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anon

20-06-01, 06:55 PM (GMT)
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"amp"
 
   Rumour has it that Matthew Bourne and Katherine Dore have parted company.Badly!. Mathew apparently not doing any new projects with his once favoured producer. Is this true???? what does it mean for the company will it move to the old Vic?apparently Katherine still has the right to produce any revivals of the old work but nothing new....Is this true..Can anyone enlighten us all???


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  Subject     Author     Message Date     ID  
  RE: amp Bruce Madmin 20-06-01 1
  RE: amp anon 26-06-01 2
     RE: amp Robert 26-06-01 3
         RE: amp Bruce Madmin 27-06-01 4
             RE: amp Matthew Bourne 27-06-01 5
                 RE: amp Jane N. 27-06-01 6
                     RE: amp THE REAL MATTHEW BOURNE!! 28-06-01 7
                         RE: amp Bruce Madmin 28-06-01 9
  RE: amp Robert 28-06-01 10
     RE: amp Patricia 29-06-01 11
     RE: amp David 29-06-01 12
         RE: amp Bruce Madmin 29-06-01 13
         RE: amp The Real MATTHEW BOURNE 29-06-01 15
  RE: amp Julian 29-06-01 14
     RE: amp martinjay 29-06-01 16
         RE: amp Claire S 29-06-01 17
     RE: amp Bruce Madmin 29-06-01 18
         RE: amp martinjay 30-06-01 19
             RE: amp Ann Williams 30-06-01 20
                 RE: amp Bruce Madmin 30-06-01 21
                     IMPORTANT POST FOR MATTHEW BOURNE IMPERSONATOR Bruce Madmin 01-07-01 22
                         RE: IMPORTANT POST FOR MATTHEW BOURNE IMPERSONATOR Hiroko 02-07-01 23
                             RE: IMPORTANT POST FOR MATTHEW BOURNE IMPERSONATOR pmeja 03-07-01 24
                         Update 2 Bruce Madmin 09-07-01 25

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Bruce Madmin

20-06-01, 11:22 PM (GMT)
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1. "RE: amp"
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   We would prefer that people generally post under their proper name and stand behind their views. Its the right thing to. Thanks etc


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anon

26-06-01, 04:38 PM (GMT)
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2. "RE: amp"
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   does this mean no more work under the AMP banner or will Matthew start a new company - anyone have any insights / views ?


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Robert

26-06-01, 09:22 PM (GMT)
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3. "RE: amp"
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   I have no idea but Matthew Bourne may reply as he reads these postings and I am sure he will use his own name if he does.


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Bruce Madmin

27-06-01, 07:43 AM (GMT)
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4. "RE: amp"
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   I'm sure that Matthew and AMP will issue a press release, or whatever, when they are ready. All things change and move forward, so if its true it should not necessarily be seen as a bad thing for anybody.


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Matthew Bourne

27-06-01, 03:12 PM (GMT)
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5. "RE: amp"
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   It is indeed true that Kath and AMP have parted ways, however not at all acrimoniously. In the past few years Kath's interests as a producer have extended beyond dance based theatre, a field in which she felt that she had achieved as much as she possibly could without becoming stale.

Kath is leaving to pursue other theatrical ventures and myself and AMP wish her nothing but all the love and luck in the world. In fact Kath was round my house for dinner last night. I can assure you we are still the very best of friends. Which we might not have remained had she stayed in a job which no longer fulfilled her.

There is always the possibility that Kath will work for AMP again and when and if she should decide to do so we will be delighted to have her back. As far as producers of dance go she is, to my mind, the best there is.


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Jane N.

27-06-01, 04:22 PM (GMT)
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6. "RE: amp"
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   Dear Matthew: Just to say, welcome home, I'm glad all went well on the European tour, and have a happy break before preparations for your American tour start.


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THE REAL MATTHEW BOURNE!!

28-06-01, 07:37 AM (GMT)
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7. "RE: amp"
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   Dear All,
I have been away in LA and have just read the posting that preports to be me. I am flabbergasted to find someone pretending to be me posting on this website. Katharine and I have certainly not had dinner recently. In fact I have seen her only three times this year, and on no occasion did we have dinner.I cannot comment on any of the other comments made by someone obviously desperate for everyone to know that things are fine and dandy at amp,surfice to say that I shall be making my own statement about the matter soon and ballet.co will be the first to know Thank you The genuine MATTHEW BOURNE

PS Bruce....How can I stop someone pretending to be me?


