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Alice

02-08-01, 06:45 AM (GMT)
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"RB Mixed Bill Performance"
 
   Did anyone go last night?
How was Guillem in "A Month..."?
I would appreciate some comments.

Thank you!!


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  Subject     Author     Message Date     ID  
  RE: RB Mixed Bill Performance B.JS. 02-08-01 1
  RE: RB Mixed Bill Performance David 02-08-01 2
     RE: RB Mixed Bill Performance Roddy 02-08-01 3
         RE: RB Mixed Bill Performance Tim Powell 02-08-01 4
             RE: RB Mixed Bill Performance Roddy 03-08-01 7
                 RE: RB Mixed Bill Performance Roddy 03-08-01 8
                     RE: RB Mixed Bill Performance Tim Powell 03-08-01 9
         RE: RB Mixed Bill Performance NO7 02-08-01 5
             RE: RB Mixed Bill Performance eugene merrett 02-08-01 6
                 RE: RB Mixed Bill Performance victoria 04-08-01 10
                     RE: RB Mixed Bill Performance sylvia 04-08-01 11
                         RE: RB Mixed Bill Performance Julia 04-08-01 12
                             RE: RB Mixed Bill Performance meunier@hotmail.com 04-08-01 13
                             RE: RB Mixed Bill Performance Lily 04-08-01 14
                             RE: RB Mixed Bill Performance Jonny 05-08-01 15
                             RE: RB Mixed Bill Performance Pete 05-08-01 16
                             RE: RB Mixed Bill Performance monica 05-08-01 17
                             RE: RB Mixed Bill Performance Shirley 05-08-01 18
                             RE: RB Mixed Bill Performance victoria 05-08-01 19
                             RE: RB Mixed Bill Performance Catherine 05-08-01 20
                             RE: RB Mixed Bill Performance victoria 05-08-01 21
                             RE: RB Mixed Bill Performance Catherine 05-08-01 23
                             RE: RB Mixed Bill Performance monica 05-08-01 22
                             RE: RB Mixed Bill Performance victoria 05-08-01 24
                             RE: RB Mixed Bill Performance Bruce Madmin 06-08-01 28
                             RE: RB Mixed Bill Performance Pete 05-08-01 25
                             RE: RB Mixed Bill Performance Shirley 05-08-01 26
                             RE: RB Mixed Bill Performance Anneliese 05-08-01 27
                             RE: RB Mixed Bill Performance Helen 06-08-01 29
                             RE: RB Mixed Bill Performance Helen 06-08-01 30
                             RE: RB Mixed Bill Performance Paul A 06-08-01 31
                             RE: RB Mixed Bill Performance Paul A 06-08-01 32
                             RE: RB Mixed Bill Performance Odile 06-08-01 33
                             RE: RB Mixed Bill Performance Helen 06-08-01 34
                             RE: RB Mixed Bill Performance Paul A 07-08-01 35
                             RE: RB Mixed Bill Performance Emily 08-08-01 36
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B.JS.

02-08-01, 09:53 AM (GMT)
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1. "RE: RB Mixed Bill Performance"
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   no I was not at the performance, but at the reahersal in the afternoon, a wonderful program, Valtat shone in The Month, truely Ashton, I am certain that Guillem, will not dance the role in true Ashton style, pity that Valtat has only been given one.
The other pieces were perfomed well, looking foreward to Saturday and seeing both shows, a grand farewell for Anthony Dowell.
Ross Stretton, take note, the british public like the classics,also Ashton, Macmillan, etc. please not too much modern, a little is fine, but modern does not put bums on seats in The Opera House. We are quite traditional, the balletomanes like to see new styles but the public in general not so.


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David

02-08-01, 10:23 AM (GMT)
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2. "RE: RB Mixed Bill Performance"
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   I thought it was jolly clever of the RB to mount a performance paying tribute to a British principal dancer in which there was barely a British principal dancer to be seen on stage -
Danish, Australian, French, Italian, Spanish, Cuban, etc.

Truly inspired casting!


