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Terry

21-06-01, 01:53 AM (GMT)
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"RBS performance"
 
   Anyone go to the RBS performance? I thought it was last night?


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  RE: RBS performance garethh 21-06-01 1
     RE: RBS performance Helen 21-06-01 2
         RE: RBS performance Terry Amos 21-06-01 3
             RE: RBS performance--terry amos Jeanette 22-06-01 20
         RE: RBS performance Josh 21-06-01 5
     RE: RBS performance peter 21-06-01 6
  RE: RBS performance 734 21-06-01 4
     RE: RBS performance anon 21-06-01 7
         RE: RBS performance Jane N. 21-06-01 8
             RE: RBS performance Helen 21-06-01 9
                 RE: RBS performance Lottie 21-06-01 10
                     RE: RBS performance Guy 21-06-01 12
                         RE: RBS performance Terry 22-06-01 16
                         RE: RBS performance anna 22-06-01 18
             RE: RBS performance anon 21-06-01 11
                 RE: RBS performance anonymity 21-06-01 13
                     RE: RBS performance Helen 21-06-01 14
                     RE: RBS performance adrian 22-06-01 19
                     RE: RBS performance Bruce Madmin 24-06-01 28
  RE: RBS performance Terry 21-06-01 15
     RE: RBS performance Susie Crow 22-06-01 17
         RE: RBS performance Guy 23-06-01 21
             RE: RBS performance Shirley 23-06-01 22
             RE: RBS performance meru 23-06-01 23
                 RE: RBS performance Guy 23-06-01 25
                     RE: RBS performance Terry 23-06-01 26
                     RE: RBS performance Patricia 25-06-01 29
                         RE: RBS performance gordon 28-06-01 33
                         RE: RBS performance gordon 28-06-01 34
                 RE: RBS performance Sasha 04-07-01 42
                 RE: RBS performance Sandy 05-07-01 43
             RE: RBS performance Bekky 28-06-01 32
                 RE: RBS performance Tony 28-06-01 35
             RE: RBS performance george 30-06-01 40
  RE: RBS performance Jonny 23-06-01 24
     RE: RBS performance Helen 23-06-01 27
         RE: RBS performance Jonny 25-06-01 30
             RE: RBS performance Helen 25-06-01 31
             RE: RBS performance Laura 29-06-01 36
                 RE: RBS performance barry 30-06-01 37
                     RE: RBS performance Jonny 30-06-01 39
                         RE: RBS performance barry and laura 30-06-01 41
                 RE: RBS performance Anna 30-06-01 38
                     RE: RBS performance Terry Amos 05-07-01 44
                         RE: RBS performance Caroline Ferreira 05-07-01 45
                             RE: RBS performance Susan D 05-07-01 46
                             RE: RBS performance Caroline Ferreira 06-07-01 47
                             RE: RBS performance susan 07-07-01 48
                             RE: RBS performance Terry Amos 07-07-01 49
                             RE: RBS performance Caroline Ferreira 07-07-01 51
                             RE: RBS performance Anonymous student 08-07-01 52
                             RE: RBS performance Ann Williams 08-07-01 53
                             RE: RBS performance Helen 08-07-01 54
                             RE: RBS performance Trevor 08-07-01 56
                             RE: RBS performance Anna 08-07-01 55
                             RE: RBS performance amelia 08-07-01 57
                             RE: RBS performance Shirley 08-07-01 58
                         RE: RBS performance Jane W 07-07-01 50
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garethh

21-06-01, 08:37 AM (GMT)
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1. "RE: RBS performance"
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   yes, it was disappointing to say the least, considering we are supposed to be seeing a school improving under new director.

Lower school were messy and unorganised---

Upperschool only showed the usual favourites- most poeple were moaning about why we had to be fed with the same students -stuck up our noses yet again year after year-there is definitely talent there which is not being allowed to be seen or developed

audience was only half full----!

perhaps if they started to allow the British talent- hidden away in the back rows- to develop a bit, the director would not need to go poaching all over the world to improve the school's image.

They can't fool the public all of the time


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Helen

21-06-01, 10:31 AM (GMT)
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2. "RE: RBS performance"
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   Well, I can't say I agree with Gareth. I thought there was a definite improvement from last year, and though I'm sure there is hidden (so far) talent there, there was plenty of genuine talent on show. I thought the Thai girl was remarkable - in fact I thought all three girls in The Dance of the Hours were very good. Please will someone tell me who was the girl in pink and who in blue? I know their names but not who was who. Plenty of potential among the boys, too.

The "usual favourites", as you put it, are all "favourites" - loaded word - for good reasons, I feel, and I was delighted to see them again.


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Terry Amos

21-06-01, 11:52 AM (GMT)
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3. "RE: RBS performance"
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   I agree with everything Helen says. I enjoyed it no end and would happily watch it all over again.

I totally disagree with more or less everything garetth says. By "favourites" he must mean the ones the School regards as the most promising dancers. Naturally they are the ones given the leading roles. What else does he expect?


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Jeanette

22-06-01, 10:12 PM (GMT)
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20. "RE: RBS performance--terry amos"
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Gareth does have a valid point about 'favourites'.

Tuesday's performance had some strange discrepancies!

How can it have been an accurate representation of the school's best talent?

For example, the girl who did the Minuet in the Kreisler Variation was adequate but souless. She was only a semi-finalist in the Genee awards!!

Where were the Genee Finalists & Prix de Lausanne girl? Where was the Paul Clarke Brit who has won loads of awards? Barely visible. Strange eh?


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Josh

21-06-01, 12:10 PM (GMT)
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5. "RE: RBS performance"
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   Helen,

The Thai girl is not a product of RBS training. She has only been in country for couple of months. Totally trained in own country. To pass this off as RBS training is dishonest and misleading .Dont know which was which out of pink @ blue-- but taller one was very uncontrolled -

Favourites can be so, for many underlying reasons-- need to see NEW and various potential being encouraged & developed- otherwise school not fullfilling its true function--merely controlling the market.

There were many very talented pupils given insignificant 'stage decoration ' parts who are capable of much more- but never given the time or opportunity.


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peter

21-06-01, 12:44 PM (GMT)
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6. "RE: RBS performance"
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Gareth has a point.

This is a school, the purpose of which is to develop All the talent it has collected, to its full potential.

