HomeMagazineListingsUpdateLinksContexts

 


 Ballet.co Postings Pages

 Some Special Threads:
  GPDTalk about George Piper Dances ! NEW !
  NBTTalk about Northern Ballet Theatre
  SBTalk about Scottish Ballet
  ENBTalk about English National Ballet
  BRBTalk about Birmingham Royal Ballet
  TodaysLinks - worldwide daily dance links
  Ballet.co GetTogethers - meetings and drinks...

  Help on New Postings


Subject: "POB Strikes" Archived thread - Read only
 
  Previous Topic | Next Topic
Printer-friendly copy     Email this topic to a friend    
Conferences What's Happening Topic #1102
Reading Topic #1102
Kate R

01-12-00, 08:04 AM (GMT)
Click to EMail Kate%20R Click to send private message to Kate%20R Click to add this user to your buddy list  
"POB Strikes"
 
   Any more news?


  Printer-friendly page | Top

  Subject     Author     Message Date     ID  
  RE: POB Strikes Ann Williams 01-12-00 1
     RE: POB Strikes Catherine 01-12-00 2
     RE: POB Strikes Kate R 01-12-00 3
         PS Kate R 01-12-00 4
             RE: PS Catherine 01-12-00 5
                 RE: PS eugene merrett 01-12-00 6
                     RE: PS Estelle 01-12-00 7
                         A rare bit of moderation! Bruce Madmin 02-12-00 12
                     RE: PS Pauline 01-12-00 8
                         RE: PS Kate R 01-12-00 9
                             RE: PS Catherine 01-12-00 10
  RE: POB Strikes Robert 02-12-00 11
     RE: POB Strikes meunier 05-12-00 13
         RE: POB Strikes Estelle 05-12-00 14
             RE: POB Strikes Kate R 05-12-00 15

Conferences | Topics | Previous Topic | Next Topic
Ann Williams

01-12-00, 11:05 AM (GMT)
Click to EMail Ann%20Williams Click to send private message to Ann%20Williams Click to add this user to your buddy list  
1. "RE: POB Strikes"
In response to message #0
 
  
Kate -
Have you looked at the links for yesterday? Stuart Sweeney posted a very useful link to, I think, The Sotsman, which reported very clearly on the current POB strike situation.

Are you enquiring because you have booked to see POB's 'Jewels'? This is my situation too, but as my booking isn't until the end of December, I am hopeful!


  Printer-friendly page | Top
Catherine

01-12-00, 11:53 AM (GMT)
Click to EMail Catherine Click to send private message to Catherine Click to view user profileClick to add this user to your buddy list  
2. "RE: POB Strikes"
In response to message #1
 
   For the moment, all the perfomances are gift but for Die Zauberflöte it as in an alone set, stage and dress but no changing of sets.
Nutcracker was gift completely as usual, In fact I'm a few worry by the fact yesterday night Lucia di Lammermoor at Bastille was just gift in Concert version and at the beginning the strike was just for all the evening where you have Magic flute or Fledermaus and by the way the performance gift in the other theater in same time could be cancelled. Magic flute was gift in set version I don't understand why they don't give Lucia in this only set version.
Bastille Technicals are more hard that Garnier' technical and
I'm afraid that really strike begins with Fledermaus and that Jewels could be have problem.
Look on the website of Pob http://www.opera-de-paris.fr on the homepage you have a daily news situation.


  Printer-friendly page | Top
Kate R

01-12-00, 12:00 PM (GMT)
Click to EMail Kate%20R Click to send private message to Kate%20R Click to add this user to your buddy list  
3. "RE: POB Strikes"
In response to message #1
 
   I had seen the posting. I have also heard another rumour (unsubstantiated) that Jewels will be cancelled entirely but that Nutcracker will go ahead. This is not consistent with the article, which implies that the opera, at least, are struggling on without scenery - not so important for Jewels.

The comment about refunds is ambigous. Do they mean that if tehy go ahead without scenery there is no refund, or if it is cancelled there is no refund.

I wondered if anyone in Paris had any definite news.


  Printer-friendly page | Top
Kate R

01-12-00, 12:02 PM (GMT)
Click to EMail Kate%20R Click to send private message to Kate%20R Click to add this user to your buddy list  
4. "PS"
In response to message #3
 
   Thanks, Catherine.


