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alice

05-07-01, 10:09 PM (GMT)
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"igor Zelensky...again"
 
   Gosh, wasn't expecting that response! As a dancer myself, I understand the need for a private life, but we have to make sacrifices to satisfy public curiosity.Also, dancer's private lives are betrayed by their passion on stage.

I know he has danced with Lisa before, and merely wondered if this was behind his reason for leaving the Royal.

Wasn't his relationship with Katia public knowledge?

I did not mean to offend anybody,I would never dream of prying for information, I wanted to ascertain whether or not anyone else had heard anything? It was only an innocent inquiry. Hope this has cleared this up, love alice.


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  Subject     Author     Message Date     ID  
  RE: igor Zelensky...again Shirley 06-07-01 1
     RE: igor Zelensky...again j.m. 06-07-01 2
         RE: igor Zelensky...again pmeja 06-07-01 3
             RE: igor Zelensky...again j.m. 06-07-01 4
                 RE: igor Zelensky...again pmeja 06-07-01 5
                 RE: igor Zelensky...again Shirley 06-07-01 6
                     RE: igor Zelensky...again lara 06-07-01 7
                         RE: igor Zelensky...again Pete 06-07-01 8
                             RE: igor Zelensky...again lara 06-07-01 9
                             RE: igor Zelensky...again Pete 06-07-01 10
                             RE: igor Zelensky...again lara 06-07-01 14
                             RE: igor Zelensky...again lara 06-07-01 15
                             RE: ballet gossip Liz P 06-07-01 11
                             RE: ballet gossip martinjay 06-07-01 12
                             RE: ballet gossip Liz P 07-07-01 16
                             RE: ballet gossip Caz 06-07-01 13
  RE: igor Zelensky...again June 09-07-01 17

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Shirley

06-07-01, 00:08 AM (GMT)
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1. "RE: igor Zelensky...again"
In response to message #0
 
   >Gosh, wasn't expecting that response! As
>a dancer myself, I understand
>the need for a private
>life, but we have to
>make sacrifices to satisfy public
>curiosity.

Why?

>Also, dancer's private lives are
>betrayed by their passion on
>stage.
>
>I know he has danced with
>Lisa before, and merely wondered
>if this was behind his
>reason for leaving the Royal.

Igor is a guest with the Royal so not sure where the above is coming from.


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j.m.

06-07-01, 10:40 AM (GMT)
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2. "RE: igor Zelensky...again"
In response to message #1
 
   Well, to resume that was quite a discussion:
I saw Igor on June 22nd night at their hotel door, leaving to a party with Yana Serebryakova from Kirov corps.
In January 2000 he was shown on Russian television discussing his prospective marriage (not mentioning with whom) with his mother.
Those are facts I witnessed. No other comments.


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pmeja

06-07-01, 12:15 PM (GMT)
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3. "RE: igor Zelensky...again"
In response to message #2
 
   LAST EDITED ON 06-07-01 AT 12:16 PM (GMT)

i was once photographed at a party with farukh ruzimatov, but it doesn't mean we were dating!


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j.m.

06-07-01, 01:29 PM (GMT)
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4. "RE: igor Zelensky...again"
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   Being photographed together is one thing; walking clasped in an embrace is another...
(Sorry for not have mentioned this detail before)


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pmeja

06-07-01, 01:57 PM (GMT)
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5. "RE: igor Zelensky...again"
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   LAST EDITED ON 06-07-01 AT 01:58 PM (GMT)

we were dancing....

no seriously, i just have to say i don't believe it's appropriate unless you're a newspaper gossip columnist, whereupon it might be inappropriate but it would be expected.


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Shirley

06-07-01, 03:13 PM (GMT)
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6. "RE: igor Zelensky...again"
In response to message #4
 
   >Being photographed together is one thing;
>walking clasped in an embrace
>is another...
>(Sorry for not have mentioned this
>detail before)


I'm sorry but if you read the other thread this is not appropriate! If Igor wants details of his private life announced then he will and it is not for you to gossip about! We could all tell a few tales about dancers but don't because we respect thier privacy which you haven't!!


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lara

06-07-01, 06:14 PM (GMT)
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7. "RE: igor Zelensky...again"
In response to message #6
 
   >>Being photographed together is one thing;
>>walking clasped in an embrace
>>is another...
>>(Sorry for not have mentioned this
>>detail before)
>
>
>I'm sorry but if you read
>the other thread this is
>not appropriate!