If it clearly keeps churning out the same old favourite pupils in lead roles- it is publicly failing to develop the rest. If the rest are not good enough ---then why are they there--- using up large amounts of public & private funding ? They are clearly only there for the income they generate.

It is not a company-- we do not go to see the same old favourites - we want to see New Potential which this country has funded for years -- no wonder the theatre was half empty.


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734

21-06-01, 12:04 PM (GMT)
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   I wonder whether Gareth was actually at the performance? Old favourites? Well, if you consider the national dances from White Lodge yes, they were there, but all the works for the older students have never been seen here on the stage before. How they can be old favourites I don't know.

I actually feel the works performed suit students better as they aren't thrown on trying to be a Princess Aurora or Odette which requires a lot of experience and artistry, which they are not always ready for at such a young age. And the leading dancers are going to be similar from last year - the best ones deservedly get the lead roles. That is what life is like in a company. I mean, does anyone complain "Oh it's Sarah Wildor again tonight". Absolute rubbish.

The School has improved tenfold since the change of Directorship - just to look at the final defile is evidence of that. Young talent, with a lot of British dancers there leading the works is greatly refreshing and exciting for British dance.

Long may this continue, and I am certainly looking forward to their further performances at the Linbury Theatre in July.


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anon

21-06-01, 01:50 PM (GMT)
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7. "RE: RBS performance"
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   It would be lovely to know where all the RBS graduating students (appearing on Tuesday afternoon), are going to continue their careers. Which ones are going to remain with companies here in the UK and which ones have found employment elsewhere.


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Jane N.

21-06-01, 03:25 PM (GMT)
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8. "RE: RBS performance"
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   CF: It would be lovely if you and others didn't keep posting messages without a name or ident attached. "Anon" is just a bit irritating and, I would have thought, totally un-necessary. Why do you want to remain anonymous?


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Helen

21-06-01, 04:42 PM (GMT)
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9. "RE: RBS performance"
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   Josh -

I know that the Thai girl hasn't been here long - anyone who keeps up with these performances will know she wasn't here last year. There are others as well who are new. Unless they put biographies of everyone this isn't going to be obvious. But she was still remarkable, and deserves the credit. She is still at White Lodge, and presumably thought the school worth coming to! She also won a Genee gold medal.

True talent, if it really is lurking in the back rows, will emerge in the end. It always does.


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Lottie

21-06-01, 06:57 PM (GMT)
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10. "RE: RBS performance"
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   The Thai girl is called "Ommi" (she has a wonderful Thai name albeit totally unpronounceable - sorry). She was in yesterdays evening standard posing outside the ROH in a blue tutu and looked lovely. Lets hope that all the RBS students have enjoyed performing and hope that they do well later on...


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Guy

21-06-01, 08:23 PM (GMT)
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12. "RE: RBS performance"
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   In dance of the hours, the girl in pink was Romany Garrett-pajdak, the girl in blue Elizabeth Harrod; both are true British Royalists if ever there were any and have been at the school for at least five years.
I was performing on tuesday and failed to notice the audience was 'half full'- this must be an exaggeration since from where I stood I could not see a single empty seat, apart from a few in the upper slips, and the deafening noise the audience made at the end of the defile could not possibly have been made from a half empty auditorium.
As for 'favouratism' and unfair distribution of parts I have two arguments; the first is that unfortunately, in a heirarchical, dogmatic and opinionated profession such as ours 'fair' is an extinct word and in fact always has been. I would give anything for parts to be distributed according to who is most deserving, committed and eager. However members of the public pay to see someone who is able, not eager and unfortunately these two characteristics are rarely paired off in equal measures. I do agree that talent is often overlooked, and the administration are not always able to see past the realms of their pre-determined 'favourites', however I can honestly say that this was NOT the case on the Tuesday matinee, which brings me to my second argument; EACH AND EVERY ONE OF THE GRADUATING STUDENTS GOT A CHANCE TO SHINE. I dare say this is a first in the history of the school, but that would obviously be a presumptuous remark since my knowledge does not go further back than last year.
Equally, most of you would probably be surprised to learn that practically all of the casting decisions for the matinee were not determined by the administration at all, but by the respective choreographers of each piece ('Souvenirs' by Wheeldon excluded), who were given the oppurtunity to pick their dancers based on watching every class in the school.
Finally, I feel it is utterly ridiculous to claim it is 'dishonest' and 'misleading' to showcase the most talented girl in the school in a piece perfectly suited for her. What narrow mindedness to claim only students who have trained for a certain period of time have the priveledge of being seen! I don't hear anyone complaining about the meteoric rise of Alina Cojocaru over less talented people in the company who have trained at white lodge since they were ten, rather I hear comparisons to Margot Fonteyn and analogies with 'the future of BRITISH ballet'- who cares where anyone has trained before if they are capable of stirring emotion and excitement in an audience. If anything would be 'unfair' or 'dishonest' it would be to keep a stunning gem such as Nutnaree (Ommi)in the back line because she trained in Thailand, rather than proudly show off all the talent our eclectic school has to offer.
The Royal Ballet has made clear over the past few years the very international way it is going. I feel it is time the school matched the international demands, so that at least we may have the priveledge of saying some day in the future that most of the talent in the Royal Ballet passed through the school, something we are certainly not able to say at present. Natnaree will join upper school next year, possibly to ondergo three more years of training before joining the company; we must not forget she will then be ten times a more 'honest' representation of the royal ballet than at least half the current female principals.

As for graduating students and companies, let me fill you in: Bethany Keating and Laura Mccullough, recieved the only coveted RB contracts two months ago and so did not appear on tuesday since they are no longer members of the school. (though I suspect there is one more contract waiting for Kenta Shimizu who is as yet unemployed since he refused to audition for any other company except royal). Jenny Murphy and Virginia Brousse de Gersigney join BRB, Carl Coomer Houston Ballet, Mark Kelly Scottish Ballet, Nandita Shankardass Zurich Ballet, Cornell Callender, Fernando Buffalo and Elaine Wright ENB, Eryck Brahmania Hong Kong ballet, Christopher Harrison Munich Ballet, Sarah Medley Royal Swedish, Andrea Shermoley Boston ballet And i'm not sure about the rest, though I'm sure Diane Gray has a contract somewhere prestigious. pretty encouraging, huh?

