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alison

13-03-01, 01:01 PM (GMT)
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"ROH Spring Debut Flower Throws"
 
   This has been bugging me for a while ...

Before the Royal Opera House closed, it used to be a tradition that anyone making a debut in a major role during the spring used to get a flower throw, daffodils, I think, from the amphitheatre. Yet neither Rojo nor Cojocaru got one for their debuts as Juliet last month. Is the management worried about getting all that yucky sap on the new curtains, or something?

I realise that the subject of flower throws is a little touchy, so if anyone would like to communicate by private email my address is: ddaremoto@hotmail.com


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  Subject     Author     Message Date     ID  
  RE: ROH Spring Debut Flower Throws Bruce Madmin 13-03-01 1
     RE: ROH Spring Debut Flower Throws alison 14-03-01 8
  RE: ROH Spring Debut Flower Throws Jim 13-03-01 2
     RE: ROH Spring Debut Flower Throws Anneliese 13-03-01 3
         RE: ROH Spring Debut Flower Throws Ann Williams 13-03-01 4
             RE: ROH Spring Debut Flower Throws Jane S 13-03-01 5
                 RE: ROH Spring Debut Flower Throws Jim 13-03-01 6
                     RE: ROH Spring Debut Flower Throws Jane S 16-03-01 9
                 RE: ROH Spring Debut Flower Throws Tony Newcombe 16-03-01 10
     RE: ROH Spring Debut Flower Throws junko 14-03-01 7
  RE: ROH Spring Debut Flower Throws Karen 18-03-01 11
     RE: ROH Spring Debut Flower Throws Rachel 18-03-01 12
         RE: ROH Spring Debut Flower Throws Helen 19-03-01 13
             RE: ROH Spring Debut Flower Throws pantoose 19-03-01 14
             RE: ROH Spring Debut Flower Throws Karen 20-03-01 15

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Bruce Madmin

13-03-01, 01:51 PM (GMT)
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1. "RE: ROH Spring Debut Flower Throws"
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>I realise that the subject of
>flower throws is a little
>touchy,

I can't imagine why? I think they are a fine idea...



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alison

14-03-01, 01:14 PM (GMT)
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8. "RE: ROH Spring Debut Flower Throws"
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   >
>>I realise that the subject of
>>flower throws is a little
>>touchy,
>
>I can't imagine why?

Oh, believe me, from what I've heard ...



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Jim

13-03-01, 02:14 PM (GMT)
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2. "RE: ROH Spring Debut Flower Throws"
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   Personally, I never liked this. It looked so "artificial" and contrived. I was at Genesia Rosato's final performance (I think it was "Month in the Country") and at the curtain call they brought on a lovely basket of flowers with her name embroidered in flowers. I thought that was a lovely idea - a special bouquet for a special occasion - I would go along woth that any time


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Anneliese

13-03-01, 09:40 PM (GMT)
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3. "RE: ROH Spring Debut Flower Throws"
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   Jim, when did she retire? I haven't seen "A Month in the Country" for years and I'm sure I've seen the lovely Ms Rosato since it was last performed by the Royal!


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Ann Williams

13-03-01, 11:12 PM (GMT)
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4. "RE: ROH Spring Debut Flower Throws"
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   Yes, I've seen Rosato more recently too. In fact, I'm pretty sure she was in Romeo & Juliet last month, as either R or J's mum.

So who was it who got the nice embroidered basket of flowers, Jim?


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Jane S

13-03-01, 11:27 PM (GMT)
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5. "RE: ROH Spring Debut Flower Throws"
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   It was Rosato - I remember it too - but I've an idea it was actually her first Month and the flowers were saying 'At last!' rather than 'goodbye'. But I could have misremembered...


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Jim

13-03-01, 11:35 PM (GMT)
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6. "RE: ROH Spring Debut Flower Throws"
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   I've just checked my programmes, it was 10 April 1991 (cripes, it doesn't seem like 10 years ago...), along with Agon and Requiem. She was definitely getting a special bouquet for something - couldn't be for maternity leave perhaps?


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Jane S

16-03-01, 08:44 PM (GMT)
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9. "RE: ROH Spring Debut Flower Throws"
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   Jim, it *was* her debut - I found a review in Dance & Dancers; and guess what I noticed on the letters page in the same issue? A letter from a James Fowler, getting all passionate about a certain French dancer...


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Tony Newcombe

16-03-01, 11:06 PM (GMT)
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10. "RE: ROH Spring Debut Flower Throws"
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   >It was Rosato - I remember
>it too - but I've
>an idea it was actually
>her first Month and the
>flowers were saying 'At last!'
>rather than 'goodbye'. But I
>could have misremembered...


Yes it was her first and I think the point was that Ashton had always wanted her to dance the role but for what ever reasons it did not happen in his lifetime.


