him.

Going to have a hard time deciding between Cast 1,2 and 3.


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Bruce Madmin

16-10-01, 04:27 PM (GMT)
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42. "Thread Closed..."
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   This is getting a bit long to keep adding to - have created a new thread at:
http://www.danze.co.uk/dcforum/news/1044.html


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