Just to take an opposing view here...if people want to discuss whomever's private life then they should be free to do so without others jumping on them...if no one wants to respond to questions about a dancer’s personal life then they don't have to — nor do they have to become involved in the discussion.

If a question or statement goes unanswered because the rest think it is inapporpriate, the thread will die on its own.

We live in a world where the private lives public figures are subject to talk — right or wrong that is just the way it is. If the majority of the public didn't want to know about who is dating whom then tabloid magazines would not exist.

I am not saying gossip is a necessary part of this board, but that it is human nature.

If folks were only interesed in dancer A’s tiny feet or dancer B’s great partnering then articles that dwell on which Kirov dancer bought a mink coat to match her hair would NOT get read.

People can participate or not — that is their choice.

Only those that live in glass houses can afford to throw stones.


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Pete

06-07-01, 06:48 PM (GMT)
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8. "RE: igor Zelensky...again"
In response to message #7
 
   lara

Your championing for the doctrine of 'freedom of speech' is commendable but how about the doctrine of 'civil liberty?'

A line needs to be drawn when subjects threaten to invade people's basic right to go about their private business in private -none of us like to be gossiped about, and why should those in the public eye be treated any differently. Surely they deserve some respect in return for this wonderful art they give us.

As you have stated, there are numerous trashy publications for the gossip-hungry to feed upon without the dumping this forum in the same trash can.


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lara

06-07-01, 07:11 PM (GMT)
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9. "RE: igor Zelensky...again"
In response to message #8
 
   >lara
>
>Your championing for the doctrine of
>'freedom of speech' is commendable
>but how about the doctrine
>of 'civil liberty?'
>
>A line needs to be drawn
>when subjects threaten to invade
>people's basic right to go
>about their private business in
>private
-none of us like
>to be gossiped about, and
>why should those in the
>public eye be treated any
>differently. Surely they deserve
>some respect in return for
>this wonderful art they give
>us.
>
>As you have stated, there are
>numerous trashy publications for the
>gossip-hungry to feed upon without
>the dumping this forum in
>the same trash can.

If you read again what I wrote — I was not saying that this forum should be in the same trash can with tabloids,

•••••• but rather that one poster should not castigate another for their inquiry. •••••••

Who is the perfect arbiter for what is acceptable and what is not?

What is ok for you may be inappropriate in my eyes and vice versa.

My point is that if a thread is deemed tasteless by the majority and no one wants to respond, then that thread will die on its own — without someone else being judgemental.

As I said,only those who live in glass houses can throw stones.



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Pete

06-07-01, 09:21 PM (GMT)
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10. "RE: igor Zelensky...again"
In response to message #9
 
   >If you read again what I
>wrote — I was not
>saying that this forum should
>be in the same trash
>can with tabloids,

Glad to see we agree on something!

>•••••• but rather that one poster
>should not castigate another for
>their inquiry. •••••••

I agree that one should not be rude, and some of the comments do seem quite harsh, but this is obviously a subject many felt just a little too personal....

>Who is the perfect arbiter for
>what is acceptable and what
>is not?

In this instance, Igor would be the 'perfect arbiter', but since his participation is unlikely, I suggest that those who post on this site are the next best thing. Posters for this particular topic have made their feelings democratically clear that the original post was a little inappropriate...not many thought it was acceptable.

>What is ok for you may
>be inappropriate in my eyes
>and vice versa.

Absolutely true of course, but this forum should invite a debate of this kind.....

>My point is that if a
>thread is deemed tasteless by
>the majority and no one
>wants to respond, then that
>thread will die on its
>own — without someone else
>being judgemental.

The length of these two posts on this particular subject suggest that controversial threads will not simply die on their own. People do tend to respond if the subject is slightly controversial.

>As I said,only those who live
>in glass houses can throw
>stones.

If you mean that no-one is perfect, then of course I agree!
Let he who has not sinned cast the first stone at the glasshouse etc....



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lara

06-07-01, 10:28 PM (GMT)
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14. "RE: igor Zelensky...again"
In response to message #10
 
   Pete,

>If you mean that no-one is
>perfect, then of course I
>agree!
>Let he who has not sinned
>cast the first stone at
>the glasshouse etc....

that's it exactly!!!!!


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lara

06-07-01, 10:38 PM (GMT)
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15. "RE: igor Zelensky...again"
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   Pete...in addendum

>>> Posters
>for this particular topic have
>made their feelings democratically clear
>that the original post was
>a little inappropriate...not many thought
>it was acceptable.

Then why was it necessary to stomp on the poster? If the subject inappropriate why not just ignore it?

..snipped...

