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Jim

04-01-01, 09:25 AM (GMT)
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"The principle of being a principal!"
 
   Sorry if I'm being pedantic, but it's getting on my nerves! It's really not that difficult


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  RE: The principle of being a principal! Carly Gillies 04-01-01 1
     RE: The principle of being a principal! Carly Gillies 04-01-01 2
         RE: The principle of being a principal! Ann Williams 04-01-01 3
             RE: The principle of being a principal! Stuart Sweeney 04-01-01 4
                 RE: The principle of being a principal! Jim 05-01-01 5
     RE: The principle of being a principal! Jim 05-01-01 6
         RE: The principle of being a principal! Pete 05-01-01 7
             RE: The principle of being a principal! Stuart Sweeney 05-01-01 8
                 RE: The principle of being a principal! Jim 05-01-01 9
                     RE: The principle of being a principal! Viviane 05-01-01 10
                         RE: The principle of being a principal! Jim 05-01-01 12
                     RE: The principle of being a principal! Richard J 05-01-01 11
                         RE: The principle of being a principal! Anneliese 05-01-01 13
                             RE: The principle of being a principal! Jonathan 05-01-01 14
                             RE: The principle of being a principal! Jim 05-01-01 15
                             RE: The principle of being a principal! Carly Gillies 05-01-01 19
                             RE: The principle of being a principal! Bruce Madmin 05-01-01 16
                             RE: The principle of being a principal! Jim 05-01-01 17
                             RE: The principle of being a principal! Helen 05-01-01 18
                             RE: The principle of being a principal! Richard J 05-01-01 20
                             RE: The principle of being a principal! Jim 05-01-01 21
                             RE: The principle of being a principal! Catherine 06-01-01 22
                             RE: The principle of being a principal! Viviane 06-01-01 23
                             RE: The principle of being a principal! Bruce Madmin 07-01-01 24
                             RE: The principle of being a principal! Jim 07-01-01 25
                             RE: The principle of being a principal! Caz 08-01-01 27
                             RE: The principle of being a principal! Caz 08-01-01 26
  RE: The principle of being a principal! David Leonard 10-01-01 28
     RE: The principle of being a principal! eug 10-01-01 29
         RE: The principle of being a principal! Carly 10-01-01 30
         RE: The principle of being a principal! Liz P 12-01-01 31
             RE: The principle of being a principal! Richard J 12-01-01 32

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Carly Gillies

04-01-01, 09:32 PM (GMT)
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1. "RE: The principle of being a principal!"
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   So Sylvie might be a principled principal, and Jonathan Cope ( in the right role ) could be called a princely pricipal of principle ? - Or Wot ?


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Carly Gillies

04-01-01, 09:35 PM (GMT)
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2. "RE: The principle of being a principal!"
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   >
>pricipal

Oooops !!


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Ann Williams

04-01-01, 10:19 PM (GMT)
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3. "RE: The principle of being a principal!"
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   Is Jim's posting all about spelling, then? I've spent the day scratching my head over this one, too proud to ask for help.


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Stuart Sweeney

04-01-01, 10:46 PM (GMT)
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4. "RE: The principle of being a principal!"
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   Jim, just to say that I'm 100% in support of what you say....in principal.


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Jim

05-01-01, 00:06 AM (GMT)
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5. "RE: The principle of being a principal!"
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   >I'm 100% in support of what
>you say....in principal.

And I think your runcibility know no bounds - in principle! But my principal argument is quite different!



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Jim

05-01-01, 00:11 AM (GMT)
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6. "RE: The principle of being a principal!"
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   >So Sylvie might be a principled
>principal

I think Sylvie's principles are exemplary; that is the principal reason that I admire her so much...


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Pete

05-01-01, 03:34 AM (GMT)
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7. "RE: The principle of being a principal!"
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   Oh great a punathon!...

I entered a newspaper competition the other day. They asked for readers to provide their best 10 puns. I sent in my finest works desperately hoping to win the grand prize. Unfortunately no pun in ten did (.....geddit!)

Seriously though Jim, it narks me little too.



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Stuart Sweeney

05-01-01, 10:06 AM (GMT)
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8. "RE: The principle of being a principal!"
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   For bears of small brain, like me, how about the mnemonic, 'I have a pal who's a Principal.'


