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Michael

20-04-01, 03:58 PM (GMT)
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"Male dancers of the Royal Ballet"
 
   Yes I quoted Watson, who has been in the company, for a number of years, he had to wait a long time for his promotion, he came from White Lodge into the company around 10 years ago, so he certainly has served his apprenticeship, this is why I find some promotions given to certain dancers unfair.
The Royal could learn from Paris Opera Ballet and make public examinations with a jury, this would give the dancers something to aim for, and would be a fairer way of promotion,as all would get a fair crack of the whip.
As I pointed out previously, why the the Royal cannot coach some tall boys, to bring them up instead of using guest dancers, who cost a fortune, and many would like to see talent from the school.
Why do we have to have Stiefel to dance with Wildor, we have many short boys, Putrov, Cervera among many, and as all the principles, with the exeption of Bussell are short, lets use our own young men, save money and be Royal.


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  Subject     Author     Message Date     ID  
  RE: Male dancers of the Royal Ballet Odile 20-04-01 1
     RE: Male dancers of the Royal Ballet alison 20-04-01 3
         RE: Male dancers of the Royal Ballet Odile 20-04-01 4
  RE: Male dancers of the Royal Ballet alison 20-04-01 2
  RE: Male dancers of the Royal Ballet Alicia 20-04-01 5
     RE: Male dancers of the Royal Ballet timpow 20-04-01 6
         RE: Male dancers of the Royal Ballet Shirley 22-04-01 9
             RE: Male dancers of the Royal Ballet Stuart Sweeney 22-04-01 10
                 RE: Male dancers of the Royal Ballet Shirley 22-04-01 12
     RE: Male dancers of the Royal Ballet Jason 21-04-01 7
         RE: Male dancers of the Royal Ballet Susie 23-04-01 13
  RE: Male dancers of the Royal Ballet Jane S 21-04-01 8
     RE: Male dancers of the Royal Ballet Becca 22-04-01 11

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Odile

20-04-01, 04:57 PM (GMT)
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1. "RE: Male dancers of the Royal Ballet"
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   I have only been attending RB performances since last
summer but I have been really impressed with Watson,
Cervera, Putrov and Essakow.
I also could not help but wonder why RB not counting
the guests has only 4 male principals and only 1 first
soloist. If there was no problem pushing the careers of
Nunez and Cojocaru (both promoted from artist to first
soloist last summer) there surly should not be a problem with giving the same kind of chances to the most talented boys
as well.


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alison

20-04-01, 06:01 PM (GMT)
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3. "RE: Male dancers of the Royal Ballet"
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   Well, the reason why the RB is so short on principals is because it still hasn't made up for the loss of those who left to go to K Ballet (and/or hasn't been able to keep the ones who replaced them). The men you mention are all good dancers, but no way are they anything like ready for principal-type roles yet (and I've queried in the past how much experience of partnering Watson, for instance, has, which is something he'd obviously need if he's to get to the top), unlike Cojocaru.


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Odile

20-04-01, 06:10 PM (GMT)
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4. "RE: Male dancers of the Royal Ballet"
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   >
> The men you mention
>are all good dancers, but
>no way are they anything
>like ready for principal-type roles
>yet (and I've queried in
>the past how much experience
>of partnering Watson, for instance,
>has, which is something he'd
>obviously need if he's to
>get to the top), unlike
>Cojocaru.

I did not mean that they should be promoted to principal
just like that but that there is real potential there
that could do with more intesive nurturing.
For example I am glad that Essakow gets to have a go at
Oberon in The Dream on 31/05/01.


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alison

20-04-01, 05:58 PM (GMT)
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2. "RE: Male dancers of the Royal Ballet"
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   God forbid that the Royal should ever become as rigidly hierarchical as the POB - I'd far rather see dancers given chances to improve themselves by dancing lead roles than have them wait until they reach a certain level in the company before they are allowed to attempt a given role (and certainly Belinda Hatley wouldn't have done her first Sugar Plum while still in the bottom ranks of the corps in such a situation). And I don't think it's just a question of giving extra training to men because they happen to be tall, if they haven't got the necessary potential in the first place.