P.S Helen, are you by any chance the lovely woman I met by the statue an hour before the show?


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Terry

22-06-01, 04:46 AM (GMT)
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16. "RE: RBS performance"
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   Thanks for all the information Guy. How could Kenta Shimizu have "refused" to not take anything else besides RB? RB is a fine company, but there are so many wonderful companies out there too. I also think he's more suited to perform "contemporary" roles and so the strong classic repertory in RB (IMO) won't suit him very much. I'm not generalizing here (because it really is true), but I do think that many Japanese young dancers are overly too "intent" on getting into the RB. I'm not saying that this is bad, but they should understand that there are other amazing companies out there. And that sometimes, these young dancers look better in other companies.


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anna

22-06-01, 09:38 PM (GMT)
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18. "RE: RBS performance"
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Dear Guy,
You need to see an eye specialist!
The theatre was MORE than half empty.
Creeping to curry favour is most inappropriate in your situation.
You will gradually realise that the establishment has no sense of loyalty towards those it uses and then discards---like toilet paper.
Whitewashing and papering over cracks is the name of the game.
Hope you become less gullible and naive- otherwise you're going to get hurt- very quickly
all the best
anna


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anon

21-06-01, 07:55 PM (GMT)
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11. "RE: RBS performance"
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   Dear Jane N (?)

I don't mind what you call yourself, I go by many 'handles' - depending on the mood - and where I happen to be, and when I am posting. It doesn't alter the hopefully positive input. Lets be 'adult' about this and stick to the subject shall we?

Any comments on the subject from you Bruce?


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anonymity

21-06-01, 08:38 PM (GMT)
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13. "RE: RBS performance"
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   In my haste to dispense with the trivia from Jane N, I (momentarily) overlooked commenting on the very honest and thoughtful posting by Guy. I was not at the show but a friend was, who has attened for years and he enjoyed it very much. He was also puzzled by the 'half-empty' remark.


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Helen

21-06-01, 08:52 PM (GMT)
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14. "RE: RBS performance"
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   Thank you for your very interesting posting, Guy. I'm afraid I wasn't the lovely lady - I have met people by the statue before now, but not this time.

I did notice some very elegant and dashing young men in the Tango! Several familiar names! I just about recognised James, but not the others, unfortunately.

I had noticed that Bethany Keating is in the company now - well deserved, I think. Thanks for the information about the other contracts.


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adrian

22-06-01, 09:43 PM (GMT)
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19. "RE: RBS performance"
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your friend should have looked at the stalls ,stalls circle and balcony+ grand tier-- never seen it so empty in all the years I have been to this matinee

Something going wrong here.


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Bruce Madmin

24-06-01, 02:19 AM (GMT)
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28. "RE: RBS performance"
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   >In my haste to dispense with
>the trivia from Jane N,
>I (momentarily) overlooked commenting on...

I've been away for a few days and not had the opportunity to see or even comment on this before.

1) Its obviously better if people talk sensibly and respectfully to issues rather than dismissing others reasonable views in quite such a cavalier and distasteful fashion

2) Even worse it's very sad that you also do this while posting anonymously. We don't force people to register on this board in order to make posting as easy as possible for casual visitors. It's *not* so that people can make snide and thoughtless comments about others while hidden away. If you post here regularly you should enter into the true spirit of these forums and post under a proper name. Its cowardly to hide and merely devalues all your arguments.



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Terry

21-06-01, 09:54 PM (GMT)
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15. "RE: RBS performance"
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   May I ask the names of all the Japanese students enrolled in RBS at this moment? I know that Kenta Shimizu is there...isn't Kumiko Tsuji there also? Is she graduating this year or later?


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Susie Crow

22-06-01, 09:12 AM (GMT)
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17. "RE: RBS performance"
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   I was not able to go to the matinee because I knew nothing about it until too late. I did hear that it was relatively poorly attended with plenty of spare seats. I also note that there was no Royal Ballet repertoire in the programme, nothing from the company's heritage, and nothing of dramatic content. Surely as part of their education students in the school should get the chance to experience in rehearsal and performance something from this great body of work. The year I graduated the matinee included MacMillan's Concerto, a new ballet by Peter Wright and Ashton's Jazz Calendar; at further performances in Richmond and Holland Park we did Les Rendezvous. The previous year's matinee had included MacMillan's Solitaire and The Dream, and there was also a revival of Andree Howard's La Fete Etrange and a new work by Alfred Rodriguez. It was one of the highlights of my two years at the upper school getting the chance to learn, rehearse and perform in works of this calibre.


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Guy

23-06-01, 08:56 AM (GMT)
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21. "RE: RBS performance"
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   Anna, what do you mean by 'creeping to curry favour is most innapropriate in your situation'?
Oh, and thanks for the tip, but I think someone who is more in the need of an eye specialist is Jeanette, who asked 'where were the Genee finalists?'. Did she not notice that all of the prizewinners were showcased in a solo role? If this was not the case for all the finalists, you must remember that the duration of the performance cannot go on forever (especially since last year was deemed too long) and surely the graduating students (largely Genee finalists from the year before) should get preference over those two years younger than they?
Anyway, if you didn't realise this, the judges of any competition in which RBS students compete are not in any way on the admistrative team of the school- this would be highly unfair to the outside contestants. So why would you expect their opinions to be similar? I dare say many of the semi-finalists of the Genee were in my opinion far better than some of the finalists, for example the girl who danced Minuet who is clearly a star in the making. So why do you think a girl like this should be held back just because of other people's opinions who have nothing to do with the school anyway? regardless, she had been cast by the chilean choreographer Ricardo Bustamente, who clearly knew what type of dancer he wanted in that role and certainly couldn't care less that she 'was only a semi-finalist'.
As for the 'paul clarke brit who won loads of awards', if by any case you mean Jamie Bond who won British dancer of the year and is now representing britain in the Eurovision dance contest he never actually competed in 'paul clarke' and anyway he did not appear onstage presumably due to his injury- he was being saved for the competition yesterday.
As for japanese students in the school, besides those mentioned (including Kumiko) are Yuh Egami and Enri shiga.