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Roddy

02-08-01, 11:46 AM (GMT)
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3. "RE: RB Mixed Bill Performance"
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   David

It was ever thus - even Margot's mum was Brazilian and Darcy's dad Australian!


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Tim Powell

02-08-01, 01:24 PM (GMT)
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4. "RE: RB Mixed Bill Performance"
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   If we go back to Margot's time we could list as Brit principals
Shearer,May,Grey,Somes,Field,Hart,Shaw,Blair and Chatfield. Which is a contrast with today with few Brits or RBS trained principals.


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Roddy

03-08-01, 07:53 AM (GMT)
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7. "RE: RB Mixed Bill Performance"
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Not to mention Nerina, Beriosova, Elvin, Fifield and Helpmann!


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Roddy

03-08-01, 01:50 PM (GMT)
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8. "RE: RB Mixed Bill Performance"
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Oh, I almost forgot Rowena Jackson, Merle Park, Lyn Seymour, Alexis Rassine and, of course, Rudi.


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Tim Powell

03-08-01, 05:21 PM (GMT)
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9. "RE: RB Mixed Bill Performance"
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   Roddy
You forgot Alexander Grant and I believe that Rudi was never a member of the company.
My posting was intended to rue the current absence of home grown principals and to agree that it would have been nice to have some in this programme.


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NO7

02-08-01, 01:29 PM (GMT)
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5. "RE: RB Mixed Bill Performance"
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   Indeed the casts last night were truly inspiring. And I must say it's the triumphant night of the Spanish, Cuban, and Italian dancers!
Rojo and Acosta gave an electrifying performance in Don Q pdd. Rojo was lovely, vivid, and technically wonderful, and Acosta showed virtuosity at his best. His huge, heart-stopping jumps always made my mouth drop. In Manon pdd, Wilder danced beautifully with Roberto Bolle (the most stylish and handsomest Des Grieux I've ever seen!).
Monotones II arrested me as much. I couldn't take my eyes from three dancers in glittering white costumes. Yanowsky danced in complete authority. Bravos!
Hatley and Parker were a joy to watch in the Sleeping Beauty pdd. But I think the choreography is a bit banal and that disappointed me.
Now comes to 'A Month'. This ballet has everything, just name it. Stunning scenery and costumes, wonderful casts, drama, and so on. I can't say who's the best last night because they're a great great teamwork. Guillem was captivating, yet subtle (funny to hear a lady sitting next to me commented "she's too French!"?!?). Alina Cojocaru as Vera grabbed the audience's heart with her innocent charm. I really loved her pdd with Massimo Merru, who was also brilliant as an actor and as a dancer.
No, I didn't forget the Dream. Benjamin was good. But something must have blineded me. I didn't like her performance as much as did other audience. I think she's a bit abrupt and unmusical. Kobborg on the other hand made a wonderful Oberon. Someone told me he's now considered the best male in RB, and I totally agree.



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eugene merrett

02-08-01, 01:35 PM (GMT)
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6. "RE: RB Mixed Bill Performance"
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   I was very impressed with Gulliem performance. It is a role more suited to her - a mature woman - as oppose to the more vulnerable and youthfull roles like Cinders and Giselle.

She acts with great feeling and sensitivity and yet in her brief opening solo she was surprisingly light and sure footed.

OK I did not much care for the very long leg extension but it was no big deal in this role.

I also thought Cojacaru was particularly touching as well!


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victoria

04-08-01, 10:33 AM (GMT)
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10. "RE: RB Mixed Bill Performance"
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   I`ve seen the mixed bill friday night,and Sylvie was astonishing!!
What an actress!!!
She reminds me Michele Pfeiffer in that Scorsese`S movie,"the age of innocence".

Her pas de deux with Massimo Muru,was really MOVING,the audience was captivated!!

What`s happened to Sarah Wildor?Is she pregnant?She became so FAT!!!!!!!
In Manon,she was ridiculous!!!!