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Alicia

20-04-01, 06:30 PM (GMT)
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5. "RE: Male dancers of the Royal Ballet"
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   Is it the "training" ? I don't mean to sound offensive to the RB fans, but is there any reason why the RB school doesnt produce many really good British male dancers? I haven't seen anyone truly marvelous since Anthony Dowell. If you look at the POB, there is a wealth of really amazing French male demi-soloists, all in the sujet category, who would surely be principals or first soloists in other foreign companies.


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timpow

20-04-01, 09:52 PM (GMT)
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6. "RE: Male dancers of the Royal Ballet"
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Teddy K. came after Anthony Dowell and he was a pretty remarkable dancer and a product of the RBS.

Of the four principals and one first soloist in the current list np less than four are not RBS products and of these four not all are up to standard. We know that the first soloist is about to leave the company before we have had a chance to really know him.

Perhaps Ross Stretton should invite some of the K boys to return as well as bringing on some of the names mentioned which appear to include a fair amount of promise.


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Shirley

22-04-01, 00:11 AM (GMT)
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9. "RE: Male dancers of the Royal Ballet"
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   >Perhaps Ross Stretton should invite some
>of the K boys to
>return as well as bringing
>on some of the names
>mentioned which appear to include
>a fair amount of promise.
>

One of the K boys seems to be back just now and going on tour with the Company to the States, although he is not sure if he will be around for the summer season or later. It was good to see him though!


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Stuart Sweeney

22-04-01, 08:44 AM (GMT)
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10. "RE: Male dancers of the Royal Ballet"
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   What a tease you are Shirley!


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Shirley

22-04-01, 12:15 PM (GMT)
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12. "RE: Male dancers of the Royal Ballet"
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   >What a tease you are Shirley!
>


Moi?

All you have to do is ask if you want to know who it is Stuart! Just not sure if the information is common knowledge although sure it's not a secret!


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Jason

21-04-01, 08:29 AM (GMT)
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7. "RE: Male dancers of the Royal Ballet"
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   Alicia, how right you are, The P.O.B sujets are superb,and you are correct in saying anyone of them could be a principle with R.B not only are they wonderfull all round dancers in both classical and modern, but many are tall
If only the R.B would teach at the school in the same disiplined way, the school then could create outstanding males for the company, and in the future maybe we will not need to use guests,but have our men,good classical / modern dancers.
The small dance schools could also do more to help, by contacting the priniple of the R.B.S when they find a talented youngster, also the goverment,if only they would finance children from poorer families. because I am sure there is plenty of talented kids, going unreconised, or the parents finding they cannot finance there training, when discovered.
So lets take a lead from P.O.B and search out the talent in the small dance schools,and use it.


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Susie

23-04-01, 11:22 PM (GMT)
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13. "RE: Male dancers of the Royal Ballet"
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   Jason, the Royal Ballet School already does a lot to seek out talent through its audition programmes and Associate schemes, through which it works in partnership with schools with promising pupils. Th Royal Ballet Education Dept's Chance to Dance project in London boroughs is beginning to bring new talent into the system. In addition any student sufficiently talented to get a place at White Lodge will receive government assistance if their parents cannot afford (I forget the name of the scheme which also funds talented young musicians) - all school publicity states that lack of funds is not a bar to entry. The challenge of getting boys into ballet lies more in the form's lack of visibility in the media and general ignorance and prejudice about it, and the lack of dance education in schools. Billy Elliot managed to raise the profile but without dispelling any of the usual clichees and misperceptions.


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Jane S

21-04-01, 05:24 PM (GMT)
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8. "RE: Male dancers of the Royal Ballet"
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   It doesn't invalidate your argument, but Watson hasn't been in the company anything like 10 years - 6 1/2 would be nearer.


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Becca

22-04-01, 09:39 AM (GMT)
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11. "RE: Male dancers of the Royal Ballet"
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   Watson joined the company in 1994.

As for Putrov, I believe there is potential there but he perhaps isn't as at home on stage as Watson?

One has to remember that Cojocaru joined the company after dancing with the Kiev, so has had more opportunity (sp??!) to develop partnering skills.


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