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Nikki

28-01-01, 10:10 PM (GMT)
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"Ballet Boyz 2: The Next Step..(has Mattew Dibble left K-Ballet?)"
 
   Just watchted it, too tired to write a full apprisal for it...but have a few thoughts that i'd like to get down. Thought that as usal Micheal Nunn and William Trevitt were adorable...especially liked it when we got to see (the good lookin brown haired guys..is it Nunn? ) family..sorry I cant remember which one is which!!!

I dont agree w/ the Obeservers review that
'Now in their mid-thirties, they are far less laddish than they appear in Ballet Boyz. They (and their TV producers) thought they needed to appear regular blokes, horsing around in front of the video-camera, rather than as dancers and administrators. They do themselves a disservice in their latest offering, entertaining though it is, by appearing clueless about the rigours of touring in Japan.'

I liked the relax feeling of the film...one really does'nt want to watch a horizon type documentary...its about their life in the K-Ballet....dancing and all...if i wanted to watch them dance i'd buy a ticket. Anyway I loved those two..maybe they should go into tv now...cos they are so natural on camera. But I must agree that they did not do themselves justice by 'appearing clueless' on the amount of work and tediousness touring offers.


On another Note...has matthew dibble left the K-ballet, cos izz'nt he doing something w/ Adam Cooper and Lez?? I've never watched him dance..but pple say hes really good.....shame he was'nt on that match in ballet boyz....he's really goodlookin...but thats beside the point..... (do i see an fixation coming on?)


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  Subject     Author     Message Date     ID  
  RE: Ballet Boyz 2: The Next Step..(has Mattew Dibble left K-... Jim 28-01-01 1
  RE: Ballet Boyz 2: The Next Step..(has Mattew Dibble left K-... David 29-01-01 2
     RE: Ballet Boyz 2: The Next Step..(has Mattew Dibble left K-... Patricia 29-01-01 3
         RE: Ballet Boyz 2: The Next Step..(has Mattew Dibble left K-... Nikki 29-01-01 11
     RE: Ballet Boyz 2: The Next Step..(has Mattew Dibble left K-... MIKE & BILLY 29-01-01 4
         RE: Ballet Boyz 2: The Next Step..(has Mattew Dibble left K-... Antony 29-01-01 18
         RE: Ballet Boyz 2: The Next Step..(has Mattew Dibble left K-... Patricia 31-01-01 29
     RE: Ballet Boyz 2: The Next Step..(has Mattew Dibble left K-... Bruce Madmin 29-01-01 9
     RE: Ballet Boyz 2: The Next Step..(has Mattew Dibble left K-... Anneliese 31-01-01 31
         RE: Ballet Boyz 2: The Next Step..(has Mattew Dibble left K-... Shirley 31-01-01 32
  The touring bit. Stephanie Wragg 29-01-01 5
     RE: The touring bit. sugar plum fairy 29-01-01 6
         RE: The touring bit. MIKE & BILLY 29-01-01 7
             RE: The touring bit. Bruce Madmin 29-01-01 8
                 RE: The touring bit. Terry Amos 29-01-01 10
                     RE: The touring bit. Nikki 29-01-01 12
                         RE: The touring bit. Lizzy Nob!! 29-01-01 13
                             RE: The touring bit. Nikki 29-01-01 14
                             RE: The touring bit. alice 29-01-01 16
                         RE: The touring bit. Ann Welsh 29-01-01 15
                             RE: The touring bit. Shirley 29-01-01 17
             RE: The touring bit. Carol Norris 02-02-01 34
                 RE: The touring bit. Mike & Billy 02-02-01 35
                     RE: The touring bit. Bruce Madmin 03-02-01 36
  RE: Ballet Boyz 2: The Next Step..(has Mattew Dibble left K-... Robert 29-01-01 19
     RE: Ballet Boyz 2: The Next Step..(has Mattew Dibble left K-... Michael 30-01-01 20
         RE: Ballet Boyz 2: The Next Step..(has Mattew Dibble left K-... Tomoko.A 30-01-01 21
             RE: Ballet Boyz 2: The Next Step..(has Mattew Dibble left K-... Tony Newcombe 30-01-01 22
                 RE: Ballet Boyz 2: The Next Step..(has Mattew Dibble left K-... Tomoko.A 31-01-01 25
                     Michael Nunn's Romeo alison 31-01-01 28
     RE: Ballet Boyz 2: The Next Step..(has Mattew Dibble left K-... Nikki 30-01-01 23
         RE: Ballet Boyz 2: The Next Step..(has Mattew Dibble left K-... Tomoko.A 31-01-01 26
         RE: Ballet Boyz 2: The Next Step..(has Mattew Dibble left K-... robert 31-01-01 27
             RE: Ballet Boyz 2: The Next Step..(has Mattew Dibble left K-... Nikki 31-01-01 30
                 RE: Ballet Boyz 2: The Next Step..(has Mattew Dibble left K-... robert 01-02-01 33
                     RE: Ballet Boyz 2: The Next Step..(has Mattew Dibble left K-... Jane N. 03-02-01 37
                         Ballet Boyz in Japan Robert 04-02-01 38
     RE: Ballet Boyz 2: The Next Step..(has Mattew Dibble left K-... Nikki 30-01-01 24
         This was a great programme - Thoroughly enjoyable Sugar 12-02-01 39
         This was a great programme - Thoroughly enjoyable Sugar 12-02-01 40

