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kevin

28-07-01, 00:09 AM (GMT)
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"Where were you all????"
 
   Ok !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This week has seen the start of the All England Dance Competition( NB Not the Prix de Laussane)
So where were you all??????
the fact that Adam Cooper is another year older is something I am sure he needs to be reminded of. ( sorry Adam if you read this site, but honestly)
These dancers are your ( as an audience) future.
Any thing been mentioned???????Diddley $**^.
If, in the future ,you find yourself un happy with the state of Dance in this country???????????????What can I say?
Speak and discuss.


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  Subject     Author     Message Date     ID  
  RE: Where were you all???? lara 28-07-01 1
  RE: Where were you all???? ginny 28-07-01 2
     RE: Where were you all???? Shirley 28-07-01 3
         RE: Where were you all???? Ferdy 28-07-01 4
             RE: Where were you all???? Shirley 28-07-01 5
                 RE: Where were you all???? Ann Welsh 28-07-01 6
                     RE: Where were you all???? Ann Williams 28-07-01 7
     RE: Where were you all???? lara 28-07-01 8
         RE: Where were you all???? ginny 28-07-01 9
             RE: Where were you all???? Kevin 29-07-01 10
                 RE: Where were you all???? Shirley 29-07-01 11
                     RE: Where were you all???? Ferdy (A very proud dancing father) 29-07-01 12
             RE: Where were you all???? lara 29-07-01 13
                 RE: Where were you all???? Kevin 29-07-01 14
                     RE: Where were you all???? Angie DeMello 30-07-01 15
  RE: Where were you all???? jane 01-08-01 16
     RE: Where were you all???? Kevin 02-08-01 18
         RE: Where were you all???? jane 02-08-01 21
  RE: Where were you all???? Margaret Lumley 01-08-01 17
     RE: Where were you all???? Kevin 02-08-01 19
         RE: Where were you all???? Ferdy 02-08-01 20

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lara

28-07-01, 00:30 AM (GMT)
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1. "RE: Where were you all????"
In response to message #0
 
   >Ok !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>This week has seen the start
>of the All England Dance
>Competition( NB Not the Prix
>de Laussane)
>So where were you all??????

So why don't you start a discussion about the competition for those of us in other countries who are not familiar with what you talking about!


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ginny

28-07-01, 12:56 PM (GMT)
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2. "RE: Where were you all????"
In response to message #0
 
   I couldn't agree with you more Kevin. Dancing at the All England Dance competition is the goal for many young dancers and noone on this site has given it a mention - it is not even listed in the postings. For young dancers all over England, (and I mean young, from ages 5 to 17+)this competition is the high point of a two year Qualifying period. Dancers only get through to this competition if they have received a high mark (85% or over) from an adjudicator at a qualifying dance festival. They then go on to battle their way through the regional finals which were held in late May early June, and only then do they qualify to perform at this competition. The standard from some of these young dancers is amazing. I have heard it said at these festivals by a number of adjudicators that they would be hard pressed to be better entertained in the West End. Dance festivals are often the only opportunity that young dancers have to 'perform' on a regular basis. The competition is tough (too tough and over emphasised at times)but they represent the 'training ground' for many of tomorrows performers. Go and see and enjoy.


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Shirley

28-07-01, 01:26 PM (GMT)
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3. "RE: Where were you all????"
In response to message #2
 
   >I couldn't agree with you more
>Kevin. Dancing at the All
>England Dance competition is
>the goal for many young
>dancers and noone on this
>site has given it a
>mention - it is not
>even listed in the postings.
>For young dancers all over
>England, (and I mean young,
>from ages 5 to 17+)this
>competition is the high point
>of a two year Qualifying
>period. Dancers only get
>through to this competition if
>they have received a high
>mark (85% or over) from
>an adjudicator at a qualifying
>dance festival. They then
>go on to battle their
>way through the regional finals
>which were held in late
>May early June, and only
>then do they qualify to
>perform at this competition.
>The standard from some of
>these young dancers is amazing.
> I have heard it
>said at these festivals by
>a number of adjudicators that
>they would be hard pressed
>to be better entertained in
>the West End. Dance
>festivals are often the only
>opportunity that young dancers have
>to 'perform' on a regular
>basis. The competition is
>tough (too tough and over
>emphasised at times)but they represent
>the 'training ground' for many
>of tomorrows performers. Go
>and see and enjoy.

