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helena

20-08-01, 10:18 AM (GMT)
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"a change of heart!!"
 
   a few weeks ago i started a thread on the distinct lack of balanchine and robbins in the RBs 2001-2002 season. i got the impression that some were not to bothered by this and were perhaps not too keen on them.
Is it possible that the SFB could have changed anyones opinions on the matter?
i would love to hear all of your thoughts!


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  Subject     Author     Message Date     ID  
  Dance / Ballet globalisation.. Bruce Madmin 20-08-01 1
     RE: Dance / Ballet globalisation.. helena 20-08-01 2
         RE: Dance / Ballet globalisation.. Richard J 20-08-01 3
             RE: Dance / Ballet globalisation.. Bruce Madmin 20-08-01 4
  RE: a change of heart!! Lynette H 20-08-01 5
     RE: a change of heart!! Richard J 20-08-01 6
         RE: a change of heart!! Lynette H 20-08-01 7
     RE: a change of heart!! Anneliese 20-08-01 8
         RE: a change of heart!! Ann Williams 20-08-01 9

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Bruce Madmin

20-08-01, 10:36 AM (GMT)
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1. "Dance / Ballet globalisation.."
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Its been lovely seeing SFB and the Robbins and Balanchine. All agree I think.

Its great when companies come and show us their traditions just as when UK companies go abroad and show others our traditions of Ashton and MacMillan for example.

It's nice for companies to have some nuggets from all around the world (which all UK companies do I think) but I also think it good that we have different traditions and we don't all chase the same things which happen to be currently thought 'in'. Wouldn't it be terrible if SFB came and we all said, "Nice ", with a bit of a stifled yawn, "but seen all this repertoire before haven't we...".

In the large this is really a debate about the globalisation of things - music, film, culture etc and for dance should we be encouraging of it or wary of it? The companies of substance in the world probably number 30-40 and therefore its 30-40 directors who take serious dance and ballet forward. So what's our advice to them? Particularly pertinent in the UK at the moment because we have 3 new ballet company directors starting this summer...


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helena

20-08-01, 11:06 AM (GMT)
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2. "RE: Dance / Ballet globalisation.."
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   bruce
everything you have said is true and britain has a strong heritage of choreographers but just like you said a few snippets would be nice!
although we need to preserve the work of british choreographers is it not the duty as a large proportion of the RBs dancers are not english (im not saying tht is a bad thing!) maybe this diversity should be reflcted in the choice of repetoire?


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Richard J

20-08-01, 11:19 AM (GMT)
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3. "RE: Dance / Ballet globalisation.."
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   Helena

Keep up the good work! (See my post on SFB 1 and you'll know what a fan I am of Balanchine - and Robbins, apart from Fanfare!). Last year at Edinburgh NYCB played to packed houses in a huge space - lots of Mr B; but British programmers haven't got the message that we don't all want story stuff all the time (or even, as in the case of ENB, the same 4 classics revisited time after time). Besides keeping the English tradition alive, there must be room for R and B!


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Bruce Madmin

20-08-01, 11:36 AM (GMT)
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4. "RE: Dance / Ballet globalisation.."
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   Besides keeping the
>English tradition alive, there must
>be room for R and
>B!

... and Tudor... and Forsythe... and Cranko... and we have to bring new young choreographers through... and, this year aside, many feel Ashton has been sadly neglected... and where is the Mark Morris... There has to be room for these too surely.

I'm not against R & B as such but there are so many competing demands. As for story ballet, you have to accept it sells and its what people like in the UK. Fans want more than this but it's not clear where the money comes from. Each of the major companies costs millions to run in public subsidy.

I'm sorry to push back a little, but its reeally, really easy to say we want more of X or X. In the absence of extra money you owe it us yourself and others to figure out what you would axe or not do. And if you say R&J or Swan Lake then you probably need to find 200,000+ from somewhere to make up the difference in box office recipts.