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Jim

28-01-01, 10:51 PM (GMT)
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1. "RE: Ballet Boyz 2: The Next Step..(has Mattew Dibble left K-Ballet?)"
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   >(do i see an fixation coming on?)

Fixation? I wouldn't recognise one if it stared me in the face



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David

29-01-01, 09:41 AM (GMT)
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2. "RE: Ballet Boyz 2: The Next Step..(has Mattew Dibble left K-Ballet?)"
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   I'm afraid I was appalled by it. They came across as conceited, shallow, and, frankly, not very bright.

A great mistake to show it at all.


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Patricia

29-01-01, 12:33 PM (GMT)
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3. "RE: Ballet Boyz 2: The Next Step..(has Mattew Dibble left K-Ballet?)"
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   We really enjoyed it, it was like catching up with old friends!
I hope they continue to keep in touch


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Nikki

29-01-01, 05:52 PM (GMT)
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11. "RE: Ballet Boyz 2: The Next Step..(has Mattew Dibble left K-Ballet?)"
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   >We really enjoyed it, it was
>like catching up with old
>friends!
>I hope they continue to keep
>in touch


Exactly as I felt! and I do hope that they continue so that we can catch up on them...its like recieveing a 'round robin' from people every few years


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MIKE & BILLY

29-01-01, 12:48 PM (GMT)
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4. "RE: Ballet Boyz 2: The Next Step..(has Mattew Dibble left K-Ballet?)"
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   >I'm afraid I was appalled by
>it. They came across as
>conceited, shallow, and, frankly, not
>very bright.
>
>A great mistake to show it
>at all.

THANKS DAVID VERY CONSTRUCTIVE AND WELL OBSERVED!


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Antony

29-01-01, 11:14 PM (GMT)
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18. "RE: Ballet Boyz 2: The Next Step..(has Mattew Dibble left K-Ballet?)"
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   The caps lock key is usually located towards the bottom left-hand corner of your keyboard.


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Patricia

31-01-01, 01:13 PM (GMT)
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29. "RE: Ballet Boyz 2: The Next Step..(has Mattew Dibble left K-Ballet?)"
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   To Mike and Billy....it`s great to have you back, we`ve missed
you...keep in touch with your plans
Patricia


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Bruce Madmin

29-01-01, 02:49 PM (GMT)
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9. "RE: Ballet Boyz 2: The Next Step..(has Mattew Dibble left K-Ballet?)"
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   >I'm afraid I was appalled by
>it. They came across as
>conceited, shallow, and, frankly, not
>very bright.
>
>A great mistake to show it
>at all.