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Shirley

23-06-01, 10:51 AM (GMT)
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22. "RE: RBS performance"
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   I would have loved to been there but like many others I know, I had to go to work! Why was this not scheduled for a Saturday when a lot more people would have had the chance to attend!


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meru

23-06-01, 07:26 PM (GMT)
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23. "RE: RBS performance"
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   Thanks Guy. For all the respectable informations and I can not agree with you more. But just one correction-- Anri Shiga(ex.white lodge+Upper school)instead of Enri!!
Good Luck for your performances in Linbury!!


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Guy

23-06-01, 09:20 PM (GMT)
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25. "RE: RBS performance"
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   Jeanette, I just realized you must have meant Emma Maguire, who did indeed win the 'Paul Clarke and loads of other awards'. I still beg to differ with your opinion since I wouldn't call a principal role in Kreisler variations barely visible. If you want to see even more of her she will be dancing the lead girl in souvenirs in the lindbury performances, as well as the principal part in pas de cinq from sleeping beauty act 3, and a major part in the contemporary piece. Not quite what I would call 'barely visible'.

Terry, I would like to expose your rash generalisation for what it was; neither of my japanese friends are 'overly intent' of being accepted into the Royal Ballet, rather they have a broad, realistic perspective of the many companies out there, and aim to audition for as many of them as they can. There is no general difference in their approach to that of other nationalities and I am afraid it is generalising to say that there is.
Kenta Shimizu has chosen to stick it out and wait for RB, like many extremely talented dancers who know what they want. Whether his choice was good or bad time will tell, but if I were him I know I would have nothing to worry about. I cannot imagine many companies who would turn him down. (If anything was unjust about Tuesday's casting it is that he was not given a role which showed off his technically brilliant and stylish dancing)


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Terry

23-06-01, 09:35 PM (GMT)
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26. "RE: RBS performance"
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   Guy -- thank you for the clarification. I appreciate all the information that you (I assume you are a student?) provided.
I still think though that the RB will get more competitive for Japanese male dancers, as there are many of them. There's another one who just won Lausanne apprenticeship (Ryoichi Hirano) entering this season. But good luck to Kenta!


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Patricia

25-06-01, 12:28 PM (GMT)
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29. "RE: RBS performance"
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   Guy...it`s really interesting to hear from you about what people
from White Lodge will be doing next year...we have been going to
the end of year performances there for the last couple of years
but couldn`t get tickets this year which is really disappointing.
So please keep us all up to date from time to time! I hope to get
to the Linbury in July!
Thanks, Patricia


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gordon

28-06-01, 09:45 PM (GMT)
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33. "RE: RBS performance"
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   patricia,
there were loads of spare tickets ; even the £3.00 seats were still available . Sorry you missed it ;they had spare seats at all prices left unfilled.


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gordon

28-06-01, 09:46 PM (GMT)
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34. "RE: RBS performance"
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   patricia,
there were loads of spare tickets ; even the £3.00 seats were still available . Sorry you missed it ;they had spare seats at all prices left unfilled.


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Sasha

04-07-01, 08:24 AM (GMT)
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42. "RE: RBS performance"
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What is being shown at the Lindbuy? the box office do not know. They thought it was the same programme each night and for families of pupils only.


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Sandy

05-07-01, 03:31 PM (GMT)
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43. "RE: RBS performance"
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Does anyone know what is being done at Linbury?.Box office have

no idea about who is doing what on what night/ performance.

They seem to think it is mainly for parents & friends too!

Not much good if you only want to see certain pupils.


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Bekky

28-06-01, 06:52 PM (GMT)
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32. "RE: RBS performance"
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   Dear Guy

I went to Upper School & have just returned from a company tour.

I feel your comments are somewhat misguided.

It is not always the best students who strike lucky with the favouritism & consequent main parts.

Obviously they are competent, but not necessaruly the most gifted,who are sometimes deliberately overlooked. Many political factors come into play.

Some pupils have influential teachers and contacts in the Biz, who fit in with the Directors hidden agenda.A pupils former school can have a strong control over who is promoted as they "supply " the pupils.Money & donations for new school building also help certain pupils get pushed to front.

I had a friend who was at school with me who was a Genee Gold Medalist of amazing talent-but Stock did not like her and she was largely ignored (why she invited her to join the school we can only speculate!)She was hardly used in performances.After a while she was given so little to do she left--in spite of being far superior to those who were her favourites- we lost a beautiful , powerful, artistic & musical dancer- wasted!!!

So ,you see, sometimes it is better to be supersuper thin with high extensions and pushy teachers behind you -than beautiful ,expressive, musical and a pleasure & joy to watch.

This is probably why there is such a frenzy in the school to starve onesself as she puts too much emphasis on physique -largely ignoring the true artistry of ballet & also one or two highly talented dancers whom she is determined to keep back.

The consequenses of this are that the company will end up yet again having to "Import"-- as what she pushes forward peaks too early and fails to possess the true qualities of artistry & musicality needed to really sustain a ballerina.

Tragedy for British ballet allowed to continue -unless we see and try to prevent wastage.
How can we curb the fact that one person can have such a devastating control on the Biz????


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Tony

28-06-01, 10:00 PM (GMT)
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35. "RE: RBS performance"
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Thankyou for making such valid points, Bekky.

It would be most helpful if the governors of the school and company would realise that they should take a more active role in overseeing what is going on instead of assuming everything is a bed of roses!

Really they owe it to the pupils and students and the Government , who fund it to make sure that noone is cheated here.

There are bound to be problems where one person is given so much power and control to choose who and what to favour ---with no questions asked --especially in such a subjective line .

there needs to be an objective group to oversee fair play as this is such an important school.

I believe this is done in other countries.
Logical really.


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george

30-06-01, 08:38 PM (GMT)
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40. "RE: RBS performance"
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message to Guy ,

I do not believe you are who you say you are!

If you are , then why were you gutted the other day, when you found out that the admin had refused to allow one or two of the second cast main roles of Kreislert Variations to perform at Linbury.

I thought your anger and frustration were so genuine - you were insensed at the injustice.

We are concerned & hope you are not two faced.


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Jonny

23-06-01, 09:04 PM (GMT)
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24. "RE: RBS performance"
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   I can only reinforce everything Guy has said. Well done Guy for getting all the correct points across! I'd also like to add that the Linbury Season has a purpose of letting everyone shine and experience bigger roles on stage, particularly from the Upper School. More than one cast is used for the 5 nights we have and I'm sure it will be just as exciting. Not forgetting that a new progamme will be introduced with new peices!


