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Michael

06-01-01, 03:41 AM (GMT)
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"Belinda Hatley in Nutcracker"
 
   Belindas Sugar Plum Fairy tonight was a performance of immense charm, exquisite poise and beautiful footwork, as we have come to expect from her, but she glowed tonight with that wonderful air of authority that comes with maturity. She wasn't even fazed by her one mistake - finishing her solo one beat ahead of the music - and acknowedged her applause unhurriedly and walked off in the grand manner. The pas de deux, with the noble and self-effacing Urlezaga, was quite stunning in its timing, polish and musicality. The applause was considerable.

Belinda reminds me very much of Lesley Collier, who I think has coached her, and was in the staff box watching.

I really cannot understand why Belinda has not been promoted to principal rank


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  Subject     Author     Message Date     ID  
  RE: Belinda Hatley in Nutcracker Tony Newcombe 06-01-01 1
     RE: Belinda Hatley in Nutcracker Ann Williams 06-01-01 2
         RE: Belinda Hatley in Nutcracker sugarplum 06-01-01 3
             RE: Belinda Hatley in Nutcracker CH 06-01-01 4
                 RE: Belinda Hatley in Nutcracker Ann Williams 06-01-01 5
                 RE: Belinda Hatley in Nutcracker Cindy 07-01-01 6
                     RE: Belinda Hatley in Nutcracker Michael 07-01-01 7
                         RE: Belinda Hatley in Nutcracker Tony Newcombe 08-01-01 8
             RE: Belinda Hatley in Nutcracker Bruce Madmin 09-01-01 9
                 RE: Belinda Hatley in Nutcracker Fuzzyface 09-01-01 10
                 RE: Belinda Hatley in Nutcracker Bruce Madmin 10-01-01 11
             RE: Belinda Hatley in Nutcracker Shirley 10-01-01 12
                 RE: Belinda Hatley in Nutcracker Ann Williams 11-01-01 13
                     RE: Belinda Hatley in Nutcracker eugene 11-01-01 14
                         RE: Belinda Hatley in Nutcracker Jane S 11-01-01 16
                         RE: Belinda Hatley in Nutcracker Shirley 11-01-01 17
                             RE: Belinda Hatley in Nutcracker eugene merrett 11-01-01 18
                             RE: Belinda Hatley in Nutcracker Shirley 12-01-01 19
                             RE: Belinda Hatley in Nutcracker Ann Williams 12-01-01 20
                             RE: Belinda Hatley in Nutcracker Bruce Madmin 12-01-01 21
                     RE: Belinda Hatley in Nutcracker Bruce Madmin 11-01-01 15
                         RE: Belinda Hatley in Nutcracker Tony Newcombe 13-01-01 22

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Tony Newcombe

06-01-01, 12:46 PM (GMT)
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1. "RE: Belinda Hatley in Nutcracker"
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   I was there as well and agree with all you say. I am still waiting to see a performance that matches Collier at her brilliant best, but Belinda comes quite close at the times. Her phrasing yesterday evening was exquisite and there were times when the music did seem to come from her and not the orchestra pit. No mean feat when you consider some of the alledged problems with the conducting in this season of Nutcrackers. It was a shame about the end to the solo. I am sure that a truly good "Ballet" conductor would have covered that. I could sense myself that she was going to finish a shade too early. But as a whole, what a performance. She has been coached by Collier in a number of roles and it definitely shows. Quite a few people over the years have mentioned the fact that she reminds them of Collier at times. Indeed, one of her biggest fans ( a critic now retired) was married to Collier. As far as promotion is concerned !!!!! if there is to be one thing I will not forgive Dowell for............


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Ann Williams

06-01-01, 03:57 PM (GMT)
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2. "RE: Belinda Hatley in Nutcracker"
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I agree with both of you. I've been 'in love' with Hatley ever since I saw her dance the Autumn fairy in Ashton's 'Cinderella' several years ago, and last night I thought she danced with real ballerina authority and radiance. She's a star. Let us not go into Dowell's odd, personal decisions about promotions because, after all, he does get it right some of the time, and maybe there's still time to redeem himself in this case...

About last night's performance, although the cast list stated that Zenaida Yanowsky would be performing the Arabian dance, it was in fact done (very nicely) by Vanessa Palmer. This important change was completely unannounced, although a very minor cast change was scrupulously announced before the show began! Anyone know why?


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sugarplum

06-01-01, 04:08 PM (GMT)
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3. "RE: Belinda Hatley in Nutcracker"
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   Yes Yanowsky is expecting a baby


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CH

06-01-01, 10:44 PM (GMT)
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4. "RE: Belinda Hatley in Nutcracker"
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   Is Zenaida expecting a baby as well? She was on tonight in the Arabian dance (sat), very nicely in fact. Anyone know more on this? The best Royal dancers all expecting!!!