I recall that the first series tended to polarise opinion between those thinking it quite horrid and a poor advertisement for ballet and those who enjoyed it. I'm very much in the later camp and think it great to see fresh perspectives on how shows get put on and the reality of dancers existences at times. I also think it candid of them to say that it had not exactly worked out and that what Dowell said might happen has. Its the absence of gloss and staging that I appreciate.

There is also the whole thing about them 'stabbing RB/Dowell in the back' and that must obviously jar with some. I don't understand this view however. I actually thought them brave and even though RB has suffered a little it was probably no bad thing for the dancers that stayed and quite possibly the audience. At a time of crass mismanagement within ROH it reminded some that there are other options in life and while RB might be a great institution it can't treat people horridly and expect no push back.

Whatever I look forward to seeing George Piper Dances.



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Anneliese

31-01-01, 09:35 PM (GMT)
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31. "RE: Ballet Boyz 2: The Next Step..(has Mattew Dibble left K-Ballet?)"
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   >I'm afraid I was appalled by
>it. They came across as
>conceited, shallow, and, frankly, not
>very bright.
>
>A great mistake to show it
>at all.

Hmmm. Am only replying to this thread now as I was trying to catch bits of the show round baby Tim's bathtime on Sunday and wanted to sit down and concentrate on the vid - and luckily today I also caught Michael Nunn on Midweek, so can deliver an even more highly considered verdict (!)

I think that the above posting has more relevance to the original series (although I wouldn't have gone so far as to say "not very bright" - just a little naive/shortsighted perhaps, understandable given the years and years of being looked after by the RB). In this programme I thought that both "Boyz" seemed to have matured considerably and Michael in particular came over as a far more sympathetic character than he had seemed before. Well, I suppose the whole K ballet experience has been one hell of a growing up thing for these guys! I have to say I'm surprised they didn't see the "Teddy Star Vehicle" thing coming but then I'm notoriously cynical. My view on the whole enterprise? A crying shame that all that talent had to leave the RB for very little artistic satisfaction (shades of La Guillem and POB?) - they are still very much missed (by management as well as audiences I strongly suspect). However, maybe this is their last chance to do something risky and exciting in the dance world - and good luck to them.

Just one question - was that Leanne Benjamin we kept catching fleeting glimpses of?


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Shirley

31-01-01, 09:51 PM (GMT)
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32. "RE: Ballet Boyz 2: The Next Step..(has Mattew Dibble left K-Ballet?)"
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>Just one question - was that
>Leanne Benjamin we kept catching
>fleeting glimpses of?

Yep it was!



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Stephanie Wragg

29-01-01, 12:59 PM (GMT)
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5. "The touring bit."
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   But I must agree
>that they did not do
>themselves justice by 'appearing clueless'
>on the amount of work
>and tediousness touring offers.


I don't think they appeared clueless about life on tour, I think it was more disbelief at the rigour of it all, especially since there seemed to be so much support staff about, or perhaps because of it. However, I don't think working for the Royal Ballet gives dancers much extensive touring experience, the company rarely leaves London apart for one major tour every few years (am I getting this right?) The closest the company came to touring would have been the Dance Bites performances, and those were either 1 or 2 nights away from the megalopolis, and sometimes just a short drive from London so it's not even an over-nighter (e.g. High Wycombe, where I saw Michael Nunn in 'In the middle, somewhat elevated', quite impressive by the way).


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sugar plum fairy

29-01-01, 02:07 PM (GMT)
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6. "RE: The touring bit."
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   it is true that the Royal Ballet doesn't leave London that often , but they should have realised what they were letting themselves in for . after saying all that , it was a good programme . Did anyone else think that " Teddy " was too much of a show off , and that because the company was backed by a Japanese TV company he thought it was " his " company ?? personally i think that one or more of the dancers ( if they haven't done so already ) will drift back to the Royal Ballet Company !!