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sylvia

04-08-01, 11:10 AM (GMT)
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11. "RE: RB Mixed Bill Performance"
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   LAST EDITED ON 04-08-01 AT 11:12 AM (GMT)

Not much time for much of a reply now as I have to dash. But the mixed bill on friday was fantastic. And Wildor looked absolutely fine from my seat! Their pdd has completely turned me around on Manon, which I've only ever see on video until now.

And it was a good night for Cojocaru fans (of which I am one)- in Dream, Awakenings and Month.


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Julia

04-08-01, 12:49 PM (GMT)
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12. "RE: RB Mixed Bill Performance"
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   Sarah Wildor was really and by far the lowpoint of the evening...


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04-08-01, 02:09 PM (GMT)
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13. "RE: RB Mixed Bill Performance"
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   There was much to admire on Friday. A great deal. I agree with the comment above on Sarah Wildor. I have never seen a dancer with so little respect for her partner. I wouldn't dare comment on Ms. Wildor's size - that is her own business - but Mr Bolle, who struggled valiently and showed a lovely adagio line when permitted, was not treated suitably. Ms. Wildor hung like dead weight, making some of his complicated lifts dangerous, certainly, without question, cruel. Surely Ms. Wildor (and, more to the point the people overseeing the situation as it was the same on Wednesday)can do better than this.


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Lily

04-08-01, 08:04 PM (GMT)
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14. "RE: RB Mixed Bill Performance"
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   4th August Matinee

Lucky me got to go to the matinee performance as a bit of a surprise b-day pressy. I was also lucky enough to be sitting in the grand tier-never before have I had the pleasure and low and behold even more lucky, Anthony Dowell was sitting just behind me across the small aisle, which was slightly unnerving - I suppose he was gearing up for tonights performance.

I saw the dream earlier this year with Sarah WIldor and today I saw Alina Cojocaru who was quite exquisite in her portrayal of Titania. I think that it is quite a hard role as it is more acting and mime rather than dancing but when she did, she really showed that she was worthy of that promotion earlier this year. Beautiful!

Giacomo Ciriaci was also wonderful as Puck and quite rightly deserved the huge applause that he received!

Mara Galeazzi in 'Beauty was also very good - lovely clean and pure lines! Her prince charming was Robert Parker who was super!

Is Mara related to Leanne Benjamin?- Their resemblence is uncanny!

All I can say about Monotones II is WOW! Beautifully danced by all three dancers, Joshua Tuifua, Thomas Whitehead and Christina Arestis who must be the tallest female dancer in the company! The choreography matched the score completely as it ebbed and flowed so silkily - ravishing!

Leanne Benjamin and Johan Kobborg were sumptuously sexy in Manon - it has made me want to see the whole of it!

Don Quixote was probably the showstopping highlight of the programme. Carlos Acosta was incredible as he made those jumps look so easy and I was not at all suprised that he looked so pleased with himself! Tamara Rojo was very seductive and teased him and the audience! Her double fouettes were stunning and not surprisingly, there were huge cheers and lots of clapping! It woudl be interesting to know whether they do this in the evening performance.

Then came A Month in the Country. The set was gorgeous as was the music. Muriel Valtat was perfect as Natalia - she was excellent at portraying the older woman who has fallen for someone younger than her and we felt her aching for him.

Ivan Putrov is a beautiful lyrical dancer. He has matured so much since the televised Nutcracker. I hope to see him a lot more. Natasha Oughtred as Vera was the lowlight for me. She had only one expression throughout the whole ballet, even when she found out that her guardian was also seeing Beliaev, a rather cheesy gushing smile and I hate to say it, she looked like Debbie McGee but I don't think that the wig helped her. Victoria Hewitt as the maid has a wonderful cheeky face which was great in this and she reminded me of Sarah Wildor slightly.

This was a fantastic afternoon and I thorougly enjoyed myself as did my family and from the audience reaction, they did too.

I hope that everyone else has enjoyed this as much as I have and I shall look forward to reading all your posings tomorrow!