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Bruce Madmin

28-06-01, 11:23 AM (GMT)
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9. "RE: amp"
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   >PS Bruce....How can I stop someone
>pretending to be me?

Just to say I have only just read this and I too am flabergasted and appaled. I'll respond more properly later. But what a stupid thing to do - such deceptions always emerge and do nobody any good.


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Robert

28-06-01, 06:22 PM (GMT)
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10. "RE: amp"
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   This is getting really creepy, anonymous letters impersinations, how do we know the real Matthew is the real Matthew ? A case for The Great Detective (1950's,choreography Margaret Dale, Macmillan, as Sherlock Holmes.)Now that was ballet with a story!


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Patricia

29-06-01, 10:06 AM (GMT)
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11. "RE: amp"
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   If someone is trying to undermine AMP by spreading rumours,would
they not be better to admit it instead of remaining anonymous.
Surely no one could have thought that the semi literate posting
purporting to come from Matthew Bourne was genuine.
Patricia


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David

29-06-01, 10:13 AM (GMT)
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12. "RE: amp"
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   It gets worse. The absolutely genuine Matthew Bourne was at the Linbury on Saturday night chairing the jury of the Eurovision Young Dancer Competition. So either the real Matthew Bourne had a very quick return flight to LA (quite possible, of course) to make it possible for him to be back in London by Thursday morning posting his message claiming to be the real Matthew Bourne, or the real Matthew Bourne is lying, in which case either the real Matthew Bourne is the fake Matthew Bourne and the fake Matthew Bourne is the real Matthew Bourne, or both the real Matthew Bourne and the fake Matthew Bournes are really fake Matthew Bournes.

Confusing, what? Time, I think, for a strawberry birthmark to be brought into play.


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Bruce Madmin

29-06-01, 10:27 AM (GMT)
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13. "RE: amp"
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   If there is one thing I hate its going through the Ballet.co server log files. Currently they are about 100Mb long which is a major download in its own right. And most editors fall over at the very sight of such an enormous hunck of text. When I get back to base tonight I will pull the files and investigate. Whoever it is had better be bloody good at covering their tracks. But what a ridculous waste of everybodies time.


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The Real MATTHEW BOURNE

29-06-01, 06:37 PM (GMT)
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15. "RE: amp"
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   Dear David and others,
Just to clear up a few things. Yes,the real Matthew Bourne was at the Eurovision Young Dancers on Saturday night,left for LA the next day and has been able to recieve and send E-Mail during his trip.
Seriously,though, Bruce knows that the real Matthew Bourne always leaves his E- mail contact address and the fraud has not!
I am still in LA but home tomorrow and will investigate myself, but one thing is for sure - Those who know Katharine know that she has never been refered to as KATH, by me or anyone that she knows! She hates it! MATTHEW


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Julian

29-06-01, 05:04 PM (GMT)
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14. "RE: amp"
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   For Gods sake, Surly this is a fans gossip page, apart from pretending to be Matthew Bourne, nothing wrong has been done, its just speculation and gossip which this page is here for.


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martinjay

29-06-01, 08:15 PM (GMT)
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16. "RE: amp"
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   Julian,

Thank you for your comment. However, as someone who knows relatively little about ballet but is interested in learning more, I must beg to differ.

My relative inexperience means that I rely on the postings to be truthful - otherwise, how will one learn? As for no harm having been done, I fear that unsubstantiated rumour, however well intentioned, can frequently snowball into something more harmful


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Claire S

29-06-01, 08:31 PM (GMT)
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17. "RE: amp"
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   Martin, I agree that gossip and innuendo can snowball into something destructive and unpleasant. One of the reasons this site is so special is that it visited by - and occasionally contributed to - by significant figures in the dance world, and it would be a great pity if the site's integrity was compromised by a few reckless posters.

Claire


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Bruce Madmin

29-06-01, 09:22 PM (GMT)
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18. "RE: amp"
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   >For Gods sake, Surly this is
>a fans gossip page,

We are much more then that I believe. We are very much centred on the audience but welcome everybody who is interested in dance and ballet... and as a consequence in these pages you will find some amazingly perceptive thoughts from all manner of perspectives. Yes we can be popularist and frivolous etc, and long may that be so, but we are much broader then that.