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MIKE & BILLY

29-01-01, 02:24 PM (GMT)
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7. "RE: The touring bit."
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   TOURING WITH THE ROYAL BALLET WAS NOT ALWAYS EASY, WE DID SEVERAL LONG TOURS BUT NEVER 10 WEEKS IN ONE COUNTRY.ADD TO THAT THE REHEARSAL PERIOD AND YOU ARE LOOKING AT 18WKS OF THE SAME REPERTOIRE.


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Bruce Madmin

29-01-01, 02:45 PM (GMT)
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8. "RE: The touring bit."
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   >TOURING WITH THE ROYAL BALLET WAS
>NOT ALWAYS EASY, WE DID
>SEVERAL LONG TOURS BUT NEVER
>10 WEEKS IN ONE COUNTRY.ADD
>TO THAT THE REHEARSAL PERIOD
>AND YOU ARE LOOKING AT
>18WKS OF THE SAME REPERTOIRE.
>

Gentleman:
Would it be possible for you to email me - there could be beers in it even...!
Bruce (sometime editor and webmaster of these pages = general dogsbody!)
bruce@ballet.co.uk


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Terry Amos

29-01-01, 03:34 PM (GMT)
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10. "RE: The touring bit."
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   Thank goodness that most dancers are not as silly as that.


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Nikki

29-01-01, 05:59 PM (GMT)
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12. "RE: The touring bit."
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   LAST EDITED ON 29-01-01 AT 06:38 PM (GMT)

LAST EDITED ON 29-01-01 AT 06:12PM (GMT)

>Thank goodness that most dancers are
>not as silly as that.
>

I dont think they were silly at all, .....and if you read the article in the Observer then you'd realise the Channel 4 and the Producers of the programme wanted it to be a relaxed approached 'video diary'....so that people would enjoy the programme..sit down and watch it..and thus be introduced to ballet in a fun kinda way....even though I love ballet..those epic patronizing documentaries make me want to sleep...tv is fun...not anoter extension of a lecturing hall. But thats beside the point

On another thread So has matthew dibble left K-Ballet...?and who's the WIlliam Trevitts wife is she Hatley?...ohh so many questions! and another one is Bill and Mike really Nunn and Trevvit ohhh how exciting!

(To Bill and Mike :dont worry im not some kinda groupie, stalker like the girls on the programme...how scary to have pple like that!But its really funny...and also my ma has a huge crush on the brown haired guy..keeps on saying...so Nikki when your older thats the type of guy i'll allow you to Marry....parents eh!..she probably wished she could marry him!...now thats scary!)


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Lizzy Nob!!

29-01-01, 06:18 PM (GMT)
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13. "RE: The touring bit."
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   Hey darlin! You sound sooo partonizing and posh in these posting!! Freak! See im reading them..you happy now! I emailed you but you probably read here more than your emails.....please email me gotta sort out the hols!

Love Liz

EMAIL ME!!!!!!!


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Nikki

29-01-01, 06:23 PM (GMT)
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14. "RE: The touring bit."
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   >Hey darlin! You sound sooo partonizing
>and posh in these posting!!
>Freak! See im reading them..you
>happy now! I emailed
>you but you probably read
>here more than your emails.....please
>email me gotta sort out
>the hols!
>
>Love Liz
>
>EMAIL ME!!!!!!!


Your suppose to post something about ballet..!!..LOL well i'am impressed that you posted! I promise to email you.....i promise!


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alice

29-01-01, 07:04 PM (GMT)
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16. "RE: The touring bit."
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>Your suppose to post something about
>ballet..!!..LOL well i'am impressed
>that you posted! I promise
>to email you.....i promise!


niks..
hope im not interrupting your little ballet obsession... but just want to say that the whole summer thing is sounding great hun.. and i cant wait to be really cultural/pretty/hippy.. (whatever suits our mood) with u and liz... hehe/
ok..love u loads!
alice
xxx
p.s. i agree w/ nobs your so trying to be arty farty! & send me my bloody tape!!


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Ann Welsh

29-01-01, 06:40 PM (GMT)
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15. "RE: The touring bit."
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   Nikki: the brown-haired guy is Billy, lovely wife unknown, but cute kids, eh?