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Helen

23-06-01, 10:57 PM (GMT)
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27. "RE: RBS performance"
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   I thought that Jeanette must mean Samara Downs, who won Paul Clarke this year - didn't she? - and has won other things as well.

Incidentally, there is a nice, though small, photo of Nutnaree in the June Dancing Times. (Eventually, I may even learn to spell her surname.)


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Jonny

25-06-01, 06:25 PM (GMT)
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30. "RE: RBS performance"
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   Samara is second cast for some of the principal roles and she also got to be the exchange student , visiting the Paris Opera ballet school. So she has been busy!
I'd also like to point out that the photo in the DT is not of Nutnatree but of Natasha Kusen (first year upper School)- mistake also made in Dance Europe.


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Helen

25-06-01, 09:05 PM (GMT)
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31. "RE: RBS performance"
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   Well, she looks lovely, whoever she is. How infuriating for both of them!


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Laura

29-06-01, 07:35 PM (GMT)
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36. "RE: RBS performance"
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To put the record straight:

Samara Downs was sent to the Paris Opera Ballet School to represent the RBS. She was the only female member of the school to be chosen. During her absense, the choreoghrapher , Bustamante, visited the school and casted for the Kreisler Variations.

On his return, many weeks later,he saw her, casted her and rehersed her to do second cast Minuet.

However, the school administration are only allowing one cast of this part and a couple of others!

Great shame really as she is good enough to represent the RBS school to the Paris Opera & has won numerous prestigious awards
including the Paul Clarke this year .She was also a Genee Finalist and I was greatly impressed with her musicality and artistic skills.

Wonder what is going on with the school administration?



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barry

30-06-01, 00:41 AM (GMT)
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37. "RE: RBS performance"
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To put the record straight:
Samara Downs was sent to the Paris Opera Ballet School to represent the RBS. She was the only female member of the school to be chosen. During her absense, the choreoghrapher , Bustamante, visited the school and casted for the Kreisler Variations.

On his return, many weeks later,he saw her, casted her and rehersed her to do second cast Minuet.

However, the school administration are only allowing one cast of this part and a couple of others!

Great shame really as she is good enough to represent the RBS school to the Paris Opera & has won numerous prestigious awards
including the Paul Clarke this year .She was also a Genee Finalist and I was greatly impressed with her musicality and artistic skills.

Wonder what is going on with the school administration?


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Jonny

30-06-01, 08:34 PM (GMT)
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39. "RE: RBS performance"
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   Who wrote the post above, Barry or Laura? If you want to use a discreet name you might as well be clever!


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barry and laura

30-06-01, 08:47 PM (GMT)
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41. "RE: RBS performance"
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We are a married couple----but does it really matter----

"A rose by any other name etc"

Jonny-

Sometimes even you are responsible for errors of detail.!!!

Best wishes from both of us


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Anna

30-06-01, 08:27 PM (GMT)
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38. "RE: RBS performance"
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Dear Laura,

The ballet world is full of plots and intrigue.Many beautiful and outstanding dancers have had to suffer(and rise above) the petty revenges and power games of admistrators and directors who, for one reason or another, try to damage their careers or hinder their progress.

Actually , the only damage they really do,in the long run, is to themselves and the institutions they run, as the puplic gradually begin to see the abuse of real talent-- in favour of a 'quick fix' of the shallower kind - and start to question the authenticity of that persons judgement of the art form.

Malpractice has a nasty habit of rearing its ugly head eventually.


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Terry Amos

05-07-01, 04:25 PM (GMT)
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44. "RE: RBS performance"
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   I’ve been reading through these posting again and find many of them very disturbing. Clearly there are quite a few people very unhappy with the RBS and some very serious allegations have been made. It seems to me that extraordinary charges, and that is how they appear to me, require extraordinary proof. At the moment, in my judgement, all we have is a great deal of innuendo, wide generalisations and vague statements followed by false logic. But I am very ready to be opened minded about this. I have no axe to grind but I would like to know whether or not the allegations are true. After all it is no small matter. Most dancers in the large British companies are recruited from RBS and, if things are going wrong there, there will be knock-on effects on the whole structure of dancing in this country.

In order that I can clarify my own views, I should be most grateful if those responsible for some of the earlier postings could deal with the following points.

(a) The charge is favouritism. Now “favourites” is an unfortunate word since it has several meanings but in this context it is being used to mean students who are being unfairly and undeservedly favoured. The claim seems to be that the students who are given leading roles in RBS performances are the favourites of the school and are not the best dancers but, rather, are being pushed forward to the detriment of much better dancers who are being held back. Am I correct in assuming that is what many of you mean?

(b) In the view of those who believe (a), how many of the leading dancers at the Opera House performance are “favourites”? Is it all of them, half of them or just a few? At the moment, they are all being tarred with the same brush, which seems pretty rough treatment on young dancers just starting out on their careers. Most of them looked pretty good to me.

(c) Since they don’t perform the leading roles, how do people know that there are excellent dancers being held back by the school? And, note, it is no use naming one or two. The odd mistake is always going to happen. We are being asked to believe it is happening on a massive scale.

(d) If it is happening, what is the motivation? Have the school authorities gone mad or are they suffering a collective failure of judgement? Someone suggested that old chestnut a “hidden agenda”. What on earth could that be?

(e) We know that most of the casting at the ROH was done, not by the school, but by the outside choreographers. Most of the leading roles were taken, as they should have been, by third-year, graduating students and most of these had contracts with professional companies. So it looks as if the favourites of the school are favourites of the choreographers and favourites of company directors. Unless we are to assume some massive conspiracy, doesn’t this make absolutely clear that the favourites are in fact the best dancers?


One further point. It is obvious that a number of people who have posted on this topic have inside knowledge of what goes on at RBS. Some have said how this comes about but others have not. So that their contributions can be fairly evaluated, I do hope that those who have close personal connections with pupils or staff, past or present, at the school will say so. For myself, I have no such connections and am completely independent. But I do believe in Ockham’s Razor.