There is no point in having a go at individuals because they do not post about what you want! Perhaps if you had mentioned before the event it was going on and where it is taking place then some of us would have been able to go and see the competition and then been able to comment on it.

If you went why don't you do a review for us instead of complaining - that way we will be able to know what names to look out for in the future!

There must be hundreds of dance festivals, competitions and performances not covered on ballet.co but you have to ask yourself if you have done anything to rectify the situation?


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Ferdy

28-07-01, 03:05 PM (GMT)
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4. "RE: Where were you all????"
In response to message #3
 
   Interesting posting topic and interesting replies, so far.

The All England is a huge competition, attracting ten's of thousands of young competitors.

Every one of the children who made it through to the finals is already a winner.

I have been at the last 5 finals supporting both my children and their friends who are taking part.

The standard, generally, is very high and at the higher age group would not be out of place at a west end show.

Being there is a major achiviement, winning a medal is for them (and us parents) fantastic.

The level of commitment by these children is nothing short of amazing and anythingh that can highlight their success would make a huge difference.


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Shirley

28-07-01, 04:12 PM (GMT)
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5. "RE: Where were you all????"
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   This is great Ferdy and I agree with what you say about the hard work and prestige involved in in the competition but where was it held. I am really interested to know not being a dancer myself or a parent of a dancer but I am someone who posts on this site and is interested in dance.

I have never heard of this festival and I admit that apart from a couple of RB schools performances all the performances I have seen and generally comment on are profesional companies!

You want the students success highlighted then tell us all about them, do a review, write it up for us!

It amazes me that the original post was a complaint about the competition not being mentioned on this site but the person who posted didn't mention the competition beforehand or even comment on it although it looks like they were there!

The great beauty of this site is that any body can make posts about any topic but I don't see the need to complain about lack of posts on a competition that probably the great majority who post on this site, if they were like me, did not even know it existed!


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Ann Welsh

28-07-01, 04:50 PM (GMT)
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6. "RE: Where were you all????"
In response to message #5
 
   I agree with Shirley. I too had never heard of this Festival or even where it is held? As far as I could see, no mention of it in any of the dance publications. We are used to publicity for students of the bigger schools, ie Central, Studio Centre, RBS, but not a lot gets publicised about what's going on elsewhere, especially in the provinces. It would be good if these competitions were publicised somewhere on the site, and I'm sure there is an appropriate place for it on ballet.co. It's really down the the competition organisers, though, isn't it?


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Ann Williams

28-07-01, 06:29 PM (GMT)
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7. "RE: Where were you all????"
In response to message #6
 
   Give us a clue, Kevin/Ferdy. What kind of dancing are we talking about here? Is it ballet or contemporary? As you can probably guess from the title of this website we are primarily ballet-oriented though we also cover contemporary dance. Isn't the 'All England' competition you mention concerned with ballroom dancing? Apologies if I've got this wrong, but this is exactly why we need some clarification from you.


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lara

28-07-01, 07:17 PM (GMT)
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8. "RE: Where were you all????"
In response to message #2
 
   >I couldn't agree with you more
>Kevin. Dancing at the All
>England Dance competition is
>the goal for many young
>dancers and noone on this
>site has given it a
>mention - it is not
>even listed in the postings.

then why have you not given it any mention yourself if you know what it is!?