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Ann Williams

06-01-01, 11:49 PM (GMT)
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5. "RE: Belinda Hatley in Nutcracker"
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If it's true about Yanowsky, then I'm delighted for her! But I posted not to ask why she didn't appear, but to ask why no announcement was made about her non-appearance when her name was so clearly in the printed programme, especially given that an announcement was made about a far less significant cast change. If she appeared today, then it is even more of a mystery.


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Cindy

07-01-01, 00:09 AM (GMT)
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6. "RE: Belinda Hatley in Nutcracker"
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   Well how about Wildor the evening <6.01.01> wonderful and Valtat as the rose fairy, Heavenly, she is dancing beautifully. Please lets see more of her. I must say both Johnathan Cope and Putrov were in fine form, Putrov now has gotten into the part, much more relaxed, now seems to be enjoing his role as Nutcracker.
Did the crew, have some problems with the trap door ?
I enjoyed tonights performance, all the performances have been good to date.


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Michael

07-01-01, 11:05 PM (GMT)
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7. "RE: Belinda Hatley in Nutcracker"
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   I'm glad the Hatleyphiles were out in force and that we seem to agree !!! Tony - as an RB goer for 20plus years, I still haven't heard applause to match Colliers farewell performance. We can't live in the past, but she is for me irreplaceable in several roles.


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Tony Newcombe

08-01-01, 00:02 AM (GMT)
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8. "RE: Belinda Hatley in Nutcracker"
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   Yes, that was a very special night. I was lucky to be sitting amongst her friends and family that evening. One Royal dancer who shall remain nameless was in tears throughout the entire performance! You are right we should not live in past, but Belinda, when given the opportunity, does sometimes draw the sort of response that the great Collier used to draw from the audience. Witness Belinda's performance a few nights ago. The applause was heavy and long. The audience knew that they had seen something very special.


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Bruce Madmin

09-01-01, 01:17 AM (GMT)
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9. "RE: Belinda Hatley in Nutcracker"
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   >Yes Yanowsky is expecting a baby
>

This would appear not to be true!


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Fuzzyface

09-01-01, 08:57 AM (GMT)
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10. "RE: Belinda Hatley in Nutcracker"
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   I don't want to be horrible, but I'm REALLY pleased it isn't true!


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Bruce Madmin

10-01-01, 00:15 AM (GMT)
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11. "RE: Belinda Hatley in Nutcracker"
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   >>Yes Yanowsky is expecting a baby
>>
>
>This would appear not to be
>true!

With the benefit of hindsight I don't think I said all I could have on this.

I should not have to, but can I please ask that those who post don't post things that aren't true. It does nobody involved any good at all and can only cause upset to innocent people and tarnish the reputation of the site. Of course we unreservedly apologise to Zenaida and William.

Thank you

Bruce


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Shirley

10-01-01, 11:49 PM (GMT)
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12. "RE: Belinda Hatley in Nutcracker"
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   >Yes Yanowsky is expecting a baby
>


Just thought you would like to know that I was talking to a certain dancer tonight! She was surprised and a little shocked to find out she was expecting a baby but I think her husband more so! No need for dancers to buy pregnancy kits now - all they have to do is log on!!

Is this a new service Ballet Co is providing ?


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Ann Williams

11-01-01, 00:03 AM (GMT)
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13. "RE: Belinda Hatley in Nutcracker"
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   Shirley
I must confess that I am now thoroughly confused! Does this posting merely confirm, in a roundabout kinda way, what Bruce said in his previous posting? Or are we talking now about another dancer whom may or may not be pregnant?

I think we should be told.


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eugene

11-01-01, 01:12 AM (GMT)
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14. "RE: Belinda Hatley in Nutcracker"
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   Well back to the subject of the Nutcracker as oppose to who or who is not having a baby!!!

Much as I would like to see Hatley as the Suger Plum fairy it does not justify spending 2 hours (and 20 quid) of tedious ballet to see ONE pas de deux. I would not even do that for Viviana Durante - my favorite dancer!

And with sandwiches dramatically falling in quality I need more incentive to go the ROH then Ms Hatley.

As to Sarah Wildor - that must be the most serious case of miscasting I have ever seen in a long time. She is far too mousy and diminutive for such a role. I saw her last season in it and I almost burst out laughing!!

We saw the best Sugur Plum on TV last Saturday week. Yoshida incredilby light touch in her variation and amazing pirouetting in the coda knocked me sideways. Technically she is far the best female principal in the company. The other dancers including Bussell are First Division to Yoshida's Premier Ship Division standard. And quite frankly unless I am in the front row of the ROH I see no advantage over seeing Yoshida live as oppose to seeing her on television.

I look forward to time when most the current dancers are put to pasture and the crop of dancers NOT trained at the RBS get promoted to principal rank.


