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02-12-00, 07:28 AM (GMT)
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"RB and K Ballet..."
   I have created a new thread for this posting which originally came out of a discussion about Adam Cooper (BM)

I'd like to ask some questions about the state of the Royal Ballet? From what I've been reading it sounds as if they're in pretty dire straits, but I'm curious about how that came to be.

And I'd also love to know more about the K Ballet and the defection of all these male dancers.

Anyone who'd like to dish the dirt, please do!



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  Subject     Author     Message Date     ID  
  RE: RB and K Ballet... Shirley 02-12-00 1
     RE: RB and K Ballet... smw380 02-12-00 2
         RE: RB and K Ballet... Shirley 03-12-00 3
             RE: RB and K Ballet... smw380 03-12-00 4
  RE: RB and K Ballet... Nikki 26-12-00 5
     RE: RB and K Ballet... smw380 27-12-00 6
         RE: RB and K Ballet... Richard J 28-12-00 7
     RE: RB and K Ballet... Bruce Madmin 29-12-00 8
         RE: RB and K Ballet... Richard J 29-12-00 9
             RE: RB and K Ballet... Bruce Madmin 29-12-00 10

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02-12-00, 10:26 AM (GMT)
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1. "RE: RB and K Ballet..."
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   >I'd like to ask some questions
>about the state of the
>Royal Ballet? From what I've
>been reading it sounds as
>if they're in pretty dire
>straits, but I'm curious about
>how that came to be.
Not sure I would say this at all! Have you been to see any shows?

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02-12-00, 01:23 PM (GMT)
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2. "RE: RB and K Ballet..."
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   No, not at all! Well, a million years ago, but not recently. I've just been reading that a lot of dancers have left and that the company is having financial problems. I'd be delighted to find out that all is well there!


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03-12-00, 00:26 AM (GMT)
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3. "RE: RB and K Ballet..."
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   Perhaps the Opera House do have problems but the press like to make things look really bad!

The shows I have seen recently have been great, queues to get day tickets and returns (they were queueing from 7am this morning) and I wouldn't say any more dancers leave the Royal than other companies!

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03-12-00, 01:07 AM (GMT)
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4. "RE: RB and K Ballet..."
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   That's interesting. Maybe the press is just making things sound more dramatic than they really are.


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26-12-00, 06:07 PM (GMT)
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5. "RE: RB and K Ballet..."
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   Yes there was a defection of male stars but that was about 2/3 years ago. If you look at the current principal and cast list
u'll see the wealth of talent on offer, w/ guest stars from POB, Kirov (they have Zelensky!!! , hes my adam cooper) Bussel, Guillem, and Wildor still dances w/ them (just to remind u shes Coopers Wife), Benjamin, now Rojo. Personally i think that this cast list is better than it was 3 yrs ago w/ the K-dancers, and the dancers who left aside from Teddy were not 'stars' (though cooper is but hes not part of the K) And the male guest principals are the amongst the best male dancers in the world!. RB just needs a new cherographer, and w/ brilliant dancers, world class dance studios and staff to help w/ the dancers injuries, all they need is some new male homegrown talent. Im sure RB will go frm strength to strength, and anyhows its still one of the worlds best ballet companies, and thats an amazing feat.

p.s what have u been reading sarah to give u the view that RB are in dire straits? articles frm 1998? w/ the appointment of Micheal Kaiser as the executive direcot, the Royal Opera House got rid of its debt of 5 mil pounds, and is now fianically sound. Go to newspapers like http://www.guardianunlimited.co.uk/, and search for 2000 articles on the Royal Opera House. do u reside in the UK? also go to the telegraph who have the great dance critic ismene brown their website is and just click on this site, i've done the searh for u

happpy reading

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27-12-00, 01:20 AM (GMT)
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6. "RE: RB and K Ballet..."
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   I think a lot of the articles I was looking at were a couple of years old. I'm glad things have settled down at RB, and hope I'll get a chance to see them before too much longer.


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Richard J

28-12-00, 07:20 PM (GMT)
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7. "RE: RB and K Ballet..."
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   During the closure both the opera and the ballet went through lean times. I saw the RB in Hammersmith (theatre much better suited to Riverdance, which had been camping there forever), and in the Dance Bites tour in Bath. Since it was closure time in London, Bath saw a whole array of principals; Cope, Durante and Yoshida among them. What will happen to Dance Bites now?

Now that Michael K has instilled some sense into the workings of the ROH we can hope for better times ahead, though even he couldn't overcome all the ingrained problems which beset the place (and the British arts scene); no wonder he jetted off back to the US of A as soon as he had the chance of a good job there.