  Printer-friendly page | Top
Catherine

01-12-00, 12:14 PM (GMT)
Click to EMail Catherine Click to send private message to Catherine Click to view user profileClick to add this user to your buddy list  
5. "RE: PS"
In response to message #4
 
   Theorically, I think if continues like that, just the performance at the same dates that fledermaus could be cancelled. For sets in Jewels no importance. and for the moment no strike is previous for the 15, 16, 19, 20 and 26. All the other performances are at the same date that fledermaus and could be cancelled. i'm afraid that they cancel performances during the fest period but it's just my own opinion, it's not made and Jewels could be gift as usual because ballet has no interest at public eyes, they're more sensitive to lyrical strike than ballet. Unfortunaley, Ballet is not very fine considerated in France and the big strike are always on Lyric if they cancel two perfomance of ballet at the beginning of season it was because performance are gift in the same time than War and Peace. And Raymonda's and Giselle strike were for 35 hours weekly and it was dancer who were in strike. now it's fine for them.


  Printer-friendly page | Top
eugene merrett

01-12-00, 01:14 PM (GMT)
Click to EMail eugene%20merrett Click to send private message to eugene%20merrett Click to add this user to your buddy list  
6. "RE: PS"
In response to message #5
 
   Part of the problem is that the government is so directly in control of the POB that the striker can exert political pressure. Moreover the strikers know the government has unlimited resources can afford any strike demands. The result is a over staffed, feather bedded, cossetted company of overpaid and underworked performers and technicians which is costing the French taxpayers obscene amounts of money. And they do not miss any opporturnity - it too easy to endanger the Nutcraker the POBs cash cow! Even Sylvie Gulliem has commented on the easy life of the Parisian dancers!

I have often commented on the far too complex and dussy choreography of Nureyev. Perhaps it is because he is trying to ensure that all dancers get a chance to performed. A public works program! One of the fairy dances in his Sleeping Beauty Prelude has two fairies dancing (in unison)! That will make Arthur Scargill weap with joy!


  Printer-friendly page | Top
Estelle

01-12-00, 01:30 PM (GMT)
Click to EMail Estelle Click to send private message to Estelle Click to add this user to your buddy list  
7. "RE: PS"
In response to message #6
 
   Eugene, I think you're getting off-topic.

I don't know well about the technicians, but I think you exaggerate when saying that the dancers are "overpaid" and "underworked". Actually, the number of performances has
increased quite a lot in recent years, often the ballet performs two programs at the same time, one in Garnier and one in Bastille (for example within a few weeks "Casse-Noisette" and "Jewels", which both require a rather large corps de ballet). And recently there have been several problems of injuries among the dancers,
partly because some of the soloists had very busy schedules.
Moreover, the dancers are paid less than the musicians and the chorists (while their careers are shorter and they have fewer opportunities to earn money elsewhere: musicians often teach music classes). Personally, given the difficulty of the job, the shortness of the careers, and the very high level of selection, I don't find them "overpaid" at all. And they are not involved in the present strike: it's only some of the technicians who are on strike.

I'm not a fan of Nureyev's choreography, but I don't think
his style has anything to do with the wish to give roles to all dancers...

There are a lot of things I don't like in the way the POB works, but I don't think putting down all the people who work there and starting political discussions in this forum is very useful...


  Printer-friendly page | Top
Bruce Madmin

02-12-00, 07:14 AM (GMT)
Click to EMail Bruce%20M Click to send private message to Bruce%20M Click to view user profileClick to add this user to your buddy list  
12. "A rare bit of moderation!"
In response to message #7
 
   >Eugene, I think you're getting off-topic.
>

As I think most people know I very rarely moderate...

I don't think we should be afraid of seeing threads change and move on. Yes it would be nice to start new threads at times, but I would far rather see issues explored than curtailed because of a false feeling that once a thread is started it can only consider the one thing. I accept that etiquette may be different elsewhere.

It might well be that very complex issues are raised, and possibly by views some may disagree with, but that is no reason for them not to be explored - on the contrary it seems and even greater reason to explore them as fully as possible.

There are a couple of implications that immediately come to mind...

1) each individual post in a thread can have a different title and it might be useful to use that possibility a little more (as I have done here)

2) rummaging around in postings might best be done by using the search function rather than just looking at the original titles of threads.

I'll go back to lurking now!


