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Ann Williams

21-07-01, 09:17 PM (GMT)
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"Video's Mini-poll"
 
   The new poll requires some explanation as the question on the form has to be very brief. It concerns the possibility of interactive video screens on the back of seats enabling the audience to freeze the action, zoom in, rewind etc just like on home VCRs. (Thanks to Trog for this idea).

Grateful for any suggestions for the following poll...


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  Subject     Author     Message Date     ID  
  RE: Video's Mini-poll Juliet 22-07-01 1
     RE: Video's Mini-poll Trog Woolley 24-07-01 2
         RE: Video's Mini-poll - a digression Brendan McCarthymoderator 24-07-01 3
             RE: Video's Mini-poll - a digression eugene merrett 25-07-01 4
                 RE: Video's Mini-poll - a digression Jim 25-07-01 5
                     RE: Video's Mini-poll - a digression Alexandra 25-07-01 6
                         RE: Video's Mini-poll - a digression Jim 25-07-01 7
                             RE: Video's Mini-poll - a digression Amy 25-07-01 8
                             RE: Video's Mini-poll - a digression lara 25-07-01 9
                             RE: Video's Mini-poll - a digression Jim 25-07-01 10
                             RE: Video's Mini-poll - a digression Brendan 26-07-01 11
                             RE: Video's Mini-poll - a digression Pete 26-07-01 12
                             RE: Video's Mini-poll - a digression Ann Williams 26-07-01 13
                             RE: Video's Mini-poll - a digression Alexandra 26-07-01 14
  RE: Video's Mini-poll Ann Williams 09-08-01 15

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Juliet

22-07-01, 02:30 PM (GMT)
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1. "RE: Video's Mini-poll"
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   Wouldn't it be intrusive on other members of the audience?, if they did not want to have the lights of a video screen on the back of the neighbours seat?

One advantage is for the seats where you cannot see a thing, (tall seats in the balcony for example?). This way, the people sitting there may have more of a chance enjoying it.

Juliet.


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Trog Woolley

24-07-01, 01:52 PM (GMT)
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2. "RE: Video's Mini-poll"
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   The technology does not have to be distracting for other members of the audience. Low intensity screens LCD screens would allow individuals to see the picture and not allow light to invade someone elses space. There needs to be no difference to the height of the seat. One interesting feature is that is would allow you to see the ballet from several different angles. One could watch from overhead (a la Busby Berkley), or from behind, seeing the soloist from the perspective of a member of the corps.. A naff idea ? Probably, but then they (who ever "they" are) said cinema was a passing fad and would never replace live theatre as a nights entertainment. They also said the same thing about the talkies and discotheques.


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Brendan McCarthymoderator

24-07-01, 05:58 PM (GMT)
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3. "RE: Video's Mini-poll - a digression"
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   Several years ago John Tusa, the Director of the Barbican Centre, wrote an essay about the future of the orchestral concert called "Seeing will be Hearing". He teasingly envisaged high definition TV screens at the side of the concert hall, and an introductory video viewable in the foyer. In the hall, the main TV camera would be fixed throughout on the conductor. Side screens would pick out particular soloists or sections as relevant. At the interval there would be audience interviews, or interviews with critics, a little like the interval of a football match. Then a post concert interview:

Questioner: Well, Clive, how did it go tonight?
Manager: I thought the boys and girls played a blinder. The team work was wonderful, the attack was overwhelming and there was no doubt who came on top - it was Beethoven
Question: What pleased you most about the playing tonight?
Answer: Well I liked the way the themes were distributed so unselfishly. No-one held onto them for too long, each section picked the theme up and ran with it, and it had tremendous drive and passion
Question: Any particular stars tonight?
Answer: Well you've got to single out Andrew Marriner - what a great clarinettist. And of the young stars, well David Pyatt has got to be the best first horn in any British Orchestra.

It has possibilities. You can imagine Judith Mackrell interviewing Ross Stretton post-performance before throwing to a vox-pop of ballet.coers at the side of the Floral Hall.....

But seriously -the experience of going to the ballet has changed. And it will change more. Audiences are more interested in background and explanation - and one cannot but feel that video will become part of the experience in some way, if not necessarily in the Main House ....

John Tusa's "Art Matters", in which the essay appeared, was published by Methuen in 1999. The ISBN is: 0 413 73890 6


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eugene merrett

25-07-01, 12:26 PM (GMT)
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4. "RE: Video's Mini-poll - a digression"
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   When I was in Houston in May (seeing the Houston Operas vastly superior to the Kirov Don Carlos) I noticed very large screens were suspended from the ceiling for the convieniance of the audience in the ampthitheatre. I think that this is a great idea. It would be fantastic for ballet in the Amphitheatre and would I think really bring in the punters.

As for LCD video at every seats - there is no arguement against except cost because if you do not like it then do not use it! But I think that there are bigger priorities for the ROH. But if Albert Vilar wants to install them - then let him do so!


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Jim

25-07-01, 12:38 PM (GMT)
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5. "RE: Video's Mini-poll - a digression"
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   >As for LCD video at every seats - there is no
>arguement against except cost because

Hey, if you can choose the camera angles, maybe there could be a slot where you could slip in a blank cassette and then you could take home your very own personalised souvenir of your evening out. Then you wouldn't have to write notes afterwards, and it would be easier to check bits to write a review for Bruce


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Alexandra

25-07-01, 04:22 PM (GMT)
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6. "RE: Video's Mini-poll - a digression"
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   I think this is a terrific idea. Back of the seats is better than the "surtitles" as we call them here (a marquee-like thing that runs across the top of the proscenium). Surtitles are frequently cited as the reason that attendance at opera has been up in the past decade -- no disrespect intended to The Three Tenors and their many PBS specials, but audiences have responded favorably to seeing translations of what they're hearing.

