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Ann Williams

31-12-00, 03:59 PM (GMT)
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"POB's 'Jewels' 28 & 29 December"
 
   Given the build-up to the POB's 'Jewels' - the nail-biting, on-off strike - it was probably inevitable that the actuality would be an anti-climax, and so it proved, for me at least, at the two performances I attended, on Thursday 28 and Friday 29 December.

On 28th. 'Emeralds, the opening ballet in this Balanchine triptych, was blandly danced by Elizabeth Maurin and Lionel Delanoe in the leads. I don't think that Emeralds is one of Balanchine's better ballets - he did himself no favours by choosing the Faure music - so perhaps it isn't fair to judge the dancers by it. Karen Averty in the second solo was better and she and Kader Belarbi in the second pdd were excellent. I thought the Lacroix costumes for the women - densely-sequinned dark green bodices over rather clumsy mid-length skirts - were unflattering. I would have paid more attention to Eleonora Abbagnato in the pas de trois as she is a special favourite of mine, but unfortunately it took place during one of my frequent snoozes in this most soporific of ballets. A very untypical piece of Balanchine, if you ask me.

'Rubies' to the Stravinski Capriccio music was perhaps the biggest disappointment. With Carole Arbo and Eric Quillere in the leads it was danced perfectly well (though Quilliere made a few slips towards the end), but somehow it never blazed into life like the Kirov's at Covent Garden last summer. At the end of that performance, I just wanted to leap out of my seat and yell with excitement. Somehow, the POB dancers seemed too reserved to do real justice to this joyously subversive Balanchine work. It's difficult for me to single out any dancers; they all danced admirably and perfectly correctly, but seemed to lack the wit and attack to bring the piece to life. Perhaps I just caught the wrong cast. Lacroix's sleekly glittering red costumes worked well here and his set was outstanding; a huge illuminated scarlet pillar cut from a silvery-grey flat. I must mention the excellent pianist, Christine Lagniel, who well deserved the cheers she got.

I'm greatly relieved to say that the final piece 'Diamonds', to Tchaikovsky's Symphony No. 3, was a triumph. This was evident from the moment the curtain went up, when the audience burst into spontaneous applause at the stunning set - swathes of sparkling silver baubles strung like a necklace high against a brilliant blue background, so the whole thing appeared like a magical ice kingdom. The white and silver costumes added to this illusion. Marie-Agnes Gillot and Nicolas le Riche danced the breathtaking pdd, and what a wonderful partner Le Riche proved - I wouldn't have suspected it of him! His solo dancing too was mightily impressive, with huge, space-devouring jumps and fast turns. I did find, though, that some of his finishing was untidy. Marie-Agnes Gillot was lovely, but despite Le Riche's careful partnering she looked a little tentative at times - perhaps the role is still new for her.

I should say that throughout the whole of the Jewels programme the POB corps looked wonderful, a real credit to their schooling.

As regards the 29th performance, the major disappointment for me was that exactly the same casts were dancing the first two ballets, despite the fact that the box office had given me a list stating that Isabel Guerin and Le Riche would be appearing as the major couple in 'Diamonds' and that Manue Legris would be appearing in 'Rubies'. Not so. Since I couldn't face 'Emeralds' again with Maurin and Delanoe, I sat this one out. 'Rubies' at least was sharper and slicker than the previous night, so maybe the POB will relax into this one with experience. 'Diamonds' was the only ballet with a new cast - Agnes Letestu and Jose Martinez - and how magnificently they danced it! Letestu is exquisite, expressive and musical with a most beautiful line, and Martinez I thought showed Le Riche up somewhat. He had almost the same powerful technique, with big juicy jumps, but he showed much cleaner, crisper finishes. He just looked more in control, I thought.

If I had to sum up I'd say that the POB is a wonderful company, any one of whose dancers, from etoiles to corps, could more than hold their own with either the Kirov or NYBC, but there is some puzzling element missing from the company as a whole which currently makes them less satisfying that either of these companies.