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Caroline Ferreira

05-07-01, 07:52 PM (GMT)
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45. "RE: RBS performance"
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   The Way Things Are

This thread has been a real roller coaster of emotions, which seem to be repeated year after year in some form or other! Without sounding too condescending, perhaps we should be congratulating those who were ‘in the right place at the right time’ or who ‘caught the boss’s eye’ and concentrate on positive actions to promote those who have not been as fortunate. Being in the spotlight at a show is nice but surely a contract or a job on graduating is the ultimate prize?

Ways need to be found to promote the talents of ALL graduating UK ballet students, from all schools, on an even playing field.
How about coming up with some ideas to promote young British talent?


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Susan D

05-07-01, 10:55 PM (GMT)
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46. "RE: RBS performance"
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   DEAR CAROLINE

Catching the bosses eye-as you put it -does not necessarily

find the best talent--and is open to much abuse of power,

unfortunately for some individuals, who are literally at

the mercy of those who have control and power, but not always

the most honest artistic motives.

I agree that we should find positive ways of promoting those who

are being denied a fair chance , BUT HOW????
There is NOONE to oversee fair play,except people like yourself.

Exceptional talent deserves a better deal than being at the mercy of one or two power freaks.


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Caroline Ferreira

06-07-01, 01:13 PM (GMT)
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47. "RE: RBS performance"
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   Dear Susan

Being demoralised by situations that students have no control over is not going to further anybody's career - but that applies to any profession. Sometimes it is better to look for ways around the system.

There are various means of promoting student graduates being looked into. What I believe is paramount is that ALL students from all schools/private teachers etc., are given equal opportunities to present themselves to prospective employers. Getting a foot in the door is all anyone can hope for, 'the rest, as they say, is up to you'.


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susan

07-07-01, 10:43 AM (GMT)
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48. "RE: RBS performance"
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dear Caroline,

I agree that ALL students should have equal opportuities
to gain a contract or even just a chance to be seen in public so that their career chances are enhanced. Do you have ideas on how this can be achieved without subjective imput from powerful directors ,intent on making and breaking certain pupils?


What do you also do about the poor souls trapped in a large and powerful institution who are being ignored or blocked from gaining valuable stage exposure beacause of the directors vindictive and callous tactics?

How can we protect the interests of those in such a position- unable to leave-because funding is not transferable -with no way out- except giving up dance- or losing so much self esteem that they become unable to operate properly anyway?

This is a real and URGENT issue.


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Terry Amos

07-07-01, 11:50 AM (GMT)
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49. "RE: RBS performance"
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   Dear Susan,

I hope the rest of us are allowed to comment on this.

The issue you raise is URGENT only if you believe there are powerful directors "intent on making or breaking certain pupils" by using "vindictive and callous tactics".

I find it very difficult to believe. How about giving some proof.


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Caroline Ferreira

07-07-01, 05:57 PM (GMT)
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51. "RE: RBS performance"
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   Dear Susan,

I have no connection with the RBS but with all due respect, there is life after RBS!

You must look at the big picture. There are many students out there who were not lucky enough to have gained a place at the RBS. They manage to achieve their goals, they get contracts too -just by other means.

To my mind, it is times like this that you have to focus on what is important - the training, and I hope that differences can be settled quickly so you can all move on.


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Anonymous student

08-07-01, 09:50 AM (GMT)
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52. "RE: RBS performance"
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   As a student at the school, I would like to back up some of the points made by Jane. Notice especially that in the upcoming Lindbury performances it will be the same 'Favourites' showcased again, night after night and more deserving students will again be kept aside and ignored. One recent excuse for having only one cast for 'pas de cinq' despite there being three performances is that "the costumes are not big enough to allow a tall cast to perform" (despite the school having access to the RB company wardrobe in many other dances- I mean would they keep Darcey Bussell from performing because she is too tall?).


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Ann Williams

08-07-01, 10:54 AM (GMT)
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53. "RE: RBS performance"
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   "...more deserving students will again be kept aside and ignored".

Anonymous Student -

Who says they are 'more deserving' - the students themselves? Their parents? And as to your point "...would they keep Darcey Bussell from performing because she is too tall?" - have you considered that this may simply be a kinder way of telling some students that they aren't yet ready to perform in public?

Most of this thread is beginning to sound like sour grapes and I'm sure I'm not the only one getting thoroughly bored with it.


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Helen

08-07-01, 12:37 PM (GMT)
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54. "RE: RBS performance"
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   I agree, Ann. I have no connection with the RBS, other than what I read, and see at the performances, but in the arts organisations that I have been connected with, I have heard "accusations" like these over and over again.

How exactly do you measure who is "best" in ballet, anyway? It's an art, not gymnastics or sport, and any judgement is bound to be subjective.


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Trevor

08-07-01, 04:05 PM (GMT)
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56. "RE: RBS performance"
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   To HELEN

you say you have heard these accusations many times, Helen. Has it not occurred to you that 'where there's smoke there's fire'

Subjective as the art form may be, there is a consensus of opinion by many eminent professionals that serious omissions and the under promotion of highly talented pupils is occuring. There comes a time when you must start to question these issues.

Although it is a subjective art form, there are ways of moderating the situation so these gross injustices are not allowed to happen , and talent is not allowed to be held back for sinister and devious reasons .

It is immoral to collect and then trap exceptional talent in an institution, and then to control who is promoted and who is suffocated.


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Anna

08-07-01, 03:44 PM (GMT)
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55. "RE: RBS performance"
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to ANNE WILLIAMS

It is NOT the students themselves who say they are more deserving in many cases.

They are judged by EMINENT+ OBJECTIVE HIGH CALIBRE PROFESSIONAL MEMBERS of the dance world - who have had a chance to monitor and compare the relative talents of various students over several prolonged sessions who are quite sure there are some very strange and unjust situations being allowed to take place.

Many of the cases being discussed have categorical + clear evidence of injustice- which no doubt you will eventually have a chance to scrutinise when the evidence is finally publicised.

These students ARE performing ,but they are not being given a fair crack of the whip of major profile work for which they are indeed ready and capable.

If you are getting bored with the discussion , may I suggest you leave your somewhat narrow assessment of the situation to those who have more realistic + hands on experience of these matters.


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amelia

08-07-01, 04:32 PM (GMT)
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57. "RE: RBS performance"
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To the anonymous student:

You have my sincerest sympathy and support. I am fully aware of what is going on -----your example is only the tip of a very dirty iceberg.