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Jonny

05-08-01, 02:28 AM (GMT)
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15. "RE: RB Mixed Bill Performance"
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   It's ashame that some of you thought that Wildor looked as you describe, but I thought she was beautiful. Her upper body is so expressive (use of upper back) and footwork so precise, and this is what I find attractive. I hadn't noticed anything about her weight, she's never been super thin and in my opinion never fat. I'm sure if she were too fat Roberto would have refused to partner. Apart from all of that she has an adorable face! How could you?!


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Pete

05-08-01, 04:07 AM (GMT)
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16. "RE: RB Mixed Bill Performance"
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   Quite right Jonny....
Did I just see the same performance?!
Sarah Wildor is a wonderfully expressive and beautiful dancer with a great technique! Since when do all ballet dancers have to be six foot stick insects? Ms Wildor is certainly not FAT!! -far from it!....Phwoarr maybe!!


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monica

05-08-01, 10:35 AM (GMT)
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17. "RE: RB Mixed Bill Performance"
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   Well , in Manon , her corset was cylindrical!

Barrel of scotch or little pumpkin?

No , really , she wasn't credible!


Since when
>do all ballet dancers have
>to be six foot stick
>insects?

I suppose the insect you refer to is Ms.Guillem.Do you know that she has the perfect body for classical ballet , the body that all ballerinas dream to have?

Ms Wildor is
>certainly not FAT

Yes she is!Open your eyes!


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Shirley

05-08-01, 12:17 PM (GMT)
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18. "RE: RB Mixed Bill Performance"
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   Never in a million years would I say Ms. Wildor was fat! Have you actually met her Monica?


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victoria

05-08-01, 12:32 PM (GMT)
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19. "RE: RB Mixed Bill Performance"
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   Thank you Monica,

I am sorry all of you,but OPEN your eyes:

Ok,Sarah is a good dancer,
Ok,she is cute
Ok,she is very expressive,upper body etc
Ok,she has beautifull foot work
Ok,all the dancers don`t have to be a 6th insect(look Alina,she is tiny,adorable,and THIN!!)

But,I`m sorry,Sarah took a LOT of weight,
yes,her corset was cylindrical!(even her cute face became puffy!)
and yes because of that she was not credible as the YOUNG Manon,and,I think when a dancer took suddenly SO MUCH weight,she should not accept to show herself to the audience as it`s self depreciation.

But,I say that for her,because it`s really not my problem if she is fat or not!!
(We are not any more in the 19th century ,and nowdays,the shape of the ballerinas is a bit different!)

I hope Sarah will recover very soon the figure she had at the beggining of the season.


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Catherine

05-08-01, 12:43 PM (GMT)
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20. "RE: RB Mixed Bill Performance"
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   Victoria and Monica or Victoria=Monica, same style, same comments

Even if it was true and I don't know Sarah Wildor, I don't see her dance. You don't have to say she is or not fat. Do you like heard about you some criticism about your physical aspect I don't suppose. I know you will say that you are not a dancer and not make a public job, but I think you won't love heard you heva some physical defaults.
You don't have to critic after physical defaults. If the dancer is good, it's not a problem and you have some other way to say one dancer is fat or not. How I said on a other forum about Cojocaru whose you criticize some physical details and Wildor where you said she was fat. You don't have to say these kind of comments. You can attack a dancer technically or on her interpretation. You could attack also costum, sets, but not physical.


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victoria

05-08-01, 01:02 PM (GMT)
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21. "RE: RB Mixed Bill Performance"
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   Dear Cathrine,

It`s not an ATTACK,I have nothing AGAINST the poor Sarah,it`s just that she is not CREDIBLE,she may be very good but it`s impossible to be moved by her dancing when she has that figure.

Especially that she used to be so adorable before,what a pitty!!!


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Catherine

05-08-01, 01:16 PM (GMT)
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23. "RE: RB Mixed Bill Performance"
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   We could be credible in a role even if you a little weight more. How I said I don't know Sarah Wildor but she seems agree to british audience, and they're more numerous to love her and to find her Manon good as well her Titania than to hate her.