Which doesn't mean that I won't be over to Paris like a shot to see their 'Manon' in Spring.


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  Subject     Author     Message Date     ID  
  RE: POB's 'Jewels' 28 & 29 December Tomoko.A 31-12-00 1
  RE: POB's 'Jewels' 28 & 29 December Catherine 01-01-01 2
     RE: POB's 'Jewels' 28 & 29 December Estelle 01-01-01 3
         RE: POB's 'Jewels' 28 & 29 December Catherine 01-01-01 4
  RE: POB's 'Jewels' 28 & 29 December cuisse de grenouille 01-01-01 5
     RE: POB's 'Jewels' 28 & 29 December MPN 01-01-01 6
         RE: POB's 'Jewels' 28 & 29 December Estelle 01-01-01 7
     RE: POB's 'Jewels' 28 & 29 December Tomoko.A 01-01-01 8
         RE: POB's 'Jewels' 28 & 29 December Ann Williams 01-01-01 9
         RE: POB's 'Jewels' 28 & 29 December Catherine 01-01-01 10
         RE: POB's 'Jewels' 28 & 29 December Bruce Madmin 01-01-01 11
         RE: POB's 'Jewels' 28 & 29 December cuisse de grenouille 01-01-01 12
             RE: POB's 'Jewels' 28 & 29 December Shirley 01-01-01 13
                 RE: POB's 'Jewels' 28 & 29 December Catherine 01-01-01 15
                     RE: POB's 'Jewels' 28 & 29 December Shirley 02-01-01 16
                         RE: POB's 'Jewels' 28 & 29 December Catherine 02-01-01 17
                             RE: POB's 'Jewels' 28 & 29 December Ann Williams 02-01-01 18
                             RE: POB's 'Jewels' 28 & 29 December Catherine 02-01-01 20
                             RE: POB's 'Jewels' 28 & 29 December Shirley 02-01-01 19
             RE: POB's 'Jewels' 28 & 29 December Tomoko.A 01-01-01 14
  RE: POB's 'Jewels' 28 & 29 December Robert 02-01-01 21
     RE: POB's 'Jewels' 28 & 29 December Etienne 02-01-01 22
     RE: POB's 'Jewels' 28 & 29 December Catherine 02-01-01 23
         RE: POB's 'Jewels' 28 & 29 December Bruce Madmin 03-01-01 24
             RE: POB's 'Jewels' 28 & 29 December Kate R 03-01-01 25

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Tomoko.A

31-12-00, 06:00 PM (GMT)
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1. "RE: POB's 'Jewels' 28 & 29 December"
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   Thank you for your review, Ann. I nearly forgot that I watched the Jewels on 28th due to my RB Nutcracker horror story !
I completely agree with you. All 3 acts were neatly danced, but I felt something was missing throughout the performance, especially in Rubies although they have been dancing this for a long time. I also couldn't stop comparing the POB to the wonderful Kirov's performance in the summer. Ann, you are lucky to see Letestu and Martinez on Friday. I wish I had seen them dance in Diamonds. A photograph of Guerin and Le Riche rehearsing in Emeralds is featured in the programme. Guerin is my favourite POB dancer and I really wish I had seen her in this ballet !
By the way, a good exhibition about Giselle is being held there at the moment. I also happened to see an exhibition about Nijinsky at Musee d'Orsay, which was excellent.


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Catherine

01-01-01, 00:22 AM (GMT)
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2. "RE: POB's 'Jewels' 28 & 29 December"
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   I don't know how they can say it will be Guerin in Diamonds, she never was casted on this ballet it was always Letestu with Martinez or Bart or Gillot with Le Riche. Against it would be Guerin/Le Riche as Emeralds how I understand Arbo is injuried and doesn't dance 29th evening Rubies and 30th evening Emeralds and was remoted by Guérin. I'm not agree at all with you about Emeralds. At the firstlook, it seems to be a very boring ballet but it's very rich of too many details which must be see day after day and with the cast I saw yesterday night It was a wonderful ballet. And perhaps the most intersting of the three. Considering that Rubies is a pure and traditionnal Balanchine as Diamonds who remembering Theme and variations.
I prefer the french in Rubies than Kirov who seems to me too classical in their arms. Perhaps Arbo was a few injuried the night where you see her because two day before she was really wonderful, with the jazzy side and american dance necessary to this ballet.
I don't speak about Le Riche in Diamonds I don't love this kind of dancer and prefer Martinez or Bart who jumps so higher than Nicolas with much more precision and style.