Michael is married to Belinda and I believe they also have kids.

As to Matthew Dibble, it looks as though he too is deserting the ship in favour of working with Adam and Lez. Given the illustrious list of participants in Liasons (sic), this promises to be the excitement of the year.

It would be good to know what Cassidy and Avis are up to as well.

However, getting back to Ballet Boyz, from the brief excerpts of K-ballet in performance, does anybody have the impression that their repertoire is a bit naff


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Shirley

29-01-01, 08:10 PM (GMT)
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17. "RE: The touring bit."
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   >Nikki: the brown-haired guy is Billy,
>lovely wife unknown, but cute
>kids, eh?

I think Billy is married to an ex RB dancer whose name I"m not sure of but think it may be Rachael! I could of course be completely wrong on both accounts!
>
>Michael is married to Belinda and
>I believe they also have
>kids.

No kids I believe!
>
>As to Matthew Dibble, it looks
>as though he too is
>deserting the ship in favour
>of working with Adam and
>Lez. Given the illustrious
>list of participants in Liasons
>(sic), this promises to be
>the excitement of the year.
>
>
>It would be good to know
>what Cassidy and Avis are
>up to as well.

In Japan doing another tour with K-Ballet!


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Carol Norris

02-02-01, 08:47 PM (GMT)
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34. "RE: The touring bit."
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   Bother the touring bit.Thank you for a truthful @ fascinating tv programme. Delighted you are returning to UK-hope the other 3 return too.Also hope we shall see the Wet Spoleto Battered Jeans Ballet @ lots of other Classical/Contemporary/Modern Dance from GPD.Can't locate a website for GPD-is there one?If not,please create soon with a mailing list. Capitalize on your success and media interest.We need GEORGE PIPER DANCES.


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   >Bother the touring bit.Thank you for
>a truthful @ fascinating tv
>programme. Delighted you are returning
>to UK-hope the other 3
>return too.Also hope we shall
>see the Wet Spoleto Battered
>Jeans Ballet @ lots of
>other Classical/Contemporary/Modern Dance from GPD.Can't
>locate a website for GPD-is
>there one?If not,please create soon
>with a mailing list. Capitalize
>on your success and media
>interest.We need GEORGE PIPER DANCES.
>

www.gpdances.com


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Bruce Madmin

03-02-01, 06:43 AM (GMT)
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36. "RE: The touring bit."
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   http://www.gpdances.com/


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Robert

29-01-01, 11:39 PM (GMT)
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19. "RE: Ballet Boyz 2: The Next Step..(has Mattew Dibble left K-Ballet?)"
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   I thought Ballet boyz very interesting but also depressing. Japan looked awful, the theatres they danced in were modern and impersonal the audiences all female and young and the ballets naff. The dancers were all very attractive amusing and able but I felt very sorry for them in such an inhospitable environment. They were obviously just a backing group for Teddy the Japanese superstar. And his self indulgent show, I hope they can all come back and make a fresh start to their careers, it was all a most unfortunate mistake.


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Michael

30-01-01, 02:27 AM (GMT)
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20. "RE: Ballet Boyz 2: The Next Step..(has Mattew Dibble left K-Ballet?)"
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   I believe Mrs Trevitt was Rebecca Holmes, ex-RB,and noticeable in the corps because of her lovely eyes. She was always very touching as one of the harlots arriving in Louisiana in Manon Act III, completely worn out and and at the end of her tether. I was disappointed in the programme as the Boys seemed more naive than I would have expected about the realities and rigors of the commercial company, and about the inevitability that Teddy would hog the limelight. Anyway, I too would like to see more, and wish them luck for the future. They, and Cassidy especially, are still missed by many RB regulars


