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Charlotte

16-11-00, 09:36 PM (GMT)
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"Eleonora Abbagnato"
 
   I do not understand what poor Eleonora Abbagnato hat done to get so many negative and unfair comments. She is a young dancer quite a few people (including Clement Crisp in his recent review of the POB Forsythe programme) believe to be very gifted. Nutcracker will be her first leading part in a classical ballet and at least she deserves the benefit of a doubt until she has done it. The POB policy has always been to "push" promising young dancers (and the POB gets much criticism when it waits too long to test young dancers in demanding roles, as Nureyev used to do) and she is certainly one (admittedly not the only one) of the good dancers of her generation at POB today. So let's discuss the "Abbagnato case" after we have seen her Nutcracker.
And by the way I don't think the fact she is not French matters, nor that Sicily=mafia nor that the POB needs Carbone's father whatever his job is at La Scala.


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  Subject     Author     Message Date     ID  
  RE: Eleonora Abbagnato BTW56 16-11-00 1
     RE: Eleonora Abbagnato Serge 16-11-00 2
         RE: Eleonora Abbagnato Marie 16-11-00 3
             RE: Eleonora Abbagnato Catherine 17-11-00 4
                 RE: Eleonora Abbagnato Sarah 17-11-00 5
                     RE: Eleonora Abbagnato John 17-11-00 6
                         RE: Eleonora Abbagnato Estelle 17-11-00 7
                             RE: Eleonora Abbagnato Catherine 17-11-00 8
                             RE: Eleonora Abbagnato Estelle 17-11-00 9
                             RE: Eleonora Abbagnato Sarah 17-11-00 10
                             RE: Eleonora Abbagnato Catherine 21-11-00 11

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BTW56

16-11-00, 09:58 PM (GMT)
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1. "RE: Eleonora Abbagnato"
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   nor that
>Sicily=mafia

OF COURSE IT HAS SOMETHING TO DO WITH THAT ! I SUPPOSE YOU DON'T HER NOR HER FAMILY...



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Serge

16-11-00, 11:20 PM (GMT)
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2. "RE: Eleonora Abbagnato"
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   I think the main problem is that Abbagnato did not born in France. If she were French, you would glorified her. This is the case of Carbone, too. They are very talented dansers and the audience of POB like them.
Lifar and Nureyev were not French, do you remember???


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Marie

16-11-00, 11:50 PM (GMT)
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3. "RE: Eleonora Abbagnato"
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   Miss A is OK in neo-classical but not good in classical.


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Catherine

17-11-00, 00:37 AM (GMT)
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4. "RE: Eleonora Abbagnato"
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   LAST EDITED ON 17-11-00 AT 00:41 AM (GMT)

It's completely silly it's not because someone is not french birth that we don't love it. José MArtinez is spanish origin and it's with Bart my favourite dancer. Abbagnato is not italian for me she 's completely


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Sarah

17-11-00, 10:32 AM (GMT)
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5. "RE: Eleonora Abbagnato"
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   I don’t have written that Carbone was at the Opera because he is the son of the director: I just explained that it could allow POB to make more performances in Italia. OF COURSE HE IS A TALENTED DANCER, and I have already say that...

And about the not french birth dancers, we have Martinez and Belarbi and Pietragalla (who comes from Corse), etc... NOBODY SAID THAT WE DON’T LOVE THE NOT FRENCH BIRTH DANCERS!!!!

About Abbagnato: yes she is young, yes she is a pretty girl, yes she dances very well neo-classical ballets. But she will be a great dancer when she will manage to perform classical ballets as well as she does for neo-classical!
Of course she is young. But we were used to see the “futures Etoiles” with more technique at the same age (Dupont, Letestu...).
I also believe that it is a good thing to propulse young dancers!
I will see Abbagnato as Clara. And I think that Catherine and others will see her too. And I am sure that we will talk again about Abbagnato after her performances...


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John

17-11-00, 12:12 PM (GMT)
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6. "RE: Eleonora Abbagnato"
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   Ah bon.... La Corse a donc obtenu d'être indépendante.... Première nouvelle... Merci Sarah pour ce scoop


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Estelle

17-11-00, 05:51 PM (GMT)
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7. "RE: Eleonora Abbagnato"
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   Charlotte and Serge, I think that it's unfair to say that some people criticize Abbagnato only because she was not born in France. As Catherine wrote, Jose Martinez is Spanish, and yet most people praise him very much. Well, Sarah perhaps made a mistake in mentioning Pietragalla (Corsica is a part of France, and anyway if I remember correctly she was born in Paris), and Belarbi (who was born in France), but in the past there have been many non-French POB principals, like Tamara Toumanova (Russian), Youli Algaroff (Russian), Flemming Flinft (Danish), Marjorie Tallchief (American), Peter Van Dijk (German), and also French principals born abroad like Charles Jude (born in Vietnam) or Michael Denard (born in Germany). So I think it's excessive to accuse the French audience of xenophobia.


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Catherine

17-11-00, 05:56 PM (GMT)
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8. "RE: Eleonora Abbagnato"
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   Well done Estelle !
Too many dancer are foreigner as Parzen too and I find she's one of the best quadrille. I don't like too many Carbone but it's not because he's italian origin, I'm also italian origin, but I don't like this kind of dancer it seems to be like Belingard, a short dancer who could not all dance. And Belingard is well french.


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Estelle

17-11-00, 06:06 PM (GMT)
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9. "RE: Eleonora Abbagnato"
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   As a post-scriptum to my previous message: I am inclined to think that sometimes the *tone* of the negative comments about her was somewhat excessive, but I think that one reason why some people were very negative about her, and even agressive sometimes, is that she seems to be "pushed" so much by the direction, far more than most other "sujets", and they find that such a special treatment is not really deserved. Charlotte, you wrote "The POB policy has always been to "push" promising young dancers"- well, actually, it seems to have been less common in recent years, there are a lot of talented sujets who haven't been given real opportunities to shine (like Courtain, Duquenne, Daniel for example). So people might be a bit shocked to see that suddenly, Abbagnato is given many big roles at 20, and doesn't have to dance corps de ballet parts.

Myself, I haven't seen her often enough in big roles, to have a sure opinion about her, but when I saw her she didn't strike me as a really exceptional dancer, as some critics seem to think. And if she became an etoile now, I would find such a decision really premature and exaggerated.

A note about Catherine's last message: Catherine, you wrote
"Too many dancers are foreigners" (in French "trop de danseurs sont étrangers") but I think you meant "Many dancers are foreigners" ("beaucoup de danseurs sont étrangers").


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Sarah

17-11-00, 10:12 PM (GMT)
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10. "RE: Eleonora Abbagnato"
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   I agree with Estelle saying that given Eleonora Abbagnato the title of Etoile now would be too soon.
I think Estelle said exactly the right thing when she described the special treatment of Abbagnato.
Sorry for Corsica...


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Catherine

21-11-00, 12:22 PM (GMT)
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11. "RE: Eleonora Abbagnato"
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   One thing Abbagnato was at Varna competition two years ago and she was senior concurrent and she was not classified, she goes to the third round but win no prize, contrary at all the other year where we won a prize as Pujol, Letestu, Dupont, Vayer, Guillem and so on...
I think she was not really so brilliant technician, while competition are more based on technic than artistic and you always see the same variations Gamzatti, Tchaikovsky pdd, Esmeralda, Don Quichotte, Swan LAke and so on.
Just to say that Abbagnato wasn't a technical dancer, an artist so but not a technical and I think you immediatly have technic, you can progress but not have a wonderful technic as Letestu, Dupont or Pujol they have it since their beginning


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