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Estelle

01-01-01, 04:58 PM (GMT)
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3. "RE: POB's 'Jewels' 28 & 29 December"
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   Ann, I attended the performance of Dec 29 too (and also that of Dec 30). It was the first time I saw "Jewels", and so have no elements to compare, but found what I saw very satisfying (even though I wouldn't consider as one of my favorite Balanchine ballets).

As Catherine wrote, Guerin never danced in "Diamonds", only in "Emeralds". And Legris wasn't supposed to dance in "Rubies" on Dec 29 (at least on the casts which were announced on the official web site of the POB). So I think that the people at the box-office weren't competent- well, it wouldn't be the first time, unfortunately...

You might have missed something by skipping "Emeralds" on Dec 29:
Maurin was dancing again (I liked what she did- I don't know if it is because she was better than on Dec 28, or just that our tastes differ), but her partner was Bart, not Delanoe. And Bart really is beautiful in such roles, I really found him lovely to see (on Dec 30 he danced again, partnering Guerin that time).
Also the casts for "Rubies" were different from what was announced: Moussin- Delanoe- Gillot instead of Arbo- Quillere- Gilot, so the cast was completely different from that of Dec 28.
Arbo probably was sick or injured, because she was absent on Dec 30 too (she was supposed to dance in "Emeralds", but was replaced by Guerin).

As Catherine, I preferred Martinez and Letestu to Le Riche and Gillot in "Diamonds", I think that Martinez's delicate style is more suited to such a work than Le Riche's powerful one. Also, as you guessed, Gillot was a bit unexperienced (it's one of her first big classical roles).

It must have been a tough period for the corps de ballet- because of the strike, the rehearsals conditions were difficult, also some part of the corps de ballet danced in "The Nutcracker" in the same period, and a dancer told me that there was an epidemic of gastro-enteritis... I hope that the POB will dance "Jewels" in the next season, with better conditions.


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Catherine

01-01-01, 05:20 PM (GMT)
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4. "RE: POB's 'Jewels' 28 & 29 December"
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   I don't understand how we can stay outside of the showroom because cast is the same that the day before. Even it's the case, every night dancers are so differents. Last year I saw every performance of Aurelie Dupont as Aurora in Sleeping Beauty and every night it was different. The same thing with Gaïda.
Dancers are fortunately not machine and every night it's different and it's POB interest to see the same cast on several different days.
What I saw of Maurin in Emeralds was good even I prefered Guerin. I think she has Balanchinian required style. And Bart is completely balanchinian as Delanoé.


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01-01-01, 07:42 PM (GMT)
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5. "RE: POB's 'Jewels' 28 & 29 December"
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   I thought the
>Lacroix costumes for the women
>- densely-sequinned dark green bodices
>over rather clumsy mid-length skirts
>- were unflattering.

I think you are a bit too harsh here , the Emerald costumes were beautiful.

I
>would have paid more attention
>to Eleonora Abbagnato in the
>pas de trois as she
>is a special favourite of
>mine, but unfortunately it took
>place during one of my
>frequent snoozes in this most
>soporific of ballets.

What's the use of going to see a performance if you just sleep?


Since I couldn't
>face 'Emeralds' again with Maurin
>and Delanoe, I sat this
>one out.

What a snob woman !


> Which doesn't mean that I
>won't be over to Paris
>like a shot to see
>their 'Manon' in Spring.


Perhaps you better not go and see it , you could fall asleep!