They have a standard list of excuses like these as you probably know by now!

You ARE good enough to do PAS DE CINQ-- many of you could do it blindfolded. I believe you are being cheated of the profile you deserve. After all, you wouldn't be in second year U. school if you weren't exceptional.

It is a real shame you are too scared about your future to get together and put an end to these digraceful blocking tactics.

There are others , equally brilliant dancers, being denied the chance to be seen , you know.

Peden makes sure his god child (in your year) is well catered for . Do you think the director is involved with this?

I suppose you are too scared to make a petition or go on strike.

That is exactly why this kind of exploitation of talent has been allowed to continue for so long, unchecked.


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Shirley

08-07-01, 07:42 PM (GMT)
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58. "RE: RBS performance"
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   >I mean would they keep
>Darcey Bussell from performing because
>she is too tall?).

In fact they have when they pulled her from Manon as she was too tall for Irek and they cast Viviana Durante instead as first cast and although she did get to dance the role later she must have felt awful!



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Jane W

07-07-01, 12:09 PM (GMT)
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50. "RE: RBS performance"
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   Dear TERRY

YES, Terry,unfortunately, many of the above allegations are true and provable.

There is ,at present , a substantial body of parents, who have formed a group and are currently monitoring and collating the proof of points expressed above. They are justifiably grieved at problems which are endemic in the system at present. They have every intention of presenting a very strong case against the establishment on a corporate basis- with all the concrerte evidence required.

Although we are unable to go into specific named proof on this site we shall attempt to answer your points as honestly and clearly as poss.

with regard to point (a)
This is correct with one ajustment. You can have a situation where more than one student is equally good , but only ONE of these is pushed forward. The others are being deliberately repressed or ignored. In some cases, the promoted student is NOT as good as the withheld one.

regardig (b)

Some. Just bear in mind that there are several others who are exceptional and JUST AS ABLE to have taken these parts JUST AS WELL --if not better. However some are not permitted to even take the second cast. So you do not see this hidden ability > i can assure you that there is clear evidence of their ability and standard -- but this is not the time or place to discuss this.

Regarding (c)
We have collected indisputable written evidence as Proof - from many objective and eminent sources in the ballet world.
Because of the nature of the cases involved , these situations cannot IN ANY WAY be construed as mistakes .

regarding (d)
Complex reasons-- but one important main thread ,which crops up time and time again in these cases , is that the pupil is
'punished ' by the withholding of high profile exposure if the parents have ever expressed justifiable concerns to the school.

regarding (e)
NOT AT ALL!

You clearly need enlightening here.

When a choreoghrapher visits the school, they are accompanied by the administration to watch a class. The admin / director can very easily dissuade a visiting choreoghrapher from using someone he likes the look of. Recent case: " No, no- do not use that one, he/she is (many excuses here) unreliable/ slow/injures etc etc"
Assuming the choreoghrapher is not too bolshy, the school usually gets its way( unless they are extremely insistant-- and remember they want the work and have to keep in with the director --so they are not likely to be too insistant) Thinking that the choreographer really has the choice is very naive--but an excellent cover up for the school.

There have been many recorded cases recently to demonstrate the schools imput to the final choices. One one occasion, the choroegrapher was unaware a swap had taken place- as he left before the performances!!

There are many dancers in the corps of companies sent by the school who have been favourites - but not necessarily the best in their years. They tend to remain as corps on the whole .
Why do you think that we have had to import so many principals from abroad. Alina C is a perfect example -- she left the school after less than a year! Had she stayed , her career may well have turned out quite different!!


hope this is of some help to you. What a sad state of affairs for British ballet.


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parent

08-07-01, 08:43 PM (GMT)
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59. "RE: RBS performance"
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   dear Jane,
As a parent of a child in the school I am very concerned by all that I read here; enough to approach the school director to find out just exactly what is going on. Is it really so corrupt? If so, I will feel very cheated as we have made many sacrifices to send our child there and have (perhaps very naively) put our trust in the school. I have no knowledge of this body of parents or of the proof of what you claim. How on earth do you find out what is really going on?


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another parent

08-07-01, 10:27 PM (GMT)
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60. "RE: RBS performance"
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Dear Parent,

The Director has a very 'charming' manner and will doubtless reassure you....for a while , everything will go smoothly.

Your offspring will probably get a part or two in the next batch of performances.

Unfortunately , unless you have some kind of leaverage , like a politically powerful teacher , who can threaten the establishment with possibly not sending any more students to the school, or lots of money to donate to the new building, your child does NOT in the long term , stand much chance, HOWEVER TALENTED.

There is ,at this very moment in time, a 1st year upper school girl who is being promoted beyond her worth, because she has an influential teacher and the school is trying to prove to the public that they do in fact promote from the poorer end of the spectrum.

Any competition from other equally or more talented students is carefully hidden or stopped.

Many of us have made extreme sacrifices and been led on it with false promises in the hope that it will turn out ok for our child .

There is most cetainly, a body of parents who are logging these situations and if you chat to people long enough , you will be directed to the right places.

For obvious reasons they do not go around with adverts on their heads!

There really would be no possible reason why these comments have been written , unless there were very real problems at RBS.


The standard response from the school re the dissatisfaction is this;
"There are bound to be people who are unhappy as only one or two make it in the end and it is such a tough line to be in"

BUT, the school have the power to CONTROL who is chosen from the large body of extreme talent they trap in the system.Many are squashed and have all self respect destroyed in accordance with the personal whims and motives of the administration__ as they only need one or two in the first place. The rest are just there for the funding they supply.

Noone cares whether they are there or not.

You must open your eyes and ears and study all the information you can find from others.