In ballet, what if the video displayed the dancer's name as s/he came out to do a solo? (And I love Jim's idea of the video. Of course, they could charge for that -- new money maker!)

The article Brendan cited reminds me of Professor Schickle and his PDQ Bach series. He did a play-by-play on the first movement of Beethoven's 5th that is hilarious, and made me think of the possibilities for ballet. I used to have a piece called "A Swan is Down, Ladies and Gentlemen..." but it got lost in one of my computer changes.

The possibilities for back-of-the-seat interactivity are endless. Could we talk back to them? Something on the order of, "Wipe that grin off your face, straighten your shoulders when you turn, please, and remember you're supposed to HATE the fellow"? We could get out a lot of frustrations that way.


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Jim

25-07-01, 04:36 PM (GMT)
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7. "RE: Video's Mini-poll - a digression"
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   >Could we talk back to them? Something on the order of, "Wipe
>that grin off your face, straighten your shoulders when you
>turn, please, and remember you're supposed to HATE the fellow"?

Or even "Can I take you somewhere for dinner after the performance?"


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Amy

25-07-01, 04:56 PM (GMT)
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8. "RE: Video's Mini-poll - a digression"
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   The zooming in could have possibilities too.........


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lara

25-07-01, 05:52 PM (GMT)
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9. "RE: Video's Mini-poll - a digression"
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   I am thinking that I love technology, but too much is too much!

With all the possibilities of zooming and such on a very small screen no less, who will have time to watch the live dance. What if while fiddling around with the video you miss something important on stage? The figures on the screen will be so very small. How to jump back and forth visually between the stage and the screen.

As much as I love seeing ballets on t.v. - sometimes better angle of view, replay the good parts, pause while getting a snack, the drawbacks are just as valid - too small people in any kind of a wide shot (unless one has a really big screen).

And if the guy next to you is playing with his video, won't that kind of extra movement be distracting to the patron that is just sitting still watching?

I see the video screen for opera with less stage movement and where it would be nice to see a close-up of the singers face the video screen could be a nice thing. But not for dance. Too much going on on stage to pay attention to the video screen. May as well stay home and see it on tv.

Just some thoughts...

Lara


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Jim

25-07-01, 10:51 PM (GMT)
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10. "RE: Video's Mini-poll - a digression"
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   >Too much going on on stage to pay attention to the
>video screen. May as well stay home and see it
>on tv.

Just what I ewas thinking! Might as well pay the ROH the price of the ticket and have it piped by cable straight into your TV at home. That way you would save the cost of getting to London, which for me is usually more than the ticket! And you could have your drinks while watching it rather than pushing and shoving at the bar.


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Brendan

26-07-01, 07:47 AM (GMT)
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11. "RE: Video's Mini-poll - a digression"
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   Jim and Alexandra are nudging us towards even more creative solutions. Something along the lines of pre-match graphics, perhaps, with the line-out order of the Swans? Maybe names could move around the screen as the dancers move around the stage, so that when a particular solo stands out, we don't have to ask "Who was that?". And maybe headphones and an in-flight movie if what's happening on stage is too vile for words.


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Pete

26-07-01, 12:49 PM (GMT)
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12. "RE: Video's Mini-poll - a digression"
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   Perhaps if a dancer is performing particularly badly, we could vote them for eviction from the stage.....maybe Davina Macall could operate the trap door?

I'm not too sure about this... the arguments in favour of surtitles for opera make sense, but since opera is a complete pile of knickers, I'll move on.

It would only work for ballet pre-performance and during the intervals giving biogs, history of the production, and of the house etc. During a perfomance is another matter -sitting next to a fidgety person or one who insists on doing their armchair port de bras when you're trying to watch the performance is already an annoying distraction, having someone scanning in the hope of finding 'Match of the Day' will only add to that.


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Ann Williams

26-07-01, 01:22 PM (GMT)
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13. "RE: Video's Mini-poll - a digression"
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   >Perhaps if a dancer is performing particularly badly, we could vote them for eviction from the stage...<

Pete, another of Trog's suggestions was that dancers who failed to please the audience could be hooked off the stage by means of a shepherd's crook around their neck...


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Alexandra

26-07-01, 03:35 PM (GMT)
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14. "RE: Video's Mini-poll - a digression"
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   Unfortunately, the idea of trap doors and hooks -- while undeniably appealling -- might cause problems, since every one of us would want to trap or hook a different dancer and, by the end of the evening, few would remain standing!

But I do think the identification of a dancer as he or she did a solo would work. The way they do it on the news -- show a photo, caption: "John Smith," "Dr. No," or "Mother of accused rapist" as identifier underneath. That would solve the Program Rustling problem (since people would no longer have to pull out flashlights and/or turn pages frantically, trying to find out who's dancing.)


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Ann Williams

09-08-01, 04:14 PM (GMT)
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15. "RE: Video's Mini-poll"
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   Here are the poll results:

Q: Interactive videos on theatre seats?

Totally naff: 58.3%
Worth considering: 20.8%
Excellent idea!: 14.5%
A gimmick: 6.2%
other: 0%

It appears we think seatback videos for ballet-watching is not a good thing
at all. A bit unfair, given that they are designed to be discreet and
invisible to other audience members, but there you go.

I loved some of the suggestion though - Jim's idea of recording the show
yourself for home viewing and Brendan's earphones and alternative selection
of viewing. But think, Brendan - what if you chose to watch a comedy film
and as a result kept bursting into loud guffaws during, say, Giselle...

All this is more prettily(!) available on the Mini-poll page:
http://www.danze.co.uk/survey/balletco_mini_poll.shtml


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