>The length of these two posts
>on this particular subject suggest
>that controversial threads will not
>simply die on their own.
> People do tend to
>respond if the subject is
>slightly controversial.

Was the subject itself controversial - asking for personal info - or was the controversy over the appropriateness of the posting?

I agree that a controversial subject can create a long thread, but the length of these two threads was not based on the original subject per se ( who is Igor seeing) but rather on damning the poster of that message...others deciding what is and isn't acceptable.

There in lies the rub for me. I am capable of deciding what I want to read or if I want to respond...I don't need thread police to tell me if a subject is appropriate...but I do love a good debate!

Lara


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Liz P

06-07-01, 09:29 PM (GMT)
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11. "RE: ballet gossip"
In response to message #9
 
   I think this is fascinating! A real display of a clash of cultures, values etc. What strikes me is that ballet-goers are not all 'Radio 3''types'.If you are someone who reads the tabloids but adores ballet how do you enjoy ballet in your own style? I consider myself to approach my ballet obsession like a football fan -I want the programme, the scarf, the video and I want 'dance of the day' highlights on a Saturday evening showing me everything that's being going on. If you are into dance there is NOTHING to feed that interest- no magazine (unless you count the trade mags, full of adverts and written with a tone straight from 1950), no TV coverage, almost nothing video'd etc. For this reason this site is almost the only thing that keeps many of us sane. I agree that uninteresting posts will fade and people soon learn the tone of posts expected, but I feel there are too many on this site who jump down new posters throats in a way which will only take their confidence away. It would be a shame if we only heard the voices of those who can post in the tone of Celia Johnson.


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martinjay

06-07-01, 09:54 PM (GMT)
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12. "RE: ballet gossip"
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   Please advise who or what are 'Radio 3"types'


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Liz P

07-07-01, 00:05 AM (GMT)
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16. "RE: ballet gossip"
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   What a challenge! I take it you object to the notion that people like to receive and experience art/media and culture in different ways? People have already talked here of 'tabloid readers'. I imply no inherent criticism of 'Radio 3' but you must admit that the range of BBC radio stations vary hugely in tone and style. In my opinion most discussion of ballet takes place within the style that I describe as 'Radio 3' whilst much of the discussion of the recent Madonna concert was either in 'Radio 2' or 'Radio 1' tone (apart from newsnight tonight which took a radio 3 approach)! My point was that the people visiting this site will appreciate a broad range of ways of discussing ballet. To lay my cards on the table-I'm a 'radio 4 type'.


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Caz

06-07-01, 10:17 PM (GMT)
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13. "RE: ballet gossip"
In response to message #11
 
   >I think this is fascinating! A
>real display of a clash
>of cultures, values etc. What
>strikes me is that ballet-goers
>are not all 'Radio 3''types'.If
>you are someone who reads
>the tabloids but adores ballet
>how do you enjoy ballet
>in your own style? I
>consider myself to approach my
>ballet obsession like a football
>fan -I want the programme,
>the scarf, the video and
>I want 'dance of the
>day' highlights on a Saturday
>evening showing me everything that's
>being going on. If you
>are into dance there is
>NOTHING to feed that interest-
>no magazine (unless you count
>the trade mags, full of
>adverts and written with a
>tone straight from 1950), no
>TV coverage, almost nothing video'd
>etc. For this reason
>this site is almost the
>only thing that keeps many
>of us sane. I agree
>that uninteresting posts will fade
>and people soon learn the
>tone of posts expected, but
>I feel there are too
>many on this site who
>jump down new posters throats
>in a way which will
>only take their confidence away.
>It would be a shame
>if we only heard the
>voices of those who can
>post in the tone of
>Celia Johnson.

Couldn't agree more! My two passions are Rugby League and dance... and I find that usually the RL fans are the open-minded ones who are tolerant of other people's opinions, rather than the ballet-goers. One day maybe ballet will shake off its elitist image, but it has a long way to go yet. I reckon ballet needs more scarf waving supporters like you Liz!



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June

09-07-01, 11:21 AM (GMT)
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17. "RE: igor Zelensky...again"
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   Dear Alice,

I am sorry you had such a heated response! I never read biographies of dancers, unless they have written them themselves, and can't bear the tabloid press, though of course as we know certain film stars and DJs will do anything to get featured on the cover in some kind of "romance" however rediculous! I feel dancers on the whole are more reserved and we should respect their privacy, although I do belong to two ballet associations and I am afaid that when we all meet together we are all very interested indeed at who was sitting next to who, at whatever event it may have been! Quite wrong I am sure, but frail human nature may be?


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