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ginny

28-07-01, 08:42 PM (GMT)
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9. "RE: Where were you all????"
In response to message #8
 
   Hi Lara
Sorry I haven't replied earlier. I'm one of those 'festival ballet' mums who trail behind their sons and daughters, lugging makeup and costume bags. My daughter danced at the All England Finals last week end and has been dancing at a local ballet festival during this week, so I have been busy!!
The All England Dance festival is held at the Peacock theatre over 8 days. The festival runs every second year and this year it ran from 21st - 28 July culminating with a Young Dancer of the Year and Young Tap Dancer of the Year competitions which would be taking place as I write this. (there are a couple of other awards offered too for national, Greek, song and dance etc.). The dance sections include modern/contemporary, ballet, national, Greek, character,tap, song and dance, across all the age groups from 5 years to seniors and in all sorts of variations such as duets, trios/quartets, groups, as well as solos. It is the best of each age group within England that is performing in each section - so it is all home-grown talent. Not only do you see talented dancers you also get to see some pretty talented choreography, again choreographed by teachers at English dance schools.
Unfortunately because of our other ballet committments we haven't been able to watch the final competitions this year. I am hoping that Kevin will have been there and will give us a description.
They have recently started up a web site at
http://www.all-england-dance.org.uk
They are hoping to set up a young dancer network on the site. It will be interesting to see the issues that young dancers discuss.


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Kevin

29-07-01, 00:07 AM (GMT)
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10. "RE: Where were you all????"
In response to message #9
 
   this is my 2nd attempt ( thanks aol)so i'll make it brief.
Thank you Ginny for taking the time to explain.
This evening was a joy!!!!!!!
I have seen a few schools in my time and the collaberation was encouraging to say the least.
Attended by Dame Alicia. who gave a speech endorsing the teaching in this country.......the eve was a hit.
Congrats all who worked to get it going.
Ok .............I'll come clean.
I was asked to adjudicate on the All England.
And ( Ann) (I had my doubts).Any one with any sense would??????????
But " beware" Ballet bites here!!!!!!!
As does Contmp'
As does musical theatre.
Damm good all of them.!!!!!!!!
Give them support. they neede it .
The major support came from a company that sadly was not English/ British.
Look out for RUTH BAILY 11 years of age and "Kicking Ass" in the Classical way(Ann)
Kevin


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Shirley

29-07-01, 00:16 AM (GMT)
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11. "RE: Where were you all????"
In response to message #10
 
   Thank you Kevin and Ginny for the information. Shame you didn't post about this earlier then some of dance fans living in the London area may have been able to attend!


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Ferdy (A very proud dancing father)

29-07-01, 12:02 PM (GMT)
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12. "RE: Where were you all????"
In response to message #11
 
   The All England Dance competition is made up of many dance festivals held all over England.

I can only tell you about the ones that my son and daughter have entered and competed at, most of which are in the home counties as we live in Enfield.

The ones we attend, in no particular orders are Royston, Luton, Milton Keyes, Welwyn, Watford, Richmond, Kingston, Ruslip, Beckenham, Hounslow and once at Peterborough.

As Ginny stated, the festivals can be the place that the performers of tomorrow are born, with the youngest competitors starting at the age of 5.

They compete in ballet, modern/jazz, contempary, tap, greek, national, charector, song and dance.

They normaly are grouped by age until they get to some of the senior sections which can be 21 and under.

Most competitors do more than one type of dance and many are also in duets, trios, quartets and groups. My daughter for example has solos in ballet, modern,(Jazz & Lyrical) character, tap, national, song and dance, greek, 4 or 5 duets, 3 trios and is in a number of groups

Senior solos are limited to 2 minutes and up to 5 minutes for a group.

Competition can be intense with some sections having over 30 competiters, all trying to win. The standard can and often is fantastic, with incredible commitment shown by the children, wonderful training and choreography, fantastic (and expensive )costumeing and excellent makeup. Imaginative choreography with well choosen music and themes make many of these "acts" a joy to watch. The interpritation of the theme and music can and does move some of the audiance to tears (and I'm not just talking about watching your own children).