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JEN

09-07-01, 07:32 AM (GMT)
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61. "RE: RBS performance"
In response to message #60
 
  
HAVING READ ALL THE MESSAGES, THIS IS A VERY EMOTIVE SUBJECT AND SOMETHING THAT THE DIRECTOR AND GOVENORS SHOULD TAKE SERIOUSLY - EVERYONE SHOULD BE ANSWERABLE IN THIS DAY AND AGE.
I ALSO HAVE CONNECTIONS AND EXPERIENCE OF THE SCHOOL AND WOULD LIKE TO SUGGEST THAT MANY OF THE PROBLEMS START AT THE YOUNGEST AGE IN YEAR 7 AT WHITE LODGE. I AM SURE MANY PARENTS HAVE A CATALOGUE OF SITUATIONS WHICH SHOULD NEVER HAVE ARISEN AND SHOULD HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED - HOWEVER MOST ARE AFRAID TO STEP FORWARD IN CASE THEIR CHILDS FUTURE IS PUT IN JEOPARDY.
WHAT IS THE ANSWER, IT MUST BE OUT THERE OR IS THE DANCE WORLD SO FULL OF INCEST THINGS WILL NEVER CHANGE??


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parent

09-07-01, 09:32 AM (GMT)
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62. "RE: RBS performance"
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   To other concerned parents,
Surely, then, now is the time to call for an open meeting with the directors of the school and all concerned parents so that these issues can be discussed seriously and frankly without any individual being singled out as a trouble causer or as someone suffering from sour grapes. We are all making too many sacrifices(emotional, financial and academic) for this to be just dismissed as jealousy. I had been reasonably happy before I began to hear from parents who have been more involved with the school, reassuring myself that my child was being treated fairly and that it is just a very competitive world but these comments point to something far more serious. The school must be prepared to listen to the proof; if it is true that that the MAJORITY are being treated unfairly then the MAJORITY must speak. After all the school cannot function without the MAJORITY.The body of parents must act sooner rather than later; what is this proof? Why hang on to it any longer making idle threats? Bring it out into the open and call for a parents meeting so that all can discuss this sensibly and rationally and hear what the school has to say.


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parent

09-07-01, 09:38 AM (GMT)
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63. "RE: RBS performance"
In response to message #61
 
   To other concerned parents,
Surely, then, now is the time to call for an open meeting with the directors of the school and all concerned parents so that these issues can be discussed seriously and frankly without any individual being singled out as a trouble causer or as someone suffering from sour grapes. We are all making too many sacrifices(emotional, financial and academic) for this to be just dismissed as jealousy. I had been reasonably happy before I began to hear from parents who have been more involved with the school, reassuring myself that my child was being treated fairly and that it is just a very competitive world but these comments point to something far more serious. The school must be prepared to listen to the proof; if it is true that that the MAJORITY are being treated unfairly then the MAJORITY must speak. After all the school cannot function without the MAJORITY.The body of parents must act sooner rather than later; what is this proof? Why hang on to it any longer making idle threats? Bring it out into the open and call for a parents meeting so that all can discuss this sensibly and rationally and hear what the school has to say.


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parent

09-07-01, 10:16 AM (GMT)
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64. "RE: RBS performance"
In response to message #61
 
   To other concerned parents,
Surely, then, now is the time to call for an open meeting with the directors of the school and all concerned parents so that these issues can be discussed seriously and frankly without any individual being singled out as a trouble causer or as someone suffering from sour grapes. We are all making too many sacrifices(emotional, financial and academic) for this to be just dismissed as jealousy. I had been reasonably happy before I began to hear from parents who have been more involved with the school, reassuring myself that my child was being treated fairly and that it is just a very competitive world but these comments point to something far more serious. The school must be prepared to listen to the proof; if it is true that that the MAJORITY are being treated unfairly then the MAJORITY must speak. After all the school cannot function without the MAJORITY.The body of parents must act sooner rather than later; what is this proof? Why hang on to it any longer making idle threats? Bring it out into the open and call for a parents meeting so that all can discuss this sensibly and rationally and hear what the school has to say.


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parent

09-07-01, 10:17 AM (GMT)
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65. "RE: RBS performance"
In response to message #61
 
   To other concerned parents,
Surely, then, now is the time to call for an open meeting with the directors of the school and all concerned parents so that these issues can be discussed seriously and frankly without any individual being singled out as a trouble causer or as someone suffering from sour grapes. We are all making too many sacrifices(emotional, financial and academic) for this to be just dismissed as jealousy. I had been reasonably happy before I began to hear from parents who have been more involved with the school, reassuring myself that my child was being treated fairly and that it is just a very competitive world but these comments point to something far more serious. The school must be prepared to listen to the proof; if it is true that that the MAJORITY are being treated unfairly then the MAJORITY must speak. After all the school cannot function without the MAJORITY.The body of parents must act sooner rather than later; what is this proof? Why hang on to it any longer making idle threats? Bring it out into the open and call for a parents meeting so that all can discuss this sensibly and rationally and hear what the school has to say.


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a very concerned parent

09-07-01, 10:58 AM (GMT)
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66. "RE: RBS performance"
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   I don't quite understand what you mean by promoting from the "poorer end of the spectrum"? Do you mean financially, socially or what? Also, how on earth can you prove that this person is being promoted beyond her worth when this is surely subjective and based on the school's judgement? Also, can a teacher be so influential, so influential to influence an institution like the Royal which will always be inundated with applications? These claims must be aired openly in a proper forum to at least give the school chance to explain and hopefully for parents to be reassured.


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Anneliese

09-07-01, 02:14 PM (GMT)
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67. "RE: RBS performance"
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   I have read this thread initially with horror, then with sadness, and now with a little surprise. Now we have come down to what seems to many to be "the real issue" - that there is allegedly favouritism in the RBS.

Well, to all you students and parents out there - I'm sorry, but that's life! It is exactly the same in any other artistic and/or educational institution, and exactly the same in any other profession. The world over, people are promoted because their face fits, they're "the type", they're "one of us", they remind the boss of the himself when he was that age, their parents are friendly with the boss, the boss fancies them, the boss can't stand someone else, they're talented but somehow rub people up the wrong way, they take a lot of sick leave, they're unreliable, they're erratic, they're brilliant on their own but lousy in a team....

It happens. It's annoying, but it happens. It happens to all of us. Learn and grow.


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Helen

09-07-01, 02:34 PM (GMT)
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68. "RE: RBS performance"
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   Anneliese - I think that's what I was trying to say! Thanks for saying it better than I did.


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Bruce Madmin

09-07-01, 02:34 PM (GMT)
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69. "RE: RBS performance"
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   This thread is way too long - at last soembody got it togtehr to start another:
http://www.danze.co.uk/dcforum/happening/1853.html

I'm locking this thread - further contributions on teh new thread please


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