PS:the next time you go to the Opera , I recommend you the "loges" , there's a "banquette" where you could sleep very comfortably.
Ms Williams , thank you for your always abundant comments.I now understand more accurately the famous "anti-french" ideology the English have.


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MPN

01-01-01, 07:54 PM (GMT)
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6. "RE: POB's 'Jewels' 28 & 29 December"
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   Well done "Cuisse de grenouille". I don't dare to say what you say.
Perhaps POB seats are more confortable to sleep than ROH' one.


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Estelle

01-01-01, 08:11 PM (GMT)
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7. "RE: POB's 'Jewels' 28 & 29 December"
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   Cuisse de grenouille, I think it is quite excessive to turn this whole discussion into a French-English flame war. I disagree with some of Ann's opinions, but I think that, as any other poster of this board, she's entitled to express what she thinks- it is the diversity of opinions which makes this board interesting. And
if Ann had been "anti-French", she wouldn't have written such positive comments about the POB corps de ballet and some of the dancers.

I don't find "Emeralds" soporific, but people's tastes may vary
(and I admit it sometimes happened to me to feel quite sleepy during some ballets, sometimes because of the choreography and sometimes just because it was the end of a busy, tiring day-
and it happened even when I was in the amphitheater, whose seats aren't exactly comfortable... So I won't blame people for saying they felt sleepy during a ballet!).

About the costumes: I liked those of "Emeralds" and "Diamonds",
but found those of "Rubies" a bit too bright, especially for the men. In general, I found the sets quite uninteresting, adding nothing to the ballet.


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Tomoko.A

01-01-01, 09:04 PM (GMT)
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8. "RE: POB's 'Jewels' 28 & 29 December"
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   I don't understand why you took everything so personally. We love ballet and we enjoy POB as much as we enjoy our RB here. If you support only POB and have no opinion about other companies outside Paris, I think it's high time you created your own french ballet site. (not using this UK site)


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Ann Williams

01-01-01, 09:29 PM (GMT)
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9. "RE: POB's 'Jewels' 28 & 29 December"
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   Thank you, Tomoko and Estelle, for your support. I must say I am amazed at these reactions - I was only expressing my opinion, after all, I'm not necessarily right!

I remain a strong admirer of POB and these remarks will certainly not deter me from going to see them whenever I like.


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Catherine

01-01-01, 09:31 PM (GMT)
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10. "RE: POB's 'Jewels' 28 & 29 December"
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   We completely support criticisms but constructive criticisms, on POB Dancers, but not to witness a ballet bus according to the distributions To not go to a performance if they are the same dancers as those which one saw the day before seems completely stupid. Especially that unfortunately in France, because of the policy of the Opera, the repetitions, there are often casualties and the folders are often false. If Mrs. Williams instead of reading the distribution had entered the show room and had awaited would have certainly re-examined Maurin but would have discovered Jean-Guillaume Bart of which we so often make the praise on this site. In fact Rubies cast was completely different than the paper indicates it was Moussin and Delanoé instead of Arbo and Quilleré.
Even if ballet.co is an English site, it is also an European site and no matter who can intervene there. The dance unfortunately does not interest large world in France. It's for that no french website abour dance exists.

What I criticize personally it is not the fact that somebody didn't like Maurin or Rubies even if I preferred this Rubies with that of Kirov which I had the chance to see or POB.
It's the fact of coming to pay for a spectacle, to sleep and especially not to return the following day evening to see same the casting, personally I would have gone in Covent Garden and I would not have liked a distribution, I would nevertheless be turned over the following day to re-examine to make me a judgement on, because one evening a dancer can not be in form and make an unspecified service and the following day to be divine.
Travel to France to sleep before a performance is expensive like travel. It's true that Emeralds is not a masterwork of Balanchine but it's not boring to sleep before. And it's to see it many times which makes love it and love every detail because it's a so rich an full ballet.