It is very difficult for a parent to write a review as at the end of the day, whilst I try to be objective in assessing the other children in the section that my son or daughter may have competed in, we naturaly want our own child to do well.

For the children it is fantastic as they make some very good friends, gain in confidence and have a hobby, which whilst it is hard work with many hours of practice and learning new dances and perfecting their performances, it gives them something to focus on.

Many progress to full time training at places like Birds, Perfomers, London Studio Centre, Central School of Ballet, the Royal and many more.

Indeed, this is the path that my son has followed and he has just finished his 1st year at Central.

We will be on the audition trail at the end of this year with my daughter who will be trying( with 1000's of others) to get into full tine vocational training.

Many, many of the students in our vocational school have come through the ranks of these festivals and yes, you will see the stars of tomorrow performing at these festivals.

I must mention the parents who spend a huge amount of money on training and costumes, and a huge amount of time taking their children to their dance school and the festivals themselves. I know the huge feeling of pleasure and pride I get from watching my children perform, especially watching them dance together in a ballet and modern duet (whether they have won or not) and I know that all parents are the same.

The organisers of the festivals with their dedicated helpers and of course the ajudicators who have the task of judging these competitors. (whether we agree with their choice or not) They all do a fantastic job, without which there would not be the opportunity for our children to perform in a competetive enviroment and learn some very valuable lessons for their future.

A huge thank you to eveyone that is involved in the festivals


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lara

29-07-01, 05:16 PM (GMT)
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13. "RE: Where were you all????"
In response to message #9
 
  
>The All England Dance festival is
>held at the Peacock theatre
>over 8 days. The
>festival runs every second year
>and this year it ran
>from 21st - 28 July
>culminating with a Young Dancer
>of the Year and Young
>Tap Dancer of the Year
>competitions which would be taking
>place as I write this.

thanks ginny for explaining!

Lara


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Kevin

29-07-01, 09:31 PM (GMT)
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14. "RE: Where were you all????"
In response to message #13
 
   Ferdy
thank you for being such a sensible parent. Not only do I wish your children the very best of luck in whatever field they take,
But also you.
You read like a well ( dance) educated parent.Congratulations.
And once again thank you for describing what its all about!
\\\\\\\meet perhaps sometime
regards Kevin


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Angie DeMello

30-07-01, 04:41 PM (GMT)
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15. "RE: Where were you all????"
In response to message #14
 
   Readers please bare with me I' m a novice at this;Internet ccomputers etc BUT what I witnest on Sat. evening 28th of the "All England Dance" finale was one of the most encouraging signs of what the future may bring,and to boot a brilliantly entertaining night out. It may seem that people have recently been conned into thinking that there is a dirth/lack of talent--NOT SO!! To all those concerned keep up the good work. Those involved in the AED, from performers to funders and organisers have got to be congratulated. The hard slog of all the regionals through to the finals is all worth it- Every contributor is of value, be they "successful" or not. The unfortunate label of competision may scare parents & teachers but the chances that are offererd to these young and determined people can not be denighed.The bigger schools have their place - of course- but all of you (parents especially)who are reluctant to hand over your kids to the establihments need not worry there is a choise!! Let everyone enjoy the experience of dance- as Dame Alicia said (in her speach) that is the most important thing.Anyway GOOD LUCK to those who will be involved in the 20003 festival and many thanks to Kevin for waking some of us up.Ferdy and all those who have contributed to this topic ahuge thanks, and of course BRUCE for giving us a site in which one can air views such as these.