>apart
>from pretending to be Matthew
>Bourne, nothing wrong has been
>done, its just speculation and
>gossip which this page is
>here for.

True that this site does have an awful lot of speculation - we speculate on all things I reckon. And we have some gossip too - hopefully expressed factually rather then with malice (it often is) and also with a view to the laws of libel or whatever.

This place should be civilised and people should generally stand behind their words by giving a name and proper email address. But impersonating somebody else is just not on. Not on at all. You might just about get away with it if it startlingly obvious and very funny. Neither was the case here, or with whoever signed in as Clement Crisp.

Of all the dance/ballet forums this is probably the freest and least moderated and hopefully that makes it very approachable. To keep it that way people have to act with some responsibility. There are thousands of visitors who read the words here and they deserve better then some of the postings in this thread.



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martinjay

30-06-01, 12:18 PM (GMT)
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19. "RE: amp"
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   Bruce,

Many thanks for your comments here (and also for your response to my Corsaire message) I see from today's Daily Telegraph, that this story has now made the media notes page.

The site got a mention, although I for one am grateful that it was an oblique one. It would be horrible to think that the site's reputation may have been damaged in peoples' eyes in any way by the discussion.

Martinjay


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Ann Williams

30-06-01, 05:19 PM (GMT)
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20. "RE: amp"
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   The piece in the Telegraph which Martinjay refers to is on page 9 of the News section (no link available)under the headline 'Dance adventures coming to an end'. Basically, the piece about us says:-

"...An insight into the differences between the pair was played on a ballet website this week. A message purporting to be from Bourne said the split was good-natured. It went on: "Kath was round my house for dinner last night, I can assure you we are still the very best of friends". But it is believed to be a fake. Within hours another message was posted saying it was from the "genuine" Matthew Bourne. It went on: "Kath and I have certainly not had dinner recently. In fact I have seen her only three times this year and on no occasion did we have dinner. I shall be making my own statement about the matter soon".

This may or may not have come from Bourne, but insiders confirm that the split is very real."


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Bruce Madmin

30-06-01, 05:30 PM (GMT)
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21. "RE: amp"
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   I'm just looking in the server log files now, but may not be able to finish the review tonight...


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Bruce Madmin

01-07-01, 02:22 AM (GMT)
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22. "IMPORTANT POST FOR MATTHEW BOURNE IMPERSONATOR"
In response to message #21
 
  
I have been through the server logs in great details and know from which domain the person who impersonated Matthew Bourne posted.

I'd like to ask the person concerned to contact me privately to discuss the position. My email address is:
bruce@ballet.co.uk

This offer holds until Tuesday night after which I shall be contacting the relevant webmaster and looking for further searches at that end. Be aware that as a rule Webmasters take a very dim view of those who abuse the nature of the net.

You might feel this is a hoax and we know nothing. For now I will just say that the imposter posted from a national magazine. Please contact me. Thank you.


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Hiroko

02-07-01, 09:54 PM (GMT)
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23. "RE: IMPORTANT POST FOR MATTHEW BOURNE IMPERSONATOR"
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   Bruce, I truly appreciate your efforts and spending a lot times to clear this minor?? problem(for some people). A new comer in the field of the ballet and dance, like me, depend on an accurate information to learn what is going on or what it is all about. It was uncomfortable to learn that the information I am getting from ballet.co may not be really accurate when I started to read this thread, however, your sincere attitude to handle this situation gave me an impression that I can trust the information from the ballet.co site. I believe that it is specially important when person like Mr. Matthew Bourne, Mr. Lez Brotherston and Mr. Adam Cooper are making time to send us their information.


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pmeja

03-07-01, 12:06 PM (GMT)
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24. "RE: IMPORTANT POST FOR MATTHEW BOURNE IMPERSONATOR"
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   very good, bruce. even a site meant for informal discussion should have (and in your case, always has had) standards. you're being more than fair.


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Bruce Madmin

09-07-01, 11:47 AM (GMT)
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25. "Update 2"
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   Just wanted to tell folks that the person who impersonated Matthew Bourne has not contacted us and we are curently following this up with the webmaster of the domain they were using. As necessary we will go on to contact the MD of the organisation concerned.


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