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Bruce Madmin

01-01-01, 09:37 PM (GMT)
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11. "RE: POB's 'Jewels' 28 & 29 December"
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   Estelle - absolutely right - thank you. If we can't record and debate our 'reasonable' thoughts why on earth are we bothering?

It saddens me when this happens - I recall the same when I made some points about POB. French and European fans also make points about RB (and other UK companies) and of course we don't always necessarily agree. We have different traditions and they are worth exploring and debating rather than rowing about. And for the record I do occasionally find some ballet - in the UK - rather less than challenging and do nod off!

While Ballet.co does cover the UK in detail, for some time it has also recorded what happens elsewhere and I wish only to see that grow. I think its terrific that we have the French threads here and long may that continue. We need to be drawing together rather than apart. But it does mean we need to be civilised in debate and in how we talk about dancers and others involved on the inside.


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01-01-01, 09:48 PM (GMT)
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12. "RE: POB's 'Jewels' 28 & 29 December"
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   Maa , maa , Tomoko san , kanzen ni "english" ni natte shimaimashita de su ne!


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Shirley

01-01-01, 11:07 PM (GMT)
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13. "RE: POB's 'Jewels' 28 & 29 December"
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   I can't believe what I have just read and the comments made towards Ann who only gave an opinion! She is probably not the only person to have missed part of a ballet or snoozed off, in fact I walked out from the Opera House just before Sylvie Guillem was to dance in Lilac Garden and also missed Gloria on a couple of occasions in the recent mixed bill! What does that make me - well a person who chooses what they want to watch just like the rest of the ballet going audiences! I am well aware every performance is different but that doesn't mean we have to see every performance.

We all have different likes and dislikes and that is what makes life interesting but to be lambasted for having an opinion is disgusting!


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Catherine

01-01-01, 11:37 PM (GMT)
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15. "RE: POB's 'Jewels' 28 & 29 December"
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   When you are in england, ROH "habitués" I'm not against the fact you don't want to see someone or someone else, but coming in France specially for a ballet and don't see it without knowing the true cast It's a few sad.
Yes Ann you wouldn't see Maurin too and you disliked her but you would see Bart, and perhaps discover a dancer. It's sad to not stay to a performance where you don't know really everybody. When it's in our own country why not ? Even how I say a dancer could be bad an evening and amazing the night after. Rubies would perhaps please to you with Moussin and Delanoé. It's really sad you don't see it. I don't accuse you to be anti-french, not at all because your cummentaires are not anti-french even I'm not agree with you about Le Riche but it's a matter of personal taste.
I'm sad you didn't try to see again once time Emeralds and Rubies. How I said when you know really "your" troup as RB it's understandable, even I never make that at POB because I prefer to be sure of my advise.
If I stayed on my first position I don't go again to see Emeralds because I'm boring the first evening and I don't love really Moussin as Rubies. Against saturday night I enjoyed completely Emeralds and dance like that I thank it was a superb ballet and not the boring one of my first seing, and Moussin was really good in Rubies the second time, she always miss her "premiere", she has stage fright and even she danced well, she never dance how she can.

I understand Ann it's just your opinion and you have right to say what you think but the next time try to go to the performance after even the cast on paper is the same, you could have replacement. I know it's quite rare in ROH against in POB it's frequent. Our dancer rehearse too many ballets of different styles on same time and often they're injuried. How said Estelle, we have also gastro-enterit and flue epidemic in France and in POB. Please next time Ann, try to stay and see one time again people you don't like because even they don't please, you could discover someone else, the POB is so rich in talent. I suppose it's the same thing at the Royal Ballet.


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Shirley

02-01-01, 00:22 AM (GMT)
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16. "RE: POB's 'Jewels' 28 & 29 December"
In response to message #15
 
   >When you are in england, ROH
>"habitués" I'm not against the
>fact you don't want to
>see someone or someone else,
>but coming in France specially
>for a ballet and don't
>see it without knowing
>the true cast It's a
>few sad.