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junko

14-03-01, 08:26 AM (GMT)
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7. "RE: ROH Spring Debut Flower Throws"
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   >I
>thought that was a lovely
>idea - a special bouquet
>for a special occasion -
>I would go along woth
>that any time

Jim,
I think it is lovely, too !
Does ROH, POB, or ... accept to throw bouquets during curtain call other than for special occasions ?
The last time I went to K-ballet tour in Japan, I saw they had to leave bouquets on the reception, I wondered why ???


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Karen

18-03-01, 07:12 AM (GMT)
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11. "RE: ROH Spring Debut Flower Throws"
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   The flower throws were done for all sorts of special occasions. When daffs are in season, they look like a curtain of gold when thrown from both sides of the amphi. The House "tolerated" them - because they looked so good. When I worked as an usherette, we used to keep flowers in the sinks the cleaners used so that they would stay fresh. Covent Garden is one of the few theatres where you can get that "curtain" effect - because of the layout of the house. The flower throws are a tradition that should be kept up.

Here in New York it is much harder: the boxes don't come near enough to the stage to throw well from the sides - although it IS possible to throw small bunches (say 3 carnations banded together). The Met used to ban flower throws (I was once thrown out and banned from the House for throwing a single rose at an opera singer!) This was because some idiot weighted a bouquet (to make sure it landed on the stage) and nearly killed Maria Callas. When the Russians came, flowers throws were banned for security reasons. Now the Met doesn't care, and people throw whole bouquets on the stage. Lobbing them over the orchestra pit is an art form - the pit is very large.


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Rachel

18-03-01, 05:46 PM (GMT)
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12. "RE: ROH Spring Debut Flower Throws"
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   This was because some idiot weighted a bouquet (to make sure
>it landed on the stage) and nearly killed Maria Callas.
Lobbing them over
>the orchestra pit is an
>art form - the pit
>is very large.


From what I understand, something similar happened at the Opera Huose, where a rather large bouquet was thrown for a singer and fell in the pit damaging an instrument. Sine then, we've tended to get permission to throw for a major occasion, such as when Bruce Sansom retired. I think you need to know what size and weight to make bouquets for throwing, and loose flowers can look very effective when thrown.


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Helen

19-03-01, 11:05 AM (GMT)
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13. "RE: ROH Spring Debut Flower Throws"
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   LAST EDITED ON 19-03-01 AT 11:06 AM (GMT)

I like flower throws - I think they are romantic. But here is a little warning from Margot Fonteyn in her 1975 Autobiography:

"I was struck in the chest by a remarkably solid and heavy waterlily after Ondine in Leningrad. It was an appropriate flower, but I wished they would stick to daisies and cornflowers. (In London, a front row enthusiast found he could lob his little bunches of flowers over the orchestra pit more successfully if they were weighted; I had to keep a very wary eye on his missiles as I was bowing and smiling graciously in front of the curtain.)"

And don't forget to take the thorns off the roses!


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pantoose

19-03-01, 01:05 PM (GMT)
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14. "RE: ROH Spring Debut Flower Throws"
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   This story of Fonteyn being struck by a "remarkably solid and heavy waterlily" reminds me that flower throws aren't used just to express positive views. Sometimes throwers can be quite hostile.

Several years ago at the New York Met Christa Ludwig finished singing her run as Frika in Das Rheingold, her last performances in the house before retirement. A large bouquet of roses fell to the stage, but after picking them up, Ludwig lowered the flowers as she bowed and every blossom fell off the stems to the floor. They'd been rigged.

And performers can make a point with flowers too. Gesley Kirkland once offered Barishnikov a rose from her bouqet, but as he approached, she set it on the ground and backed away. He was obviously furious with her for such a public display. There was no love lost between them.


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Karen

20-03-01, 07:31 AM (GMT)
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15. "RE: ROH Spring Debut Flower Throws"
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   A little off-topic, but Fonteyn was always very fussy about her bouquets. For presentation bouquets one had to remove all the cellophane - which she hated because she thought that the lights reflecting off of it looked awful. Of COURSE all roses had to be dethorned. Once, someone sent the most magnificent bouquet I've ever seen: 3 dozen extra-long stemmed roses (pink - in case you're curious) and each stem had 3 flowers - sort of like a trident. The bouquet was extraordinarily heavy, was backed by cardboard and, of course, was held in place by cellophane. So there I was, at a worktable in the wings of the Colisseum dethorning those 3-dozen roses (and the stems were very thick and the thorns recalcitrant and extra sharp) by the light of two torches. And after doing that I still had to tie the bouquet so it would stay together long enough to be presented. It wasn't easy, I promise you.

Anyway, as far as throws go, I think those throws of single blooms from the amphi are simply marvelous. Keep doing them! And if you're going to throw bouquets, make them small enough so that no one will get hurt.


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