  Printer-friendly page | Top
Pauline

01-12-00, 02:12 PM (GMT)
Click to EMail Pauline Click to send private message to Pauline Click to add this user to your buddy list  
8. "RE: PS"
In response to message #6
 
   I think that dancers'life can never be qualified as an easy one, whatever nationality they could belong to.

As far as government support is concerned, I think that such a tie is unfortunately often necessary to make a cultural organisation viable and to make possible artistic creations that may not match financial constraints. Otherwise we would have Nutcracker, Swan Lake and Sleeping Beauty during the whole season. I agree that nothing is perfect and everything have its pros and cons but at least the variety of POB's repertory allow this Company not to rely on "cash cows" only, partly thanks to public subventions. If Nureyev was so anxious to protect the "public" interest, he certainly would have not taken the risk to invite a completely unknown choregrapher several years ago, needless to mention his name.

But I don't want to open such a debate that is far too complex to be reduced to the criticism of some "lazy French civil servants".As Estelle said, it is completely off-topic.


  Printer-friendly page | Top
Kate R

01-12-00, 03:38 PM (GMT)
Click to EMail Kate%20R Click to send private message to Kate%20R Click to add this user to your buddy list  
9. "RE: PS"
In response to message #8
 
   I agree.


  Printer-friendly page | Top
Catherine

01-12-00, 04:56 PM (GMT)
Click to EMail Catherine Click to send private message to Catherine Click to view user profileClick to add this user to your buddy list  
10. "RE: PS"
In response to message #9
 
   Well done Estelle and Pauline !

What's the problem between strike and Nureyev production. Dancer are very bad-payed for all the work and all the performance they give, they have rehearsal six hours by day more 1h30 of lessons, six days a week. they dance the night and they are very bad payed for so wonderful artists.
the life of dancer are not easy, whatever you think. Judge what you know really.
Nureyev has also the merit to make dance everybody; corps de ballet and soloist.
the strike are made by lyrical technical and not at all by ballet technical.


  Printer-friendly page | Top
Robert

02-12-00, 01:49 AM (GMT)
Click to EMail Robert Click to send private message to Robert Click to view user profileClick to add this user to your buddy list  
11. "RE: POB Strikes"
In response to message #0
 
   After trying to see the POB twice this autumn and being frustrated by strikers both times I sympathise with Eugene. Something is seriously wrong in France and the cult of romantic socialism which needs a reaction other than sympathy. My fist attempt to visit Paris this year was stopped by French Railwaymen, this meant I lost three night's bookings for two people(no refunds!) On the second visit I was as it happens fortunately unable to book for the ballet and was not able to see the Opera(War and Peace) as there was a strike at the theatre. I did then get a refund but missed the oportunity of visiting the theatre in Paris. Fortunately the Art Galleries where not on strike, but next time ,who knows! Whatever you do do not think of visiting France just to see the Ballet or Opera, you are likely to be dissappointed.


  Printer-friendly page | Top
meunier

05-12-00, 02:09 PM (GMT)
Click to EMail meunier Click to send private message to meunier Click to add this user to your buddy list  
13. "RE: POB Strikes"
In response to message #11
 
   Want to bring this link up to the top again. I am going to see Jewels on 15 and 16 December, plus the two school performances. Has anyone heard if they are still, in fact, happening. If they aren't, I will cancel my travel tickets.

If you could help me, I'd be deeply appreciative.

Cheers, Bruce.


  Printer-friendly page | Top
Estelle

05-12-00, 02:16 PM (GMT)
Click to EMail Estelle Click to send private message to Estelle Click to add this user to your buddy list  
14. "RE: POB Strikes"
In response to message #13
 
   Hi Bruce,

there is some information on the official Paris Opera sitte, at:
http://www.opera-de-paris.fr/

However, it might not work depending on the browser you use (it uses some javascript stuff). The direct URL is:
http://www.opera-de-paris.fr/infos/comm/comm271100.html

But it only gives information about the programs of the evening (it's updated every day). I don't know how to get information about the performances of "Jewels" (I have tickets for Dec 15 too).


  Printer-friendly page | Top
Kate R

05-12-00, 02:22 PM (GMT)
Click to EMail Kate%20R Click to send private message to Kate%20R Click to add this user to your buddy list  
15. "RE: POB Strikes"
In response to message #14
 
   Me too.


  Printer-friendly page | Top

Conferences | Topics | Previous Topic | Next Topic

 
Questions or problems regarding this bulletin board should be directed to Bruce Marriott