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jane

01-08-01, 05:38 PM (GMT)
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16. "RE: Where were you all????"
In response to message #0
 
   I was there watching and it was very high quality entertainment! I was intrigued by how you judges reach a decision!What do you look for? Do you discuss or just give in your own marks secretly or what??(Or is this meant to be a secret?) I was quite pleased that sometimes I got it "right"!!! All the children looked as if they enjoyed it anyway dancing at the west end is such an experience medal or not.
Am I also right in thinking that you adjudicated at an award at rad or was that another Kevin- its just that we don't often see male judges at local festivals? Could you explain how that award was marked, I didn't understand it. Was the class not taken into consideration, was it just a warm up for the dances because I got that one completely "wrong"!! Also why were there so few candidates and why did the judge who announced the results say that you didn't know what schools the children were from? Sorry if you are a different Kevin!!!!


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Kevin

02-08-01, 02:44 PM (GMT)
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18. "RE: Where were you all????"
In response to message #16
 
   Hey Jane ,So many questions.
But I'll try to answer.
On my first day , 3 judges sat in the dress circle , each is given a list of the dancers and school from where they come from. As we look at the dancers we are asked to note down which one's we think should be placed 1st, 2nd, 3rd etc, we are also asked to place up to six possible places.Each judge then hands the marks to a final adjudicator, hopefully we have all agreed on simillar numbers. if not then the nearest or next best or the final adjudicator has choice.
Does that help?
I think that there should be an award for the "One that Should Have Been"
Any way glad that your evaluation tallied with the judges at the Final.
And yes I was the same Kevin at the RAD earlier in the year.
Regards Kevin Dip PDTD RAD London.


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jane

02-08-01, 04:23 PM (GMT)
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21. "RE: Where were you all????"
In response to message #18
 
   Sorry about all the questions and thanks for giving me a bit of an insight into how it works up there in the elevated world of adjudicatin!! It would be so much better I always think if the children were given more feedback in competitions, rather than just "in first place" etc. I know this would have been practically impossible at the All England finals(although perhaps a small written report wouldn't go amiss). Some of them might go away discouraged and really one of the judges might think they are very promising or have advice to give from a more distanced vantage point than that of the teacher. That was really my point about the rad award;it would have have been more helpful to the young people if each could have been given a resume on strengths and weaknesses so they and the audience can understand and accept the experts' opinions more thoroughly and find the whole experience more useful. I suppose I'm asking judges to jusify themselves more(is this too controversial for the dance world??)or do you not think this would work?? By the way, thanks again for taking the time to answer my questions but I'm still not clear about how the rad award worked and I'm still convinced I was right about that one!!!(Iliked the first girl best -mind you I'm not the expert or the judge but I do so hate it when I get it "wrong"!!! )


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Margaret Lumley

01-08-01, 08:20 PM (GMT)
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17. "RE: Where were you all????"
In response to message #0
 
   Kevin

If we (Ballet.co) had been invited- I would certainly have made an effort to attend and do a review. Sadly these competitions/events/schools invitation lists often do not extend beyond The Dancing Times.

I covered a ballet school's performance at The Lowry earlier this year and though thoroughly enjoyable - was a real eye opener.

Hope this helps
Margaret


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Kevin

02-08-01, 02:47 PM (GMT)
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19. "RE: Where were you all????"
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   Margaret
Sorry that Ballet.co wasn't invited> If I have anything to do with it in 2003 I'll make sure you or Bruce get to see it. If only the last night presentation.
Thanks Kevin


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Ferdy

02-08-01, 04:19 PM (GMT)
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20. "RE: Where were you all????"
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   Kevin,

I think that part of the magic of the All England is seeing all the sections and competitors, not just the ones that are lucky enough to perform on the gala night.

Whilst I know that the event is held over a week and it is a difficult task for someone to watch such a lot of performers, I feel that this is exactly what the All England is all about. Hundreds of children take part, (some spending large amounts of money and travelling hundreds of miles) and they all deserve to be watched. And remember, some fantastic dancers do not win!!!!

You can only appriciate the wealth of talent and commitment there is by seeing all of them perform.

Young dancers need all the encouragement we can give them, after all, some of the senior (16+) competitors have been dancing for over 10 years!!! and at this age they are all rather good.

Sorry to harp on.


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