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Jim

05-01-01, 10:31 AM (GMT)
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9. "RE: The principle of being a principal!"
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   >'I have a pal who's a Principal.'

Yes, that's the one I use!



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Viviane

05-01-01, 12:40 PM (GMT)
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10. "RE: The principle of being a principal!"
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   Is this the new Chat-page ?


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Jim

05-01-01, 01:29 PM (GMT)
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12. "RE: The principle of being a principal!"
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   >Is this the new Chat-page ?

Viviane! How could you! This is a matter of the most grave balletic importance!


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Richard J

05-01-01, 12:48 PM (GMT)
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11. "RE: The principle of being a principal!"
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   Another principle to bear in mind is that 'principal' (which contains an 'a') can be used as an adjective as well as a noun, whereas 'principle' is only used as a noun.

Thus it is a principle of the RB that its principal dancers are known as principals.


(The use of 'principled' as an adjective shouldn't cause any confusion, as it is a different word).

I hope this helps someone.


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Anneliese

05-01-01, 02:10 PM (GMT)
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13. "RE: The principle of being a principal!"
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   As a renowned member of the grammar police on our workplace chat forum, I now feel all smug and self-righteous that I have refrained from getting on my high horse and correcting spelling and grammar in these pages! And grateful to Jim for doing it for me... now, all we need is a posting from Eugene and we'll be all set.


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Jonathan

05-01-01, 05:07 PM (GMT)
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14. "RE: The principle of being a principal!"
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   The principle of being "a" principal is flawed anyway. If principal means chief, foremost, highest etc. then any organization which claims to have a number of them is misusing the word, if you want to be really pedantic.


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Jim

05-01-01, 05:38 PM (GMT)
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15. "RE: The principle of being a principal!"
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   >any organization which claims to have a number
>of them is misusing the word, if you want to
>be really pedantic.

Agreed. In this case the word "principal" is presumably being used adjectivally (q.v. Richard's point) but with the implied noun omitted. So in saying that "Darcey is a principal" is surely implying that "Darcey is a principal dancer"?
What started me off on this is that in several threads (I won't name them!) we see statements like "Darcey is a principle"!


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Carly Gillies

05-01-01, 06:07 PM (GMT)
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19. "RE: The principle of being a principal!"
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   >
>"Darcey is
>a principle"!

Oooh...It's SO tempting to imagine what "The Darcey Principle" might be ..


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Bruce Madmin

05-01-01, 05:39 PM (GMT)
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16. "RE: The principle of being a principal!"
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   >As a renowned member of
>the grammar police on our
>workplace chat forum, I now
>feel all smug and self-righteous
>that I have refrained from
>getting on my high horse
>and correcting spelling and grammar
>in these pages! And
>grateful to Jim for doing
>it for me... now, all
>we need is a posting
>from Eugene and we'll be
>all set.

Fun aside... being horridly serious I hope we never get to that point ie critising poor English on others postings. It's just not encouraging and so few people, of the thousands who visit, have the confidence to post anyway. Whatever, this site is a testement to the typo and it's unlikely to change!


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Jim

05-01-01, 05:43 PM (GMT)
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17. "RE: The principle of being a principal!"
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   >I hope we never get to that point ie critising poor
>English on others postings.

I whole-heartedly agree Bruce! As you see, I have been extremely careful not to be too specific!

>this site is a testement to the typo and it's
>unlikely to change!

I feel sure you mean "testimony". I think a testement is something to do with the bible


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Helen

05-01-01, 05:51 PM (GMT)
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18. "RE: The principle of being a principal!"
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   Especially if you spell it "Testament".


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Richard J

05-01-01, 08:14 PM (GMT)
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20. "RE: The principle of being a principal!"
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   "Testament" can also relate to your "Last Will and Testament"!

Seriously, Bruce is right to encourage all potential posters; we talk about widening audience appeal for the performing arts, so it's important to have this exchange of views to help build a knowledgeable audience.