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Tomoko.A

30-01-01, 06:49 PM (GMT)
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21. "RE: Ballet Boyz 2: The Next Step..(has Mattew Dibble left K-Ballet?)"
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   Michael Nunn - I really want to see his Des Grieux !
Having watched Ballet Boyz 2, I started regretting AGAIN that I've never seen him dance Des Grieux. I remember him saying in the first Ballet Boyz that Manon is his favourite ballet. What was his Des Grieux like ? Who was (were) his Manon(s)? Can anyone please tell me ! And I haven't seen his Romeo either !! Where was I ? I wish I had seen him a lot in MacMillan's ballets while he was with the RB. Is The Judas Three the only video featuring Michael ?
I also can't forgive K Ballet for not having given him a chance to dance the role of Jose in Carmen by Petit. I think he would have been a great Jose (better than Teddy). I don't know how the RB will change from the next season. But I do hope R.Stretton will invite him as a guest. Of course I can't wait to see him dance in his new company !


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Tony Newcombe

30-01-01, 07:14 PM (GMT)
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22. "RE: Ballet Boyz 2: The Next Step..(has Mattew Dibble left K-Ballet?)"
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   I first saw him dance Des Grieux back in April 1992 at the Bristol Hippodrome. The last time the Royal toured in this country. Bonnie Moore was his Manon in two performances that week. (Irek was Lescaut). I rate his Des Grieux very highly. He then danced it a few times with Sarah Wildor during the Opera House closure. That was some partnership. The last time he danced in Manon was as the Gaoler! No wonder he probably thought it was time to move on. I should add that even in performing this, he brought his considerable acting talents to the role.


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Tomoko.A

31-01-01, 00:02 AM (GMT)
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25. "RE: Ballet Boyz 2: The Next Step..(has Mattew Dibble left K-Ballet?)"
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   Thanks for posting Tony. His Manon was Sarah ! Why did I miss their Manon ? I will regret this for the rest of my life !! How did you find his Romeo ? Who was his Juliet ?


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alison

31-01-01, 12:55 PM (GMT)
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28. "Michael Nunn's Romeo"
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   Nunn only ever did one performance as Romeo with the Royal (unfortunately). It was a late-addition matinee (the same day as Bussell made her debut as Juliet), and I was unable to go because I was already booked up, and couldn't face 2 performances the same day anyway. However, if I'd known it was to be his only performance I would have tried to get there somehow. I seem to remember that his reviews were good, but since his Juliet was Wildor, also making her debut, he tended to get a bit eclipsed in the reviews. Certainly they were great together in Manon, but again he didn't get many performances (story of his career, unfortunately - obviously you need to be made a principal before you get to dance a role ad nauseam).


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Nikki

30-01-01, 07:22 PM (GMT)
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23. "RE: Ballet Boyz 2: The Next Step..(has Mattew Dibble left K-Ballet?)"
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   >I thought Ballet boyz very interesting
>but also depressing. Japan looked
>awful, the theatres they danced
>in were modern and impersonal
>the audiences all female and
>young and the ballets naff.
>The dancers were all very
>attractive amusing and able but
>I felt very sorry for
>them in such an inhospitable
>environment.

c'mon...how can make an assumption about japan in a 1hour show....? The tediousness was the touring not the place...imagine having to dance around the UK? Sorry But i'd take japan any day (alleast they have proper train system ! -Mr Prescott take a hint!)

Also Ms Gulliem..the dancer extraordinare talking about her favourite countries says: 'Japan is a definite favourite ("the food is excellent!")."Last year I spent five months in Japan altogether."

So have you been to japan? I have and I loved it



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Tomoko.A

31-01-01, 00:11 AM (GMT)
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26. "RE: Ballet Boyz 2: The Next Step..(has Mattew Dibble left K-Ballet?)"
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   Thank you Nikki !! There are real ballet lovers too in Japan. I found K-Ballet audiences really strange though. I've never seen something like them when I lived there.