The British arts scene has its problems at the moment; unless you want to make a Musical (of virtually anything) the money is in short supply. Good to see that the RB has brought out some rarely seen pieces in its current repertoire. The company has some fine dancers, and Rojo is a big plus (as well as a big loss for ENB; I saw her in MacMillan's "Rite of Spring", and she received an even bigger ovation than Thomas and Agnes in the usual chunk of "Bayadere"). The future should be bright, provided the company can be outward looking and innovative while still retaining the essential ability to dance Ashton as nobody else can. Dancers will thrive, given variety and a sense of where the whole enterprise is going. By contrast, the poor old ENB has an incredibly limited repertory that seems designed to take ballet back at least 100 years (apart from the odd excursion into something more recent) and an orchestra that doesn't always please (to say the least), though they did sound a lot better in the recent Swan Lake - but they should know that by now.....ENB dancers must risk death from boredom.

The problem of finding an in-house choreographer of international standing is a problem for many companies; who is there? Where does ballet go from here? That's the problem, but the answer is not to be found in trashy sugary balletic equivalents of second rate Musicals.

I'm optimistic about the RB (and Royal Opera), but am keeping my fingers crossed for the future of ENB (there was an enlightening article by Ismene Brown a while ago telling us of their financial worries and what may be regarded by the Arts Council of England as innovative...). Sarah, have faith in the future of the RB, but think of those of us who have to put up with ENB rep. in their local theatres.

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Bruce Madmin

29-12-00, 09:16 AM (GMT)
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8. "RE: RB and K Ballet..."
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   At the Risk of blowing our own trumpet I though I would put in a plug for our own databases of reviews and interviews/news.

They are indexed which means that your searches should turn up something closer to what you are after. We also cover several sources in one - so you get multiple perspectives without the hassle of visiting severa sites and weeding out the crap. And I think we often give more information with each of our links.

An example... under Royal Opera House the Guardian might well output 2000 links - but they will include opera review links, ballet reviews as well information about the problems of the house. The following search raids our InterViews and News database and looks for ROH appearing... it comes up in a few interviews with people but for the most part this is really relevant stuff about what has happened:


Here is a search on Kaiser

K Ballet

Interviews in which English National Ballet (ENB) has come up...

Here is something a little different - an Ashton search - his name comes up a lot in pieces

Although we have a number of preformatted searches about the place I often think it is worthwhile getting to know the Advanced Search pages we have. Here is the InterViews and News one:

More consulted is the Reviews database. Again using the Advanced Search page:
you can find some quit specific things. Again here are some examples:

Bussell in Giselle

Bussell in Nutcracker

Bussell in Cinderella

Bussell reviews in 1998

Wildor in anything

Nunn in anything

Watson in anything

Sasaki in anything

Kumakawa in Japan (which is more than just K Ballet reviews...)

Royal Ballet at the Hammersmith Apollo

Birmingham Royal Ballet's Monica Zamora in any Nutcracker piece...

Royal Ballet in New York (only one entry at the moment!)

Paris Opera Ballet

Some Caveats:
On mixed bills we only record the bill and the dancers who appeared - we don't break it down further than that and match dancers to specific pieces. This means that Bussell dancing in a Gala may come up on a search for Bussell and R&J, when in fact it was Durante who did the Juliet - Bussell was doing something else on the night. We hold the view that it would just take too long to go down to another level of detail on this.

The Times site reorganised and silly sods did not maintain links to old reviews and pieces (soemthing that teh Telegraph to their great credit has always done). One of the holiday jobs is to remove or re-find these links. So at the moment specific searches may throw up some dead links.

The RB dancers section also gets attention this holiday - we've been meaning to get to it for a year. The great reason for having our own dancer thoughts is that they are independent and, importantly, come with a barrage of links to raid the databases about that particular dancer.

To get a complete picture its often worth doing a search of postings as well. It would be nice to integrate all these searches but that would cost way too much I'm afraid!

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Richard J

29-12-00, 09:49 AM (GMT)
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9. "RE: RB and K Ballet..."
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   Bruce - thanks a million for this brilliant list of links. What a service! Happy New Year!

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Bruce Madmin

29-12-00, 06:29 PM (GMT)
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10. "RE: RB and K Ballet..."
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   Glad you like the results from taking these links but the main point is that they start to illustrate what we have on-line and there are 'clever' ways to find just what you are after. *Any* readercan find such results by filling in relevant boxes at:

for InterViews and News

for Reviews

I repeat that any reader can do such searches - its really simple. So for the Adam Cooper fans how about going over to Reviews and plugging Cooper in? (of course he has a brother - Adam - so you will have to excuse those entries in order to see what Simon has been up to!! And if you just want to see Simon Cooper reviews then you might actually put Rambert in the company box.)

I'd be happy to answer any and all questions about finding information from our databases and using the advanced search pages etc. I'd prefer to do this on line, since everybody can see and hopefully learn. I know some find the technology less than intuitive, and it would be nice to open a few more eyes if we can.

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