I'm sure British programmers well know what they would like to do and can't afford it. Edinburgh is a very special case I think and NYCB had not been over for a very long time. There are attractions in seeing Balanchine on his own company too that don't exist with RB or BRB or whoever else where its just part of another tripple bill that probably has not sold the house out.

Personally I think we get enough Balanchine in the UK (from home companies and visitors) and I'm more interested in some of the others - including Robbins


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Lynette H

20-08-01, 01:27 PM (GMT)
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5. "RE: a change of heart!!"
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   It has been really good to see a company who are truly at home in the style dancing Balanchine works. (Dutch National Ballet also, earlier this year at Sadlers, looked very much in command of the style in Four Temperaments).

Unfortunately, seeing a company which isn't quite so at home in the style can be rather less rewarding. The Royal don't have much Balanchine in the repertory - DNB have quite a lot.

It's not necessarily that people aren't keen on Balanchine, but not all works suit all companies characteristics and styles.

Later this year, Ballett Franfurt are coming to Sadlers Wells. In 2002, the Royal will be dancing some Forsythe pieces. Forsythe's style is very idiosyncratic, and he doesn't make new work for other companies any more - he wants to work with his own dancers and not compromise. It will be interesting to see what the Royal's Forsythe looks like after Ballett Frankfurt have been here - especially as many of the dancers who used to appear in his works (Bull, Trevitt, Abegglen) have left.



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Richard J

20-08-01, 01:57 PM (GMT)
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6. "RE: a change of heart!!"
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   I agree about seeing more Tudor especially - wasn't he pushed out into the cold for too long? And the new work is important too. But R&J is done to death (so to speak), and much as I love it (I saw one of the first Dowell/Sibley performances in March 1965) I think it sometimes needs to be rested for its own good.
I'm not against story lines as such - I've never seen Mayerling in the theatre, and would love to do so - but pure dance seems to get squeezed sometimes. A sign of the (financial) times, no doubt - I read somewhere that ballet seats at the ROH make a loss compared with opera seats.

I would be interested to know what is being pencilled in for 2002/3; I hope there are signs of real growth for the RB, and that they won't find themselves in the position of being uncomfortably unfamiliar with Balanchine some years down the line. The RB went for years without performing anything by Robbins, and when BRB got permission for The Cage it was reported in The Times that they were told they could perform it anywhere they liked except London. Was there a row between Robbins and the RB?


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Lynette H

20-08-01, 04:50 PM (GMT)
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7. "RE: a change of heart!!"
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   The RB
>went for years without performing
>anything by Robbins, and when
>BRB got permission for The
>Cage it was reported in
>The Times that they were
>told they could perform it
>anywhere they liked except London.
>Was there a row between
>Robbins and the RB?

I had heard that that was the case, but I don't know the details. Certainly it's only since Robbins' death that a number of his works have been scheduled at the Royal - before that there was nothing of his to be seen for several years.


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Anneliese

20-08-01, 05:02 PM (GMT)
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8. "RE: a change of heart!!"
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   >Later this year, Ballett Franfurt are
>coming to Sadlers Wells. In
>2002, the Royal will be
>dancing some Forsythe pieces. Forsythe's
>style is very idiosyncratic, and
>he doesn't make new work
>for other companies any more
>- he wants to work
>with his own dancers and
>not compromise. It will
>be interesting to see what
>the Royal's Forsythe looks like
>after Ballett Frankfurt have been
>here - especially as many
>of the dancers who used
>to appear in his works
>(Bull, Trevitt, Abegglen) have left.
>
I was wondering what had happened to Abegglen - I thought he was very under-used. Where is he now?


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Ann Williams

20-08-01, 06:26 PM (GMT)
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9. "RE: a change of heart!!"
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   >I was wondering what had happened to Abegglen - I thought he was very under-used.<

..and under-appreciated! I thought he was a brilliant dancer who did not get the recognition he deserved.


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