It's not an attack but you don't have to say it. I don't know how you are, but if I said to you "You're fat". Do you heard it with great smile. You have way to say the thing and way to say the thing. Say it seems that, or she is... It's different.


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monica

05-08-01, 01:13 PM (GMT)
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22. "RE: RB Mixed Bill Performance"
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   No Shirley I've never met Sarah Wildor.I just saw her on stage.

Catherine:no I am not Victoria.But why shouldn't we comment about the dancers' bodies?Like Victoria said , we are no more in the 19th century and nowadays the dancer's body is no more hidden.

Victoria:I agree with all what you said.


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victoria

05-08-01, 01:32 PM (GMT)
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24. "RE: RB Mixed Bill Performance"
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   First of all,thank you Monica,I feel a bit less lonely.

Then Catherine,it`s true that except Monica,nobody seemed to realise the massive change in Sarah`s figure,I CAN`T believe they didn`t see it,maybe the DON`T want to see it,or they are relatives to her!!

Anyway,I want to stop discussing about that,because people might think I have something against Sarah,poor thing!And I don`t,I was just sharing my vision of friday night performance.

Sincerely,
Vic.


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Bruce Madmin

06-08-01, 12:11 PM (GMT)
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28. "RE: RB Mixed Bill Performance"
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   A little sad to see the comments around Sarah Wildor again - a bit back there was strong disagreement about her and then, as now, the vast majority (or the majority who post regularly) jumped to her defence.

For what its worth I think she is womanly (always has been) and not fat, and that's fine to see and possibly a cause for celebration even. More to the point the hostile words do come over as an attack and at the very least you need to put the time into finding more measured tones to convey some of the feelings you clearly have. You will also be respected more if you make your comments in an accountable fashion - ie real name and email address given.


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Pete

05-08-01, 01:35 PM (GMT)
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25. "RE: RB Mixed Bill Performance"
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   >What`s happened to Sarah Wildor?Is she
>pregnant?She became so FAT!!!!!!!
>In Manon,she was ridiculous!!!!

victoria ...that's an ATTACK!

monica....

>I suppose the insect you refer
>to is Ms.Guillem.Do you know
>that she has the perfect
>body for classical ballet ,
>the body that all ballerinas
>dream to have?

You suppose wrong, it's a general comment. I would not be so plainly cruel to attack a person because of their size, be it too fat or too thin -Ms Guillem & Ms Wildor are neither. This site is read by a great many people, young dancers included, and irresponsible comments such as yours may have a detrimental influence on their development.
I think that different dancers fit certain roles better, so saying a dancer was not credible is fine. Let's leave the fat jibes in the playground shall we....


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Shirley

05-08-01, 03:16 PM (GMT)
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26. "RE: RB Mixed Bill Performance"
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   Victoria and Monica

It's a general rule on these postings pages that we do not make personal comments on dancers. Express a preference as many do but there is no need to be so rude. Also it has been asked that all give an e-mail address when posting!

I am not a member of Sarah's family, and for you to say so I find deplorable.


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Anneliese

05-08-01, 04:40 PM (GMT)
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27. "RE: RB Mixed Bill Performance"
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   >I suppose the insect you refer
>to is Ms.Guillem.Do you know
>that she has the perfect
>body for classical ballet ,
>the body that all ballerinas
>dream to have?
>

Sorry, that's rubbish! Look at the geatest, most beautiful dancers of the last decade, never mind the last 40 years - hardly any of them have the same physique as Mlle Guillem. Most experts would say that she was far from ideally proportioned for a number of roles. She's a great dancer, yes; you may admire her particularly - that's fine. But to say that her physique is perfection and dreamt of by all dancers is just plain silly. And if you think Sarah Wildor is fat, you should get out more!


