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Bruce Madmin

11-09-01, 01:36 AM (GMT)
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"Most important element of dance/ballet"
 
   A new thread for your thoughts and comments about the new Mini-poll

the question is...
Which is the most important element of ballet/dance for you?

Casting
Music
Choreography
Design
Story

over to you...


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  RE: Most important element of dance/ballet jamshid 11-09-01 1
     RE: Most important element of dance/ballet Jonathan 11-09-01 2
         RE: Most important element of dance/ballet Pete 11-09-01 3
             RE: Most important element of dance/ballet:: Results of poll Ann Williams 25-09-01 4
                 RE: Most important element of dance/ballet:: Results of poll Anneliese 28-09-01 5

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jamshid

11-09-01, 12:22 PM (GMT)
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1. "RE: Most important element of dance/ballet"
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   casting is the most important aspect of dance...
as they are the one who derives the dance...
choreographers tent to catch the movements the dancers produce and make it into a bigger story...
this is the main issue in companies which has choreographers who are not experienced or has any performance experience as dancers...


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Jonathan

11-09-01, 08:57 PM (GMT)
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2. "RE: Most important element of dance/ballet"
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   Casting
Music
Choreography
Design
Story

I wonder whether the question, without any conditions, is flawed. If you believe that dance is a multimedia phenomenon, is it possible to rank the individual elements? Imagine asking, for example "Which is the most important element of a Victoria sponge: eggs, flour, butter or sugar?"

To anyone who says "ah, but you can have dance without music", I declare my agreement with Julie van Camp, who in her 1981 dissertation "Philosophical Problems of Dance Criticism" says "the few examples of dances without music are, I would contend, highly rhythmical works, parasitic on music and the audience's familiarity with the use of music in dance" (http://www.csulb.edu/~jvancamp/diss3.html)

It may, on the other hand, be possible to rank these elements when discussing individual dance works - the story and choreography of Giselle for example, are probably more important than the music, whereas I suspect that Prokofiev's score and Shakespeare's play contribute more to the enduring success of Romeo and Juliet than choreography or design.

Gala pas de deux like Don Quixote or Le Corsaire succeed largely, I expect, because of the particular casting - but then the casting is only interesting when you already know the work so well that you can make judgements about the performance of steps that you know about in advance.

With works like Giselle, Swan Lake, Les Sylphides there is also the 'period-piece' factor. The tutu, the fragile ballerina, the Degas painting are all things which many people want to adore and celebrate in public.

The proposed question is an interesting one, but I think it would be better directed at a particular dance work, or even a particular version of a dance work - how do explain the success of Matthew Bourne's Swan Lake for example?



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Pete

11-09-01, 10:30 PM (GMT)
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3. "RE: Most important element of dance/ballet"
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   I can see your point to a certain degree, though I don't necessarily agree with it. The categories of this question are , I feel necessarily simple for practicality. One can of course apply as much analysis as one likes in arriving at a simple response. A Victoria sponge is a pretty well defined recipe, though tweaking with it's ingredients or placing greater or lesser importance to them according to taste will still create a Victoria sponge (yum!)

>To anyone who says "ah, but
>you can have dance without
>music", I declare my
>agreement with Julie van Camp,
>who in her 1981 dissertation
>"Philosophical Problems of Dance Criticism"
>says "the few examples of
>dances without music are, I
>would contend, highly rhythmical works,
>parasitic on music and the
>audience's familiarity with the use
>of music in dance"

I don't agree with this at all. It would be interesting to see how Julie van Camp defines dance, music and rhythm. If one defines dance as movement, music in a simplistic form as a collection of notes, and rhythm as a beat or accented movement, then dance can of course exist without music, more so than without rhythm. Dance has no rigid reliance on music. Consider a deaf person who has never experienced music, they may have no familiarity with music yet can enjoy dance (and rhythm).

It is quite a tough question, made all the more so by it's lack of choices -but it's far more challenging because of it. Maybe we should consider an individual dance work if it helps us arrive at an answer. Perhaps your favourite -another toughie.

My personal choice would be Choreography followed very closely by Casting (which I also read as interpretation)


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Ann Williams

25-09-01, 10:26 AM (GMT)
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4. "RE: Most important element of dance/ballet:: Results of poll"
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   LAST EDITED ON 25-09-01 AT 10:28 AM (GMT)

Results:

Choreography 60.0%
Music 16.7%
Casting 13.3%
Other: 10.0%
Story 0.0%
Design 0.0%

We have let this poll roll for a bit and the longer it goes on the more apparent it becomes that choreography is, by a mile, the most important element of dance for the majority of us here.

I think that is exactly as it should be. I can't help being a bit pleased too that 'casting' is so far down the hymn-sheet; who says we're a 'fanzine'?


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Anneliese

28-09-01, 04:14 PM (GMT)
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5. "RE: Most important element of dance/ballet:: Results of poll"
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   I didn't reply because I just couldn't come up with an answer! Given a limited choice of performances to see, I will weigh up story, choreography, music, casting and maybe design. Music comes top for my (layman) husband, and is important to me (can't imagine enjoying a ballet where I didn't enjoy the music), but choreography and story are also very important (well, the story is important where there is a story - that doesn't mean I don't rate plotless ballets!) Yes, in short, for me it is a victoria sandwich, and perhaps the casting is the icing and the design the doily!


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