It is a choice and a choice everyone can make! Yes you will miss something, perhaps something new and as you say discover another talent but there are some occasions we make a choice and the choice is for ourselves and no one else!

I remember nearly falling asleep during a ballet and as I was standing it wasn't an easy job to fall asleep! In fact I ended up sitting down with my back against the wall and actually dozing off! Don't actually remember what show it was, but it was either The Kirov when they were over last summer or the BRB. Both great companies with lots of talent that I don't see that often but this time even that wasn't enough to keep me awake!

Sometimes you just can't stay awake and even if you do travel somewhere to watch a specific ballet you just can't face it! I suppose it would be different missing an act of a three act ballet but can you really call 'Jewels' a three act ballet? Now that could be another thread!


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Catherine

02-01-01, 09:52 AM (GMT)
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17. "RE: POB's 'Jewels' 28 & 29 December"
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   Perhaps Jewels is a ballet in three ballets. Because if we already have Rubies under the Capriccio Title, we don't have Jewels in the fact of Jewels is truely the ballet IN THREE Ballets like a ballet in three acte.
And I say nothing against the fact to sleep but rightly you miss the evening yesterday night a part of the ballet because you slept, It's usual to come and see again and don't say "Oh yes it's again Maurin and Delanoé" I don't see them. Cast of pas de trois was not the same. It's sad as attitude to not see. To sleep because we are tired so why not, but make this own choice to not go again see a ballet you could never see after is a choice I don't understand.


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Ann Williams

02-01-01, 10:26 AM (GMT)
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18. "RE: POB's 'Jewels' 28 & 29 December"
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   Catherine
You have now spoken at great length and at least twice about my sleeping during 'Emeralds'. It is time to leave it alone. It is not relevant. What is relevant is that I reviewed the POB as fairly and honestly as I could, and I think they emerged well from it.

I think that Bruce has been extremely patient and courteous with you all. Please consider what the case would be if this was a French site (Ballet.co.fr?). Would a French webmaster been as patient with group of British posters who swamped his site with a daily stream of postings, exclusively in English and exclusively about the RB?

I think not.


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Catherine

02-01-01, 01:33 PM (GMT)
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20. "RE: POB's 'Jewels' 28 & 29 December"
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   LAST EDITED ON 02-01-01 AT 01:45 PM (GMT)

At first how I said yesterday, we don't have too many dance lovers in France to make a french website. They especially loves modern dance and no classical ballet. It's fort that we love to go on ballet.co. Nobody says you to read our postings, if you read it even in french it's that it interess you. And I don't think french are anti-english, even you think so. Bruce says "I think its terrific that we have the French threads here and long may that continue".

My english is bad and I can use a word for an other and the english sense of it could be more hard for you in current language that the traduction I know of it. If I say something too hard, sorry.

I just said to you, don't see the cast or schedule as a gold book. I'm a POB fan and I said just wait the ballet and don't believe the programm it's very often wrong, for the principal.
I don't say you for the corps de ballet where you have so many changements they never indicate them. They don't say if a sujet is injuried which is the replacing sujet. I find it's not enjoyed for the dancer. I know in ROB it's very rare that cast was different of it announced.
For example in Raymonda, Jean-Guillaume Bart made six of the nine Jean de Brienne, he replaced injuried Benjamin Pech. It was not the cast for the Henriette and Clemence rules for example Averty didn't dance Henriette and she was previous. It's just for that I said to you, try to stay and see, knowing POB cast is so often different of this announced. It's for you, you come especially from England to see Jewels and it's great because I can't go to England to see ROB and I really love english choreographers as Ashton, Mc Millan.


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Shirley

02-01-01, 12:24 PM (GMT)
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19. "RE: POB's 'Jewels' 28 & 29 December"
In response to message #17
 
   > It's
>sad as attitude to not
>see. To sleep because we
>are tired so why not,
>but make this own choice
>to not go again see
>a ballet you could never
>see after is a choice
>I don't understand.