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Helen

06-08-01, 03:48 PM (GMT)
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29. "RE: RB Mixed Bill Performance"
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   I couldn't agree more, Anneliese. I think Sarah has the ideal Ashton body, if we must discuss it. Her Titania was exactly as the part was meant to be - and I know, I saw Sibley many times - sorry, Queen Mother act again. I'm not 101 but I was at the first night of The Dream. Alina was beautiful - I saw her in the afternoon - but she was far too sweet. Titania is not sweet


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Helen

06-08-01, 04:50 PM (GMT)
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30. "RE: RB Mixed Bill Performance"
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   I have realised that my previous post sounds arrogant and over the top - of course I can't claim to know exactly how Titania should be danced. I was responding to the unpleasant posts on this thread, which incensed me.


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Paul A

06-08-01, 05:19 PM (GMT)
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31. "RE: RB Mixed Bill Performance"
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   Pleasure to meet you on Saturday - your posting was not OTT at all.

I like Wildor but she didn't convince me in this. Preferred Cojocaru at her debut in May. Looking back at my posting then I said she was lovely but lacking something in the pdd. I guess this means she was missing some spark that the best Tytanias have. To me Cojocaru had better presence in the mime with Oberon; for me Wildor looked too familiar in the role - not other worldly enough.

Happiest memories are of Wendy Eliis with Stephen Jefferies. They had an allure together.

(And this posting is not designed to as the pretext to villify or canonise Wildor. A personal prefernce and an attempt to explain it).


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Paul A

06-08-01, 05:19 PM (GMT)
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32. "RE: RB Mixed Bill Performance"
In response to message #30
 
   Pleasure to meet you on Saturday - your posting was not OTT at all.

I like Wildor but she didn't convince me in this. Preferred Cojocaru at her debut in May. Looking back at my posting then I said she was lovely but lacking something in the pdd. I guess this means she was missing some spark that the best Tytanias have. To me Cojocaru had better presence in the mime with Oberon; for me Wildor looked too familiar in the role - not other worldly enough.

Happiest memories are of Wendy Eliis with Stephen Jefferies. They had an allure together.

(And this posting is not designed to as the pretext to villify or canonise Wildor. A personal prefernce and an attempt to explain it).


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Odile

06-08-01, 05:55 PM (GMT)
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33. "RE: RB Mixed Bill Performance"
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   Unfortunately I missed the Saturday matinee.
Can someone please tell me how Essakow managed in the role
of Oberon this time? Thanks in advance.


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Helen

06-08-01, 09:06 PM (GMT)
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34. "RE: RB Mixed Bill Performance"
In response to message #33
 
   I was at the matinee and I liked Essakow's Oberon on the whole. He did have the occasional wobble, but he looked so eerily like Dowell in the role that I forgive him. The spirit was there, I felt, and his dancing does have an easy elegance - at least, that is how it struck me. I preferred him to Acosta in the evening.

Paul, I didn't see Wendy Ellis as Titania, but I have heard quite a lot about her. Merle Park was delectable in the part, as was Austin Bennett as Oberon. But nobody, absolutely nobody, moves like Dowell, in my opinion! (By the way, are you a Britten fan? Totally off-topic, I know, but I noticed your spelling of TYtania, which is the way Britten spells it in the opera.)


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Paul A

07-08-01, 11:14 AM (GMT)
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35. "RE: RB Mixed Bill Performance"
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   Helen, not to waylay this thread, but Ashton's Dream is the only version I enjoy (not seen Balanchine's) - I don't care for the play, and well spotted, yes I do enjoy Britten and have seen the Glyndebourne Dream this summer - so yes that did pervade my spelling, (so that production must work for me if not the music).


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Emily

08-08-01, 11:39 AM (GMT)
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36. "RE: RB Mixed Bill Performance"
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   how could you say sarah wildor is fat?!
she is a beautiful dancer and does not look in the least out of shape at all!


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Niall

12-10-01, 06:01 PM (GMT)
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37. "RE: RB Mixed Bill Performance"
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   The correspondent Lily, should refrain from making ill informed attacks on young upcoming dancers, without even attempting to understand why a role is interpreted in a particular way by an individual!
It very easy to critise when sitting in the audience, I noted your comments with complete distain and although you are perfectly entitled to hold such views, I believe that harmful remarks made by an opinionated spectator cause only upset and do nothing to promote individuality or artistic growth!


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