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Patricia

16-11-00, 01:25 AM (GMT)
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"Music for Marguerite and Armand"
 
   Could ayone tell me which Liszt piece is the music for
this, I would love to get it...also does anyone know if
there is a CD of music from Manon? Thanks in anticipation.


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  Subject     Author     Message Date     ID  
  RE: Music for Marguerite and Armand Jim 16-11-00 1
     RE: Music for Marguerite and Armand Patricia 16-11-00 2
  RE: Music for Marguerite and Armand David Leonard 16-11-00 3
     RE: Music for MANON cf 16-11-00 4
         RE: Music for MANON Jim 16-11-00 5
             RE: Music for MANON Ann Williams 16-11-00 6
                 RE: Music for MANON Jim 16-11-00 7
                     RE: Music for MANON eugene merrett 16-11-00 8
                         RE: Music for MANON Susy 17-11-00 9
                             RE: Music for MANON Tomoko.A 19-11-00 10
                             RE: Music for MANON eugene 20-11-00 11

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Jim

16-11-00, 01:36 AM (GMT)
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1. "RE: Music for Marguerite and Armand"
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   >Could ayone tell me which Liszt piece is the music for
>this, I would love to get it...also does anyone know if
>there is a CD of music from Manon? Thanks in anticipation.

The music is Liszt's B minor piano sonata. I don't know offhand if there is a recording but I can find out tomorrow.

The music for Manon is an assemblage of various pieces from works by Massenet - I have a CD with two of them on but I don't know of a recording of the whole ballet score.



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Patricia

16-11-00, 01:45 AM (GMT)
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2. "RE: Music for Marguerite and Armand"
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   Jim....thank you for your prompt reply...I`m sure I would be able to get it on CD with other pieces...I thought it was so
beautiful, I`d love to have it to remind me of the ballet.
Thanks again,
Patricia


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David Leonard

16-11-00, 09:58 AM (GMT)
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3. "RE: Music for Marguerite and Armand"
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   >Could ayone tell me which Liszt
>piece is the music for
>
>this, I would love to get
>it...also does anyone know if
>
>there is a CD of music
>from Manon? Thanks in anticipation.
>


There are many recordings of the Sonata, but only in the original piano form, not the orchestrated versions.

Manon was available on CD in the 1980s, but the recording is no longer available.


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cf

16-11-00, 10:25 AM (GMT)
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4. "RE: Music for MANON"
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   I too would dearly love to get the Manon CD(ballet score), is there any info on the 1980 CD, just in case there might be a copy (somewhere)?


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Jim

16-11-00, 10:38 AM (GMT)
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5. "RE: Music for MANON"
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   >I too would dearly love to get the Manon CD(ballet score),
>is there any info on the 1980 CD, just in
>case there might be a copy (somewhere)?

Your best bet might be to simply buy the video and play the sound track through an extension speaker system. You can always look away if you don't want to watch it.....



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Ann Williams

16-11-00, 11:39 AM (GMT)
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6. "RE: Music for MANON"
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So many people want this Manon ballet music that it's baffling that we can't get it. Does anyone know the real reason why? The story I heard was that Massenet's estate objected because the ballet music was not the music that Massenet wrote for his opera 'Manon Lescaut', merely a compilation of lot of his other pieces.

If this is the real reason, the Massenets are shooting themselves in the foot; the ballet music is so popular that making the CD available can only enhance Massenet's reputation.


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Jim

16-11-00, 07:05 PM (GMT)
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7. "RE: Music for MANON"
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   >the ballet music is so popular that making the CD available can
>only enhance Massenet's reputation.

Not to mention the Royalties!



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eugene merrett

16-11-00, 08:50 PM (GMT)
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8. "RE: Music for MANON"
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   Massenet's family who still have copy right over his music have not allowed Lucas's arrangements to be distributed on CD anymore. I am afraid one has to either find someone who has a rare CD copy and and CD burner to make a copy or alternatively get Manon on DVD (the Australian ballet have released Manon on DVD and wideley available) and just listem to the music.

Also the RB Manon with Penny and Dowell is available on VHS.

Massenet reputation has risen considerably in the last few years with many recordings avaialble including Werther, his most famous opera done in English!! It is part of the revival of Romanticm in music which had in the past been rejected in favour of Boulez, Berio and modernist. Other composers like Vaughn Williams, Korngold and Walton are also enjoying a renaisance. Massenet whilst very succesful in his own time was eclipese by the new music of Debussy, Ravel etc and he died in 1919 (I think!) rather bitter at his loss of prestege. I personally think his music is sickly sweet and lightwight but occasionally colourful and atmospheric. He has been compared to Wagner by some but he is certainly no Wagner to me!!

If you want an introduction to his music then consider buying John Eliot Gardiner's Massenet anthology on Erato - it has all the well known stuff like Last Sleep of the Virgin, Meditation from Thais, etc.

Regarding Liszt Piano Sonato - there are many recordings available but the best value is Martha Argerich's one from her debut album on DG Orignal labelat mid price (actually not her debut album - she recorded an earlier recital for EMi but it was not released). As well as the sonata it has Hungarian Rhapsody, Chopin's Baccarolle and others. She is one the most exciting pianist alive and her performances are never short of thrilling. Try Brendel's recording for a more relaxed contemplative interpretation.


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Susy

17-11-00, 09:21 AM (GMT)
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9. "RE: Music for MANON"
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   I've heard about this comparison between Massenet and Wagner and I think it was raised talking about "Esclarmonde". This opera is quite a rarity due to the lack of sopranos able to sing the title role. Luckily Carlo Mayer is a lover of this opera and when he was AD in Turin he auditioned for months until he found Alexandrina Pendatchanska. I've seen the opera live but in Italy we had also the broadcasting on the radio.
Another happy experience of Massenet's work was Cherubin at CG with Graham, Bayo and Gheorghiu, but nothing to do with Wagner!


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Tomoko.A

19-11-00, 05:43 PM (GMT)
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10. "RE: Music for MANON"
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   Massenet is one of my favourite composers and I'm glad to hear what ballet co readers think of his works. I think he is underrated. Yes, his music might be sometimes too sweet and too romantic, but there are many dramatic and breathtaking works as well. As there aren't many recodrings of his works available in this country (in the world?), I was obsessed in searching them and I got a quite number of CDs, which cover the most of his music used for the ballet Manon. I was really excited when I got hold of a CD featuring a song called "Ouvre tes yeux bleus" which is the music for the bedroom pdd. This CD also features a song called "Elegie", which is used for the first pdd. These original songs are as beautiful as the orchestrated versions for the ballet. This CD is called "Massenet - French melodies,3 " and I bought it from Amazon. I think it it from Canada. The most recent recording I would recommend is "Thais" (Decca) featuring Renee Fleming and Thomas Hampson. And the fans of the glamour couple, Gheorghiu and Alagna must buy the new recording of "Manon" (EMI)! I just wish his music were performed live more often ! Can anyone tell me the Covent Garden's performance history of his operas ?


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eugene

20-11-00, 12:57 PM (GMT)
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11. "RE: Music for MANON"
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   The last Massenets opera done by CG was Churibin - an opera devoted to the much love character from the Marriage of Figaro.

It has an aria called Viva L'amour which is the main theme for opening scene for the ballet Manon.

Personally I thought the opera was awful!


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