The wonderful thing about going to see many performnces of ballet is that the more you see the more selective you tend to get. I choose what I watch depending on wether I have seen the ballet, do I like it and who is dancing! When you have casting issued by companies most ballet goers book performances on who they would prefer to see, unless they have the funds to watch all the performances! If we don't like a ballet don't we have the right not to go and watch it no matter who is dancing even if it is part of an evening! You may not agree with or understand that choice we have the right to make it.


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Tomoko.A

01-01-01, 11:14 PM (GMT)
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14. "RE: POB's 'Jewels' 28 & 29 December"
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   Well, Cuisse, I've been long here ! My cousin lives in Paris and speaks French fluently, married to a French. But we both still love our country too. Where did you learn Japanese ?


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Robert

02-01-01, 03:01 PM (GMT)
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21. "RE: POB's 'Jewels' 28 & 29 December"
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   Congrtulations on getting to Paris and managing to see the Ballet. I am sorry to read the unpleasant comments by people who I am sure are not representative of most French Ballet lovers. They should be pleased that you were able and willing, despite all the strikes and threats of strikes to book for the theatre and visit Paris, I know that like me you were dissappointed last time, when you travelled all that way to find cancelled performances. If people are put off the POB by strikes inconveniences and abusive letters, they will get a smaller audience and calls,even in France, to cut their subsidies. Nothing is forever and the fact that there is not enough interest to run a French Ballet web site, (even a bad tempered one!) is unfortunate.


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Etienne

02-01-01, 04:39 PM (GMT)
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22. "RE: POB's 'Jewels' 28 & 29 December"
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   Sorry all french ballet amators are like Catherine, Estelle, Marie, LD, Claude, Cuisse de grenouilles and so on. It's people who get very often to the theater see different cast and even they don't love someone, they stay to can say "I don't love it why so or so". If Marie doesn't love Legris she goes to see him even Abbagnato, Bélingard or Saiz. Catherine seems to not love Le Riche and she goes to see him. They don't stay outside, to not support one time again the dancer they can love.
And we are happy that foreigners come to see our ballet.


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Catherine

02-01-01, 04:46 PM (GMT)
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23. "RE: POB's 'Jewels' 28 & 29 December"
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   >Nothing is forever and
>the fact that there is
>not enough interest to run
>a French Ballet web site,
>(even a bad tempered one!)
>is unfortunate.


The problem how I said, French don't love classical dance in France. They never pass it on TV or very late. In England, you have often documentaries about dancers, ballet as Nutcracker this year or Coppelia. This year we have nothing. Make a website for the hundred fan of POB who have even not a computer is silly. And we can go on this website to say what we think.
Sorry for my bad english, when I say It's sad "you don't see". I want to say "what a pity !" to not see one time again even it's a personal choice, the french sentence is "Quel dommage", or "c'est dommage".


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Bruce Madmin

03-01-01, 00:52 AM (GMT)
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24. "RE: POB's 'Jewels' 28 & 29 December"
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   I'm not sure if I'm patient or not but I do believe that it's good that we have a postings site with different languages on and that allows for the possibility of debate such as we have at the moment - even if it is somewhat ill tempered at times. We do seem to have different ideas but from threads like this we perhaps start to understand more about our respective preoccupations. This is good.

The various calls / suggestions for separate French postings pages concern me - in a small world its a crazy way forward. It would perhaps be different if we were structured such that visitors had to wade through tens of pages of postings before getting to something they considered relevant. But we are not and nobody needs to open a thread they don't want to. But those who want to easily can - perfect.

So lets go forward together - please!


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Kate R

03-01-01, 08:10 AM (GMT)
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25. "RE: POB's 'Jewels' 28 & 29 December"
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   I quite agree Bruce. Personaly I find the POB threads very intersting. Even though my French is applalling these days I can get the gist of what is being said.

Ballet is a universal art form that is not limited by language barriers. I am always grateful for the contributions provided in English by our French friends and only wish I had the ability and courtesy to be able to reciprocate in their language.


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