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Jane S

11-01-01, 05:51 PM (GMT)
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16. "RE: Belinda Hatley in Nutcracker"
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>As to Sarah Wildor .... She is far too
>mousy and diminutive for such
>a role. I saw
>her last season in it
>and I almost burst out
>laughing!!
>

Eugene, you are so lucky! I've been longing to see Wildor's famous Sugar Mouse Fairy - such a clever idea, linking back to the rats from Act 1 but turning them into a kind, friendly creature so that Clara doesn't grow up with a serious rodent phobia. And so amusing, too, from what you say. I'm really sorry to have missed it - the day I went she was just doing her normal exceptionally-musical-and-endlessly-interesting ballerina act. Maybe next year...


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Shirley

11-01-01, 07:23 PM (GMT)
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17. "RE: Belinda Hatley in Nutcracker"
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>
>We saw the best Sugur Plum
>on TV last Saturday week.
> Yoshida incredilby light touch
>in her variation and amazing
>pirouetting in the coda knocked
>me sideways. Technically
>she is far the best
>female principal in the company.

I assume you have seen every performance to be able to state that so emphatically!!

> The other dancers including
>Bussell are First Division to
>Yoshida's Premier Ship Division
>standard. And quite frankly
>unless I am in the
>front row of the ROH
>I see no advantage over
>seeing Yoshida live as oppose
>to seeing her on television.

Have you booked your front row tickets for Yoshida Eugene, or are we not going to see you at the Opera House for now on?
>
>
>I look forward to time when
>most the current dancers are
>put to pasture and the
>crop of dancers NOT trained
>at the RBS get promoted
>to principal rank.

Eugene I am so glad to hear your completely unbiased view of the current crop of principal dancers at the RB! Perhaps you need to watch a few more live shows and see all casts with an open mind before you do your usual hatchet job on dancers which you personally do not like!


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eugene merrett

11-01-01, 11:43 PM (GMT)
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18. "RE: Belinda Hatley in Nutcracker"
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   Regarding Sarah Wildor - no matter how good a dancer is there are some roles in which she or he are not suited to. Much as I like Yoshida I would not want to see her do Forsythe or Appollo. And I am sure that even the most devoted Bussell fans would not wish to see her do Rhapsody. There are horses for courses and this applies even to Sarah Wildor!

And I am sorry to say this but THE real bias lies with those who think that their favorite dancer is good in EVERY role!! I note some of the things said about Sylvie Gulliem which I would NEVER say about my favorite dancer! My objectivity precludes this. So who is being biased now!

I would like to to see Hatley in the Nutcracker and Rojo but I cannot really justify spending an entire evening out just to see 10 minutes of a particular dancer. No dancer (or any artist) in the world is good enough for that.


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Shirley

12-01-01, 06:59 AM (GMT)
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19. "RE: Belinda Hatley in Nutcracker"
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   >And I am sorry to say
>this but THE real bias
>lies with those who think
>that their favorite dancer is
>good in EVERY role!!
>I note some of the
>things said about Sylvie Gulliem
>which I would NEVER say
>about my favorite dancer! My
>objectivity precludes this. So
>who is being biased now!
>

Are you accusing me of this Eugene because I would like to see the postings I made about any dancer being good in every role!


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Ann Williams

12-01-01, 11:31 AM (GMT)
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20. "RE: Belinda Hatley in Nutcracker"
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   Now Eugene, I think we all know you are not being serious here, just attempting to be deliberately provocative, but even so your original posting in this thread is particularly daft!

If you want to be provocative in a constructive way (which is what I assume you intended) you need to come up with something a bit more subtle and viable than suggesting that distinguished dancers be 'put to pasture'!

Incidentally, I think you should come clean and admit that you have have only about four years ballet-going experience behind you - your confidence might lead some to suspect that it was more like forty.



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Bruce Madmin

12-01-01, 06:38 PM (GMT)
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21. "RE: Belinda Hatley in Nutcracker"
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Children - PEACE PLEASE - the last few contibutions to this thread are not very dignified or constructive.






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Bruce Madmin

11-01-01, 06:48 AM (GMT)
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15. "RE: Belinda Hatley in Nutcracker"
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   Can I suggest that we stop talking about babies etc and drawing out an unfortunate episode even longer.

I'm told the original posting is not true and whoever posted it should be thoroughly ashamed.


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Tony Newcombe

13-01-01, 11:36 AM (GMT)
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22. "RE: Belinda Hatley in Nutcracker"
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   To get back to the original posting, I was privileged to see Belinda Hatley's second performance on thursday evening. It was even better than her first. Having got the first performance out of the way, she really played with her solo this time. She shared this with the audience as well. She looked us in the eye has she held balances a shade longer than normal. At the end of the performance you could see that she knew that it had been very good, and the long and generous applause from the audience confirmed this.


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