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31-01-01, 01:50 AM (GMT)
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27. "RE: Ballet Boyz 2: The Next Step..(has Mattew Dibble left K-Ballet?)"
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   Nikki.
I think you misunderstood my message. Japan may be wonderful, I have never been able to afford to go. What I said is that Japan looked aweful, as it did in the film. The Ballet Boyz made the film and chose to show the worst aspects of the country, possibly because they were understandably fed up. I could not help contrasting it with my visit to Covent Garden last week by train.(no rail problems) Covent Garden looked beautiful, both the Piazza and the Theatre, The sandwiches were good,the audience was mixed male and female, and La Fille was as lovely as I remembered it, and beautfully danced. I returned home to deep snow. I feel sympathy for the Ballet boyz as second strings to Teddy on his ego trip in far off Japan. I look forward to seeing them here, in a more interesting Ballet company. Perhaps they will make a film of that.


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Nikki

31-01-01, 08:26 PM (GMT)
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30. "RE: Ballet Boyz 2: The Next Step..(has Mattew Dibble left K-Ballet?)"
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>said is that Japan looked
>aweful, as it did in
>the film. The Ballet Boyz
>made the film and chose
>to show the worst aspects
>of the country, possibly because
>they were understandably fed up.
>I could not help contrasting
>it with my visit to
>Covent Garden last week by
>train.(no rail problems) Covent Garden
>looked beautiful, both the Piazza
>and the Theatre, The sandwiches
>were good,the audience was mixed
>male and female, and La
>Fille was as lovely as
>I remembered it, and beautfully
>danced.

Im sorry?... But what did you mean when you said that 'japan looked awful?' iss'nt that what you meant...? Well any how...the film was about ballet...not a travel progamme...its not meant to show 'japan'...what was awful was some of the fans that K-Ballet attracted...and they only showed the most extreme cases! and anyway its nice to see lots of pple interested in ballet...but if you go to ..criticaldance.com and read Kevin Ngs articled about Tokoyo being the ballet capital of the world. More renowed ballet companys visit Tokoyo than New York or London...look at what kinda dancers Japan produces..(Brillaint Ms Yoshida)

c'mon its television..entertainment! And I dont feel that they were showing the 'worst' aspects of the country 'because they were fed up'..it was awful cos the company became this back up group for teddy (i agree w/ you on that point )...i dont think its anything to do about the country. Its just their experience of K-Ballet...not ones experience of the country..they had no time to tour and savour the place....it was dance one nite....and then on the bus for the next destination



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robert

01-02-01, 05:14 PM (GMT)
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33. "RE: Ballet Boyz 2: The Next Step..(has Mattew Dibble left K-Ballet?)"
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   The Japan shown in the film to my eyes looked awful. The Japan of the Hokusai woodcuts on the wall looks very picturesque and very beautiful The Japan in the Mikado is quite fascinating but Gilbert and Sullivan new even less about Japan than I do. Like television today that was entertainment.
My view of Japan is immaterial, what made me depressed was seeing these talented dancers wasting away on a naff project. The idea of them performing like the Chippendales to an almost entirely young female audience who have paid over 100 pounds a seat, when they could have all been dancing here in something more inspiring, artistic and financially accessible strikes me as sad.
PS I am pleased that Yoshida, who danced and acted so well last Friday at Covent Garden, obviously feels the same.


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Jane N.

03-02-01, 11:14 AM (GMT)
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37. "RE: Ballet Boyz 2: The Next Step..(has Mattew Dibble left K-Ballet?)"
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   MIKE & BILLY: I've only just caught up with this programme, as I've been away, but I really enjoyed it. I thought it was as eye-opening as the first Ballet Boyz, and I'm grateful to you for being so honest about your feelings, both good and bad, when you were in the rather vulnerable position of forming a new company. Thank you both.

ROBERT: "The Japan shown in the film to my eyes looked awful. The Japan of the Hokusai woodcuts on the wall looks very picturesque and very beautiful" - yes, well, paintings of the Lake District in England look great, but scarcely reflect the whole country, or have anything to do with the back streets around some theatres in London.