But the Darcey Principle......and presumably there must also be the Sylvie Principle, etc......not forgetting, in this pantomime season, the Principal Boy Principle; something which is nearer the ballet world than many may think. The first Franz in Coppelia (1870) was Eugenie Fiocre, "a much admired beauty, especially in her many travesty roles" (Ox. Dict. of Ballet). According to Fonteyn's book "The Magic of Dance", Fiocre was "a great beauty with long legs and a ready wit".....so, there you go, as they say. (This was about the same time that the principal boy of English pantomime was becoming an established part of our theatre scene).


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Jim

05-01-01, 08:25 PM (GMT)
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21. "RE: The principle of being a principal!"
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   >it's important to have this exchange
>of views to help build a knowledgeable audience.

Amen to that!

>The first Franz in Coppelia (1870) was Eugenie
>Fiocre, "a much admired beauty,

Yes, I heard in a programme presented by David Blair (many years ago) that is the principal reason why Délibes' music for Coppélia is not scored with any thumping heavy beat tunes to which we normally expect the men to dance their grand variations.


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Catherine

06-01-01, 11:30 AM (GMT)
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22. "RE: The principle of being a principal!"
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   LAST EDITED ON 06-01-01 AT 12:09 PM (GMT)

Why don't they call Etoile like in POB like that no problem of principle or principal.


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Viviane

06-01-01, 04:29 PM (GMT)
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23. "RE: The principle of being a principal!"
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   Cathérine,

I don't think we will ever understand the English !
We are lucky that our darling Webmaster defends the "bad-English"-posters.
Is he the only real gentleman on board ?

But we can learn very fast -you know?- wait and see !
Have a nice weekend everyone !


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Bruce Madmin

07-01-01, 08:52 PM (GMT)
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24. "RE: The principle of being a principal!"
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   >Cathérine,
>
>I don't think we will ever
>understand the English !
>We are lucky that our darling
>Webmaster defends the "bad-English"-posters.
>Is he the only real gentleman
>on board ?

I am indeed!!!


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Jim

07-01-01, 09:02 PM (GMT)
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25. "RE: The principle of being a principal!"
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>I am indeed!!!

Hmmmm!



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Caz

08-01-01, 11:36 AM (GMT)
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27. "RE: The principle of being a principal!"
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   >I don't think we will ever
>understand the English !
>We are lucky that our darling
>Webmaster defends the "bad-English"-posters.
>Is he the only real gentleman
>on board ?

Evidently not...


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Caz

08-01-01, 11:30 AM (GMT)
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26. "RE: The principle of being a principal!"
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>Fun aside... being horridly serious I
>hope we never get to
>that point ie critising poor
>English on others postings. It's
>just not encouraging and
>so few people, of the
>thousands who visit, have the
>confidence to post anyway. Whatever,
>this site is a testement
>to the typo and it's
>unlikely to change!

Actually we've already had some at least one notable example of that kind of unnecessary criticism...



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David Leonard

10-01-01, 09:09 AM (GMT)
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28. "RE: The principle of being a principal!"
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   A bit late in the day, but at school I was taught:

the principal is your PAL (geddit?)

Also, the difference between stationary and stationery:

e for envelope!


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eug

10-01-01, 01:07 PM (GMT)
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29. "RE: The principle of being a principal!"
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   part of the problem is that the principal is a rarely used terms in England whilst principle is more commonly used. I cannot thing other then ballet which used the word principal.

In contrast Principal is widely used in North America - it is the equivalent to a headmaster/mistress in the UK


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Carly

10-01-01, 02:21 PM (GMT)
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30. "RE: The principle of being a principal!"
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I suggest you see 11 and 15 above if you need clarification


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Liz P

12-01-01, 07:59 PM (GMT)
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31. "RE: The principle of being a principal!"
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   - it
>is the equivalent to a
>headmaster/mistress in the UK

I think you'll find they're called headteachers !


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Richard J

12-01-01, 09:22 PM (GMT)
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32. "RE: The principle of being a principal!"
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   Apart from the use of the word "principal" in the educational world (and we do use it, e.g. for Colleges of Further Education, as well as at some other institutions), it has also been used to refer to a capital sum lent on interest......

Do I hear a giggle coming from the other side of la Manche? Who would have thought we would have so much trouble in absorbing the French words 'principal' and 'principe' into our language!


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