"what made me depressed was seeing these talented dancers wasting away on a naff project. The idea of them performing like the Chippendales to an almost entirely young female audience who have paid over 100 pounds a seat, when they could have all been dancing here in something more inspiring, artistic and financially accessible strikes me as sad." I think comparing K-ballet to the Chippendales is rather cheap, and it's not exactly their fault that in Japan, appreciation of ballet seems to be limited to young girls. As regards the ticket prices, that is presumably something more under the control of the theatre management, not necessarily the dancers themselves. Finally, I would have thought that the six of them have more than done their bit dancing here during their years with the Royal Ballet, and I suppose they understandably fancied spreading their wings a little. I don't think that what they are doing is any less inspiring or artistic merely because they are trying something different. All new companies take time to refine their style, so I think you should give them a chance before you condemn the whole thing as a "naff project".


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Robert

04-02-01, 03:01 AM (GMT)
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38. "Ballet Boyz in Japan"
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   Oh dear, yet another person is upset by my remarks about Japan. I know Japan has a great artistic tradition and is beautiful in parts, but it did not look that way in the film made by the Balletboyz. Scotland looked terrible in Trainspotting and any film by Ken Loach makes England look awful. Matthew Bourne even made an interesting and exciting ballet out of an unprepossessing view of aspects of American life.
In an interview two of the balletboyz said that they were like the Chippendales performing to rather weird all female audiences who had paid over 100 per seat. When Teddy was injured he apologised to the audience for the fact that members of the baletboyz would replace him ,the balletboyz were understandably upset. Like you I appreciate what they have done in the past but the film depressed me, as it seemed a waste of their talent. As compensation I hope they made lots of money, and I hope their new plans for the future materialise.


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Nikki

30-01-01, 07:22 PM (GMT)
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24. "RE: Ballet Boyz 2: The Next Step..(has Mattew Dibble left K-Ballet?)"
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Sugar

12-02-01, 02:00 PM (GMT)
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39. "This was a great programme - Thoroughly enjoyable"
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   I am not a ballet dancer (or a dancer of any kind except for when I go clubbing on a Friday night) I have never been to the ballet (too expensive) and I have no plans to visit the ballet any time in the near and distant future....

So as a complete novice to this genre I found Ballet Boyz II a great programme. It was entertaining, refreshing and kept me engaged throughout. For me it broke all the taboos of male ballet dancers - I always imagined them as all gay and limp-wristed. The two lead players (mike and billy) were very down-to-earth, regular guys whom I could identify with (couldn't care less whether they were gay or not). The filming felt real and not contrived and I genuinly cared about whether the company were a success or not.

I admired them for their bravery to leave something safe in order to try something new unpredictable. How many of us would love to do that! I did not feel Teddy was a showoff and even if he was - SO WHAT, he's damn good at what he does and I found him a joy to watch.

Mike and Billy if you read this, does K Ballet still exist and if so will you be peforming (with Teddy) in London any time soon - I may not be a regular ballet fan but I would certainly come along to see you guys.

Great stuff BOYZ!


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Sugar

12-02-01, 02:00 PM (GMT)
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40. "This was a great programme - Thoroughly enjoyable"
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   I am not a ballet dancer (or a dancer of any kind except for when I go clubbing on a Friday night) I have never been to the ballet (too expensive) and I have no plans to visit the ballet any time in the near and distant future....

So as a complete novice to this genre I found Ballet Boyz II a great programme. It was entertaining, refreshing and kept me engaged throughout. For me it broke all the taboos of male ballet dancers - I always imagined them as all gay and limp-wristed. The two lead players (mike and billy) were very down-to-earth, regular guys whom I could identify with (couldn't care less whether they were gay or not). The filming felt real and not contrived and I genuinly cared about whether the company were a success or not.

I admired them for their bravery to leave something safe in order to try something new unpredictable. How many of us would love to do that! I did not feel Teddy was a showoff and even if he was - SO WHAT, he's damn good at what he does and I found him a joy to watch.

Mike and Billy if you read this, does K Ballet still exist and if so will you be peforming (with Teddy) in London any time soon - I may not be a regular ballet fan but I would certainly come along to see you guys.

Great stuff BOYZ!


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